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nicklmg

Are SSDs getting WORSE??

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That is the worst title I think I have ever seen from you guys.


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So did LTTs videos after they switched to clickbait thumbnails and titles, yet for some reason we still watch.

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Please stop making clickbait oversimplified titles!


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clickbait titles have been discussed on here many times before, but outright misleading titles? that's a new low guys.


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Just sad. LTT is shit now days


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7 minutes ago, nicklmg said:

Honest question - if you think we're shit why are you paying $3 a month to be a part of Floatplane?...

maybe he hopes you guys will stop making such formats and return to the old style if you are not dependent on the youtube algorithm.

 

Edit: But then again... I guess every content creator is youtube's bitch 


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Just now, nicklmg said:

Honest question - if you think we're shit why are you paying $3 a month to be a part of Floatplane?...

Because I support the forum and the idea of floatplane. I don't want the forum going anywhere and I feel as if $3, even if it's not directly covering forum upkeep costs, is more helpful than someone viewing a video that has adblock on or for a fraction of the video. I know Youtube has changed and it's not what it used to be but your sacrificing your image, legacy, and general audience for more or the same amount of money is questionable in the long run. It's the whole die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Channels like Marques and Dave2D, they don't post daily mind you, pull in a greater sub to view ratio and don't use clickbait to this extent. Dave has elegant thumbnails and not directly misleading titles. But he is only supporting one person rather than a company so it's not completely apples to apples. I guess I would rather see less videos that are higher quality and well thought out than filler with paid promotions. But if that means keeping the doors open and forum up I guess that's the way it is. 


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2 minutes ago, Nicnac said:

maybe he hopes you guys will stop making such formats and return to the old style if you are not dependent on the youtube algorithm.

 

Edit: But then again... I guess every content creator is youtube's bitch 

^^^^

You sort of have to follow it to make money but I see people who don't and that's why I say something. It's not really the best business model for the long run as it's going to change again and you only hurt yourself. 


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4 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

It's not really the best business model for the long run as it's going to change again and you only hurt yourself. 

They changed their format before and they'll change it again when the tides shift..


Here's a list of Discord servers, cause why not.

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On some level, cramming more flash cells into a fixed space (less material for the floating gate to hole charge) and moving on to more voltage levels lowers the tolerance for failure even more. Without something to mitigate that, SSDs would indeed be getting worse.

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2 minutes ago, lewdicrous said:

They changed their format before and they'll change it again when the tides shift..

It's more than the format. It's the content which is the problem. 


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3 minutes ago, Nicnac said:

maybe he hopes you guys will stop making such formats and return to the old style if you are not dependent on the youtube algorithm.

Certainly a possibility! I just found it interesting to see someone who was paying monthly to support us make such a sweeping negative statement. Came off as a bit contradictory to me at a glance.

1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

Because I support the forum and the idea of floatplane. I don't want the forum going anywhere and I feel as if $3, even if it's not directly covering forum upkeep costs, is more helpful than someone viewing a video that has adblock on or for a fraction of the video. I know Youtube has changed and it's not what it used to be but your sacrificing your image, legacy, and general audience for more or the same amount of money is questionable in the long run. It's the whole die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Channels like Marques and Dave2D, they don't post daily mind you, pull in a greater sub to view ratio and don't use clickbait to this extent. Dave has elegant thumbnails and not directly misleading titles. But he is only supporting one person rather than a company so it's not completely apples to apples. I guess I would rather see less videos that are higher quality and well thought out than filler with paid promotions. But if that means keeping the doors open and forum up I guess that's the way it is. 

Makes sense!

YouTube has changed
100%. And I think it's fair to say that we have also changed. We have a variety of voices involved in the creative process rather than just Linus (& Luke), we're broadening horizons in terms of content (not even necessarily by choice.. imagine trying to make a creative video every day solely focusing on PC hardware in 2018), and we have slightly adjusted goals in order to "feed the beast" of LTT. But I think we're doing an at least passable job of balancing what got us here and what is moving forward (though I know there are many people on this forum that would vehemently disagree with that).

 

Sacrificing your image/legacy

Can you clarify what you mean by that? Is it just the titles and thumbnails, or do you feel like the content is doing this?... And if you think the content is, can you provide a couple examples that are egregious examples to you?

 

Marques

Haha... well, I'll just say that there's only one Marques. He has a fantastic mix of accessibility and general consumer relevance that he as crafted over years (by honing in on very specific product categories and becoming the "go to guy" that many mainstream people have alluded to within content both on and off of YouTube) that has paid off in spades for him. He's an incredibly talented and intelligent guy, and yes he's certainly an outlier that is able to not just survive, but thrive without playing many of the YouTube games that others are forced into.

 

Dave2D

Dave is another interesting example. For subs:views ratio, it's not necessarily fair to make direct comparisons there. His channel was created 7 years after ours, meaning that each one of his subs is far more likely to be active and engaged with the content. And I think that Dave DOES play some of the games that we do eg. his Alienware video (title: "How Did ALIENWARE Do This?"). Compare that at 1 million views to his OP6T review at 600k (which is, in my opinion, a much more generally accessible video) and you can see how effective some of these tools can be for channels.

 

Anyway... it's always a balancing act. Maybe we haven't done the best job of balancing it recently (it's always tough in October-December... the amount of brand campaigns that come across our desks in this season is absolutely insane), but we do make a serious effort to ensure that we're providing good, entertaining, and informative content, while also doing what we have to as a business to ensure that we'll be here doing the same thing in 5+ years.

Thanks for supporting Floatplane, even if we don't always live up to your expectations. We do feel strongly that it's a big part of the future for us and many other creators, and every member seriously counts.


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Frankly, Linus has the same feelings about QLC that I do. It's fine for most consumers who aren't going to give it a workout. For enthusiasts like most of us, it won't cut the mustard. Also, it's Intel, which has been lagging in the SSD field. QLC's advantage is, primarily, lowering the price of SSDs enough to make them more affordable to more people. Overall, when compared apples to apples, SSDs have been getting better and more affordable.

 

Intel is claiming to be the first to come out with QLC but the only retailer I could find that listed one is Amazon and that was for a Marketplace vendor (it doesn't sell and ship from Amazon) who is selling from bulk packs with no warranty listed. Sketchy at best. Samsung is also claiming to be the first with QLC.

 

Frankly, I would trust Samsung's QLC SSDs more than I would Intel's, even though the Sammys will have only three years warranty than Intel's five year warranty. That said, QLC is not for me. I use TLC SSDs only in light usage situations and MLC for continuous use.


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4 minutes ago, hui said:

@nicklmg heads up, the chrono link is broken since you added a "!" at the end...which YT took to be part of the url. :)

Damnit @CPotter!!

 

Thx for the heads up, fixed now :) 


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4 minutes ago, nicklmg said:

Marques

Haha... well, I'll just say that there's only one Marques. He has a fantastic mix of accessibility and general consumer relevance that he as crafted over years (by honing in on very specific product categories and becoming the "go to guy" that many mainstream people have alluded to within content both on and off of YouTube) that has paid off in spades for him. He's an incredibly talented and intelligent guy, and yes he's certainly an outlier that is able to not just survive, but thrive without playing many of the YouTube games that others are forced into.

The problem with Marques is once Tesla is involved, he's like an absolute fan boy. 


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12 minutes ago, nicklmg said:

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Really the only issue I have with some of the titles is that they have started to go a bit too far in the click bait region. This one is just far too generic and just a tad bit exaggerated. Had it been like "Is this the FUTURE??" or something along those lines with the same content I think it would be fine. I would have like to have maybe some sort of comparison chart towards the end comparing what MLC, TLC, and QLC are. Perhaps cost, performance, lifespan, and density. TLC is pretty solid at all four, MLC is by far the most expensive but has higher theoretical performance and lifespan with lowest density, QLC has lower cost (not at the moment unless my memory is failing me but it should in the long run) with lowest performance and lifespan but could have much higher density. 

 

Unfortunately I don't believe this will be last time I will have an issue with the click bait but this is much more of a Youtube problem as pretty much all medium-large youtubers have gone hard in this direction. I assume floatplane has the same titles but it would be cool if they were more informative than Youtubes.

 

I will say this about the content. I do like that you guys have gotten a bit creative. What I really like is the more cheap/used hardware area. The $69/Upgrade videos were great. I would like to see this maybe continuing but with maybe server focus? Cheap servers for various uses is something a lot of use do with some spare money. Maybe an at home cloud server video (unless you've done this. Being around for so long makes some things more difficult.) or other related works. For example. For less than $500 you can get a dual socket 2011 Gigabyte server board with dual 10Gb ethernet, 2 8 core sandy (or Ivy mattering on price and clocks) Xeons, 64GB of ECC DDR3, and solid tower coolers. It would be a bit of a departure from all the super high end stuff while being a bit niche. Just an idea.


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17 minutes ago, nicklmg said:

Sacrificing your image/legacy

Can you clarify what you mean by that? Is it just the titles and thumbnails, or do you feel like the content is doing this?... And if you think the content is, can you provide a couple examples that are egregious examples to you?

So this is where it gets weird. In terms of production value it's pretty damn good. You have incorporated actors to portray ideas and metaphors, in the most recent acer video the b-roll after the intro paired with the music was very nice and added a quality feeling to introduce the product and let the viewer know it's time to dig in, and just the overall set design as improved vastly. The part that is sorta unconventional is how Youtube works compared to other ways of consuming media. In deciding to watch a movie I will most likely watch a trailer, see an actor I like, and look at it's name/movie poster. With youtube you don't get a preview. It's just based upon the title, name, and who's in it. It would seem like the thumbnail doesn't matter as the person will enjoy the high quality video once they start watching it but you need them to click the video. The videos feel as if the audience has shifted to younger or less educated in the tech realm. Those who just know SSDs are better than an HDD and that's it, see Linus is saying SSDs are bad and demand to know if this is true as it goes against the one thing they know. Someone who is highly investing in technology would be keeping track of the market and know that SSD technology has allowed higher capacities at the cost of performance but this is only a specific technology type and it doesn't apply to all SSDs. If the title was Intel 660P SSD review with a nice high resolution picture of the SSD in the thumbnail it would make me watch the video no questions asked even though I am not remotely interesting in buying it or have a need. I would just watch it to learn about it and become more educated with what's on the market. Seeing Linus make some crazy face with a clickbait title about SSDs I have no clue what's it's truly about. Based upon the title it seems like the whole market is scamming people or there's some massive scheme happening without people noticing. But it's just a review of the Intel 660P with Linus talking about the trade off of price, speed, and capacity. It boils down to I don't have to time to watch a video for 2-3 minutes trying to figure out what it's about. I will watch it because I specifically was searching for it. 


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