AMD Confirms All Ryzen CPUs are Overclockable + Not Just Octacore Available at Launch

[PianoPlayer88Key]

1 minute ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Why would you need so much RAM tho? I know 1 million pages of pornhub on google chrome would eat RAM like no tomorrow but the point still remains  

lol  You mean the 10 or so twitch streams, youtube videos, plus facebook, etc.  Some of the tabs i use take a GB or more each.

 

Also I'd like to be able to run multiple VMs (each of which would have CPU & memory-intensive tasks running), edit 4K video without having to use slower storage media as an editing scratch disk, etc.

 

Another thing I haven't seen in any current-generation boards is 7 full PCI-E x16 slots.  (I've seen 7 x16 on like LGA1155 or 1156 or maybe 1366, but 1150/1151/2011 seems to max out at 16/8/16/8/16/8/16.)  Also I almost never see 8 or more slots on a single board, other than server boards that cost more than most people's entire gaming computer setups, and yet 8 slots used to be the norm back in the AT / ISA days.

 

I  prefer to keep my motherboards a long time, adding capabilities via expansion cards or upgrading the CPU, rather than replacing the entire board. (It takes a lot of work to swap out a motherboard, I think it's worse than swapping out a PSU, and not quite as intensive as swapping out a case.)

Speaking of upgrading the CPU, on my next board, I want to be able to upgrade 3 or 4 years later to a new CPU that's 2x faster in IPC and has 2x the cores/threads, at the same cost I paid for the original CPU, then maybe a few years later upgrade again.  The way things currently are going, that's not possible.

[porina]

6 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

I just want to be able to install more than 4 sticks of RAM, without having to spend like $200-300+ for the equivalent of an LGA2011 enthusiast/server board.

At minimum, I'd like to be able to have 8, preferably 12 or 16, sticks of RAM, at least 32 or 64GB each.

Ryzen for now is very much a mainstream solution. 4 sticks is enough for most. Going to 8 probably requires going to high end. If you want more than 8, you're probably looking at multiple CPU anyway. I don't see why, if you can afford to get up to 1TB of ram if you work out 16 sticks of 64GB, you can't pay the relatively small amount extra for a workstation/server platform and be done with it. If you really need that quantity, even HEDT isn't going to cut it.

[Mr.Meerkat]

12 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Also I'd like to be able to run multiple VMs (each of which would have CPU & memory-intensive tasks running), edit 4K video without having to use slower storage media as an editing scratch disk, etc.

Fair enough  

 

12 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Another thing I haven't seen in any current-generation boards is 7 full PCI-E x16 slots.  (I've seen 7 x16 on like LGA1155 or 1156 or maybe 1366, but 1150/1151/2011 seems to max out at 16/8/16/8/16/8/16.)  Also I almost never see 8 or more slots on a single board, other than server boards that cost more than most people's entire gaming computer setups, and yet 8 slots used to be the norm back in the AT / ISA days.

Spoiler

There is at least one motherboard that has 7 full sized slots...

Also for there to be more than *8 PCIe slots, you'd no longer have an ATX motherboard...

 

12 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

I  prefer to keep my motherboards a long time, adding capabilities via expansion cards or upgrading the CPU, rather than replacing the entire board.

So you'd be happy with PCIe 2.0 slots, USB 2, Sata 3gbps, no m.2 slots? (I know you can just add expansion cards)

If you were to keep a motherboard for 4 years and then still be able to upgrade your CPU then you'd wouldn't have the newest IO where it may hinder your usage considerably...

[Valentyn]

3 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

I had also considered something like that, or a Cryorig R1, be quiet dark rock pro 3, etc.  But, I kind-of don't want a big heatsink hanging off my CPU when I move the computer around - I'd rather have the heatsink somewhere else if possible.  Also I'd prefer to install something that doesn't require a backplate, or so many steps to install that my 212 Evo required.  (Also being easier to remove it to reapply thermal paste than my current HSF would be good - I haven't repasted since I installed it 2 years ago.)

 

Just did a quick Aida64 test at stock (CPU+FPU+Cache+RAM), and CPU temps are in the 60s C, some cores being as low as 58, some as high as 72, but fluctuating in that range, mostly toward the upper end.  CPU speed is 4199 MHz, voltage is 1.186V.

 

Setting it to FPU-only stress test, temps immediately jump to the high 80s, flirting with 90°C, at 4.2 GHz, 1.186V.

 

The extra points of failure is a legitimate concern for an AIO, too.

Noctua for you then.

I change parts an awful lot, and the AIO's are pure hell compared to installing the noctua. Just two screws to hold the entire block down, and it barely weighs anything.

Yeah I've never seen my CPU go that high on the D15S.

This was my temps on the H110i GT with noctua Industrial fans at  4.3Ghz. Absolutely mental stuff.

 

 

 

Here's the Noctua, albeit at 300Mh less OC

 

At stock speeds with the D15S , the CPU didn't even go over 50.

 

[PianoPlayer88Key]

3 minutes ago, porina said:

Ryzen for now is very much a mainstream solution. 4 sticks is enough for most. Going to 8 probably requires going to high end. If you want more than 8, you're probably looking at multiple CPU anyway. I don't see why, if you can afford to get up to 1TB of ram if you work out 16 sticks of 64GB, you can't pay the relatively small amount extra for a workstation/server platform and be done with it. If you really need that quantity, even HEDT isn't going to cut it.

 

I wish the features/capabilities of high-end enthusiast/server platforms would trickle down to mainstream sooner, one of them being multiple-socket capability.  Servers have had dual-socket motherboards (and even quad) for like a long time now?  I just looked it up, and there's a 2006 release date for a 4x Socket 604 Supermicro motherboard, and a review of a 2-socket Pentium Pro board from 1997.  Isn't it about time, in 2017, to have multiple sockets on mainstream ATX boards?  Or have other formerly server-only features, like ECC RAM support, etc, come to mainstream?

[ShiftyFella]

54 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

To be fair, if the CPU performance is up there then I doubt people would even care about the 16X PCIe lanes or only having dual channel RAM assuming it's cheaper than HEDT chips  (not like 16X of PCIe lanes isn't enough or quad channel actually makes CPUs run any faster)

Users of 990fx boards might notice reduction of lanes, especially those like me, who bought amd system as cheaper alternative to x79\99, where you need cores, ecc and lanes for other stuff. I'm still salty that there is no word on ecc ram support, even cheap 760g boards had support for it. I've seen some quotes from MSI and Gigabyte reps that for launch they only target mainstream and midrange segments, with true enthusiast boards coming up later, I don't have link to them but I'm sure hope they're right and there will be boards with better lane setup.

[Mr.Meerkat]

1 minute ago, ShiftyFella said:

Users of 990fx boards might notice reduction of lanes, especially those like me, who bought amd system as cheaper alternative to x79\99, where you need cores, ecc and lanes for other stuff. I'm still salty that there is no word on ecc ram support, even cheap 760g boards had support for it. I've seen some quotes from MSI and Gigabyte reps that for launch they only target mainstream and midrange segments, with true enthusiast boards coming up later, I don't have link to them but I'm sure hope they're right and there will be boards with better lane setup.

Well even if the chipset/CPU only natively supported 16 PCIe lanes, they could always increase the cost of a motherboard massively and add chips that give it more PCIe lanes  

[Coaxialgamer]

12 hours ago, Humbug said:

hmm unfortunately in the CPU market what we saw years back is probably never gonna happen again without some revolution such as quantam computing etc. Cause you can't defy physics and theoretical limits etc. Probably zen will be AMD's last massive IPC jump, from here onwards incremental improvements... Like sandy bridge was for Intel.

a couple things :

-we won't be seeing quantum computers on the desktop , at least not for at least 30 years . 

-We can definitely make faster chips .Clocks might get a bump once we abandon silicon, and IPC still isn't done . Removing legacy instructions , and x86 bloat should help with that . Plus , the biggest problem with making faster chips today isn't that we can't make them . It's that we can't feed them data efficiently . If we could , then we would have 100+ core cpu's now , with low power cores ( that's essentially what gpus are , and they are computational beasts ).

 

Photonics should start being integrated into cpu's soon enough , providing large increases in serial computation, and hardware acceleration of workloads through Gpu's , asic's etc should also allow for performance boosts .

 

People start thinking that just because intel starts slowing down the rate of their performance improvements , that necessarily means performance increases are done for and that we'll only get 5% year to year improvements . Wrong .

Even when we can't use silicon any more ( which WILL be replaced , either by III-V materials , graphene or photonic etc ), there are still plenty of ways to improve performance without using more transistors ,  making them faster or using more power . That is done through better , smarter and more efficient architectural design , as well as better usage of existing resources through software .

I mean , look at what IBM is doing with POWER .

[porina]

6 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

lol  You mean the 10 or so twitch streams, youtube videos, plus facebook, etc.  Some of the tabs i use take a GB or more each.

You watch 10 streams at once? 

 

6 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Also I'd like to be able to run multiple VMs (each of which would have CPU & memory-intensive tasks running), edit 4K video without having to use slower storage media as an editing scratch disk, etc.

This sounds more like a user management problem, than a hardware one. Have you thought about running multiple systems rather than trying to shoehorn everything into a Linus-style overkill single one? It was reviewed previously by LTT, but there is software that can make multiple system desktops controllable from a single keyboard and mouse as if it were one system. 

 

6 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Another thing I haven't seen in any current-generation boards is 7 full PCI-E x16 slots.  (I've seen 7 x16 on like LGA1155 or 1156 or maybe 1366, but 1150/1151/2011 seems to max out at 16/8/16/8/16/8/16.)  Also I almost never see 8 or more slots on a single board, other than server boards that cost more than most people's entire gaming computer setups, and yet 8 slots used to be the norm back in the AT / ISA days.

Do you really need 7 or more 16x slots?

 

3 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

I wish the features/capabilities of high-end enthusiast/server platforms would trickle down to mainstream sooner, one of them being multiple-socket capability.  Servers have had dual-socket motherboards (and even quad) for like a long time now?  I just looked it up, and there's a 2006 release date for a 4x Socket 604 Supermicro motherboard, and a review of a 2-socket Pentium Pro board from 1997.  Isn't it about time, in 2017, to have multiple sockets on mainstream ATX boards?  Or have other formerly server-only features, like ECC RAM support, etc, come to mainstream?

Actually, if you go back far enough, dual socket boards were available in the consumer space. My first dual socket system used an Abit BP6 motherboard (apparently introduced 1999). Fitted with two 366 MHz Celeron. They could be bus overclocked to 550 MHz. Feel the power!

 

Where did they go? Multi-core killed the need for them to exist for the mainstream. A single socket remains more than enough, so going multiple socket will remain the realms for workstation and server spaces. For the stuff I do, I'd also love affordable multi-socket solutions (not stopping at 2). But I live in a niche that simply isn't big enough, so I have a choice. Multiple consumer systems, or go for an insane build. The first wins every time.

 

ECC is a reliability thing, and does add cost. My systems run compute tasks pretty much 24/7 during the cooler half of the year. Any errors will be detectable as work is verified. Even without ECC they simply don't produce errors as long as I'm not doing a stupid overclock or similar. Consumer land is cost conscious. Think "good enough".

[That Norwegian Guy]

13 hours ago, Droidbot said:

please have itx mobos with decent power delivery

please have itx mobos with decent power delivery

 

Doubtful, if you have ever seen AsRock's X99 mini-ITX board, you'd know that they had to use the server cooler mount socket, and AMD's cooler mount has bigger diagonal measurement. Same reason why AM3 doesn't have ITX. We can hope, but unlikely. IF it happens, you'll either get very little SATA and no NVME/ M.2, and probably a weak VRM and *horror* SO-DIMM slots

[PianoPlayer88Key]

6 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Fair enough  

 

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There is at least one motherboard that has 7 full sized slots...

Also for there to be more than 7 PCIe slots, you'd no longer have an ATX motherboard...

 

So you'd be happy with PCIe 2.0 slots, USB 2, Sata 3gbps, no m.2 slots? (I know you can just add expansion cards)

If you were to keep a motherboard for 4 years and then still be able to upgrade your CPU then you'd wouldn't have the newest IO where it may hinder your usage considerably...

That board has 7 physical slots, but if you look at the electrical contacts from the backside (thanks Newegg, but why do you keep having to ask if I'm a robot? Is opening dozens of tabs in a few seconds too much for you?  That goes for you too, pcpartpicker.)...

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For comparison, check out this EVGA Classified SR-X dual LGA2011 board...

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Or what about the Supermicro 4028GR-TRT2?  (Okay, so that's not mainstream.)

 

 

5 minutes ago, Valentyn said:

Noctua for you then.

I change parts an awful lot, and the AIO's are pure hell compared to installing the noctua. Just two screws to hold the entire block down, and it barely weighs anything.

Yeah I've never seen my CPU go that high on the D15S.

This was my temps on the H110i GT with noctua Industrial fans at  4.3Ghz. Absolutely mental stuff.

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Here's the Noctua, albeit at 300Mh less OC

 

At stock speeds with the D15S , the CPU didn't even go over 50.

 

Wow, i wouldn't have expected an AIO to run that hot!  I would have thought something like that would run at like 50-60°C tops, unless you had bad thermal paste application, terrible case airflow (like an off-the-shelf pre-built PC, were running Prime95 small FFT, etc, which I don't believe you were doing/using any of those.

 

The D15s hardly weighs anything?  I'm still a bit concerned though.  I've read warnings in various forums about it being risky to transport a computer with a large heatsink installed, something about physically stressing the motherboard, maybe even breaking it in extreme cases.

[Morgan Everett]

1 minute ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

That board has 7 physical slots, but if you look at the electrical contacts from the backside (thanks Newegg, but why do you keep having to ask if I'm a robot? Is opening dozens of tabs in a few seconds too much for you?  That goes for you too, pcpartpicker.)...

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For comparison, check out this EVGA Classified SR-X dual LGA2011 board...

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Or what about the Supermicro 4028GR-TRT2?  (Okay, so that's not mainstream.)

 

 

Wow, i wouldn't have expected an AIO to run that hot!  I would have thought something like that would run at like 50-60°C tops, unless you had bad thermal paste application, terrible case airflow (like an off-the-shelf pre-built PC, were running Prime95 small FFT, etc, which I don't believe you were doing/using any of those.

 

The D15s hardly weighs anything?  I'm still a bit concerned though.  I've read warnings in various forums about it being risky to transport a computer with a large heatsink installed, something about physically stressing the motherboard, maybe even breaking it in extreme cases.

In online reviews, the H110i wins, albeit narrowly. I'm opting for one, over the Noctua, in my upcoming build. 

[Mr.Meerkat]

2 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

but if you look at the electrical contacts from the backside

Please explain to me a situation where if you're only using consumer grade hardware, you'd need anything more than a 8X slot?

 

3 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

EVGA Classified SR-X dual LGA2011 board

Kek, try fitting that into a fractal design define S, oh wait you can't? Well that's a shame isn't it? (so much for consumer grade stuff when it's technically a workstation grade motherboard with dual CPU sockets and more importantly, the C606 chipset)

[porina]

6 minutes ago, That Norwegian Guy said:

Doubtful, if you have ever seen AsRock's X99 mini-ITX board, you'd know that they had to use the server cooler mount socket, and AMD's cooler mount has bigger width. Same reason why AM3 doesn't have ITX. We can hope, but unlikely. IF it happens, you'll either get very little SATA and no NVME/ M.2, and probably a weak VRM and *horror* SO-DIMM slots

I think I will shortly have to hunt some images and try to compare them in photoshop... unless anyone else has done that already? Maybe I should check that first... I was kinda hoping for an OC-able ITX Ryzen board myself, perhaps paired with a quad as opposed to the octacore to take some power and heat load off...

 

I'm thinking though, Ryzen 8C is 95W rated TDP right? That's not far different from a 6700k which people have managed to overclock well in mini-ITX form factor.

[Valentyn]

21 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Wow, i wouldn't have expected an AIO to run that hot!  I would have thought something like that would run at like 50-60°C tops, unless you had bad thermal paste application, terrible case airflow (like an off-the-shelf pre-built PC, were running Prime95 small FFT, etc, which I don't believe you were doing/using any of those.

 

The D15s hardly weighs anything?  I'm still a bit concerned though.  I've read warnings in various forums about it being risky to transport a computer with a large heatsink installed, something about physically stressing the motherboard, maybe even breaking it in extreme cases.

Yup, not only was the H110i GT pretty meh with cooling, but it was noisy as hell, and expensive.

I used the stock Corsair paste, Arctic Silver 5, and Thermal Grizzly with it, and while the latter was the best; it didn't help enough when I truly stressed the system.
With the Noctua I simply used the noctua tube that came with it, NT H1 and it's been brilliant.

You shouldn't have issues at all transporting the system with that heatsink at all. Unless of course you're going off road, or drive really silly nilly and rock the car and chassis a lot.
I'd be more concerned about air bubbles in the AIO from rough driving, than the heatsink somehow ripping out of the motherboard. That's happened to me before, and it's a mess. You need to remove the AIO and shake it with the fury of an angry stockbrokering woman to get that trapped air loose.

Having use it all, from custom expensive loops, stock coolers, cheap air, and premium AIOs, I simply won't move away from a decent air cooler again.
Significantly less hassle, cheaper, quieter, and rivals top AIO's for cooling.

When it does lose to an AIO, it'll still be significantly cheaper, and quieter in the end.

The loudest part in my system in my Fury X's fan and pump, followed by my external Raid arrays. Compared to the Noctua running at 865rpm on average, and maxing at 1125rpm.

[PianoPlayer88Key]

12 minutes ago, porina said:

You watch 10 streams at once? 

I used to have 20 or more streams playing at once, with 2 or 3 unmuted, but for some reason it's not working properly.  (I wonder if a recent windows update messed it up, or maybe something happened with Chrome or ghostery or ublock origin or something.)  When I start a 2nd stream, the 1st stream stops running.

12 minutes ago, porina said:

 

This sounds more like a user management problem, than a hardware one. Have you thought about running multiple systems rather than trying to shoehorn everything into a Linus-style overkill single one? It was reviewed previously by LTT, but there is software that can make multiple system desktops controllable from a single keyboard and mouse as if it were one system. 

There is this thing called "insufficient physical space".

12 minutes ago, porina said:

 

Do you really need 7 or more 16x slots?

Right now, no, but if I eventually wanted to have 2 GPUs, multiple 4-slot M.2 NVMe SSD expansion if it'd ever exist, a dedicated sound card for audio production, more USB/SATA ports, etc, having that expandability would be nice.

12 minutes ago, porina said:

 

Actually, if you go back far enough, dual socket boards were available in the consumer space. My first dual socket system used an Abit BP6 motherboard (apparently introduced 1999). Fitted with two 366 MHz Celeron. They could be bus overclocked to 550 MHz. Feel the power!

I think I'd forgotten about that.  How expensive were they at the time?  (I'm guessing it was somewhere north of $300 for the board plus two CPUs.)

12 minutes ago, porina said:

 

Where did they go? Multi-core killed the need for them to exist for the mainstream. A single socket remains more than enough, so going multiple socket will remain the realms for workstation and server spaces. For the stuff I do, I'd also love affordable multi-socket solutions (not stopping at 2). But I live in a niche that simply isn't big enough, so I have a choice. Multiple consumer systems, or go for an insane build. The first wins every time.

If physical space wasn't an issue, nor power consumption, multiple mainstream systems would definitely be something I'd probably do.  (And right now finances is under consideration.  As a side note, I'm wanting to build a backup solution for all these hard drives (including the not-pictured ones that are in the info part of the post, but not including the dead 80GB drive), but spending more than $100-150 on the case+PSU+board+CPU+OS (if I go Unraid instead of FreeNAS) +RAM, etc, or $350-500 total including the storage media, whether HDDs, or tape backup, would be a bit of a financial burden right now.)

12 minutes ago, porina said:

 

ECC is a reliability thing, and does add cost. My systems run compute tasks pretty much 24/7 during the cooler half of the year. Any errors will be detectable as work is verified. Even without ECC they simply don't produce errors as long as I'm not doing a stupid overclock or similar. Consumer land is cost conscious. Think "good enough".

"Cooler half of the year" - that reminds me.  Hopefully I can move soon to a place that has A/C, but for now, this place routinely gets to 80-85°F indoors in summer.  I've seen near 90° a few times in the last few years, and I think it's even hit or exceeded 100-105°F a few times in my life, indoors!  That might affect my ability to get a 5+ GHz OC on my 4790K with the likes of a D15S, would it?  If I could get 6 GHz without using LN2, so I could get the 3DMark steam 50% OC achievement, that'd be nice, but at minimum I'd like the same percentage OC that a typical G3258 or 2500K can do, with a similar or slightly better cooling solution.  (And, at least 4 GHz base clock at stock or 180-200 points in cinebench R15 single-thread, if I have to get a different CPU to do it.)

 

Am I being over paranoid on the idea of not using ECC RAM if I use FreeNAS to build a NAS?  (I mentioned wanting to build a backup solution above.)

14 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Please explain to me a situation where if you're only using consumer grade hardware, you'd need anything more than a 8X slot?

Right now, no, but as I said earlier, I like to be able to expand on an existing board.  If it was as easy to swap out a motherboard while keeping the rest of components as it is easy to swap out an NVMe SSD, video card, etc, then I'd be okay with swapping motherboards every couple years or so.

14 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

 

Kek, try fitting that into a fractal design define S, oh wait you can't? Well that's a shame isn't it? (so much for consumer grade stuff when it's technically a workstation grade motherboard with dual CPU sockets and more importantly, the C606 chipset)

What about a Define XL?  (Oh wait, isn't that an HPTX board?)

[RGProductions]

5 hours ago, Majestic said:

This was never any different with AMD. The problem with overclocking on the AMD platform was the required knowledge when selecting a platform and no QC.

I guess I should've mentioned that, but now it will be in a competitive CPU!

[Mr.Meerkat]

3 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

What about a Define XL?  (Oh wait, isn't that an HPTX board?)

Quite the mid tower you know  

 

3 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Right now, no, but as I said earlier, I like to be able to expand on an existing board.  If it was as easy to swap out a motherboard while keeping the rest of components as it is easy to swap out an NVMe SSD, video card, etc, then I'd be okay with swapping motherboards every couple years or so.

And as I said before, you like using outdated IO right? I know how you can just add in cards but that can cost a lot and take a lot of time to find the correct drivers so...

[captain cactus]

27 minutes ago, That Norwegian Guy said:

Doubtful, if you have ever seen AsRock's X99 mini-ITX board, you'd know that they had to use the server cooler mount socket, and AMD's cooler mount has bigger diagonal measurement. Same reason why AM3 doesn't have ITX. We can hope, but unlikely. IF it happens, you'll either get very little SATA and no NVME/ M.2, and probably a weak VRM and *horror* SO-DIMM slots

Well, that and the fact there wasn't any room on an ITX sized board for a north- and southbridge next to the huge AM3+ socket.

 

AMD has outlined one chipset for SFF builds that support overclocking, so at least some boards with a half-decent VRM will come out, otherwise AMD and the mobo makers will get a lot of crap thrown their way for busted VRMs caused by a mild overclock on one of the lower-end or mid-range (so the 4 and 6 core) Ryzen CPUs. Remember, the X300 chipset already has less connectivity than its big brother (X370) due to it being a smaller physical size. No USB 3 gen 2, about the same SATA ports as a B350 board (which is still 4 which is more than enough for any normal mainstream build), but still with NVMe and the likes. Plentiful for any mainstream build with one (NVMe) SSD and one mass storage drive.

[That Norwegian Guy]

31 minutes ago, porina said:

I think I will shortly have to hunt some images and try to compare them in photoshop... unless anyone else has done that already? Maybe I should check that first... I was kinda hoping for an OC-able ITX Ryzen board myself, perhaps paired with a quad as opposed to the octacore to take some power and heat load off...

 

I'm thinking though, Ryzen 8C is 95W rated TDP right? That's not far different from a 6700k which people have managed to overclock well in mini-ITX form factor.

 

The AM sockets are smaller, but the cooler mount is bigger. The X99 server mount is longer, but narrower. Problem with AM3/ AM4 cooler mounting is it's basically quadratic.

 

Also, don't forget that ITX and BTX are the only motherboard standards that were actually developed by Intel, so there might be some licensing that lowers incentive for AMD to rework the socket/ mount to conform to it to begin with. That's speculation though.

Edit: Nope, that was VIA, two blue logos get me confused  (BTX is still Intel)

[PianoPlayer88Key]

19 minutes ago, Valentyn said:

Yup, not only was the H110i GT pretty meh with cooling, but it was noisy as hell, and expensive.

I used the stock Corsair paste, Arctic Silver 5, and Thermal Grizzly with it, and while the latter was the best; it didn't help enough when I truly stressed the system.
With the Noctua I simply used the noctua tube that came with it, NT H1 and it's been brilliant.

You shouldn't have issues at all transporting the system with that heatsink at all. Unless of course you're going off road, or drive really silly nilly and rock the car and chassis a lot.
I'd be more concerned about air bubbles in the AIO from rough driving, than the heatsink somehow ripping out of the motherboard. That's happened to me before, and it's a mess. You need to remove the AIO and shake it with the fury of an angry stockbrokering woman to get that trapped air loose.

Having use it all, from custom expensive loops, stock coolers, cheap air, and premium AIOs, I simply won't move away from a decent air cooler again.
Significantly less hassle, cheaper, quieter, and rivals top AIO's for cooling.

When it does lose to an AIO, it'll still be significantly cheaper, and quieter in the end.

The loudest part in my system in my Fury X's fan and pump, followed by my external Raid arrays. Compared to the Noctua running at 865rpm on average, and maxing at 1125rpm.

Ahh.  I got some NT-H1, am using it on my laptop's 6700K (which I'm typing on right now).

 

Well I don't exactly drive like my dad or a grandma.  If a curve says 25mph, I might take it at 35 or 40.  I've taken 50mph curves at 75-80 sometimes, and if the CHP aren't looking, have a couple times hit the 115mph electronic limiter on the interstate in my '02 Civic LX.

 

Right now my system overall is quite loud, even at idle.  (I'm getting to think the Rosewill Thor V2 wasn't the case I should have gotten.)  I want to be able to record music on my piano without computer noises getting into it at all, and being able to run something like Unigine Valley at the same time, similar to the video in the spoiler.  (The microphone was mounted under the piano keyboard, between my knees.)

Spoiler

 

 

 

And, in the next spoiler, you can see how close my desktop PC is to my other piano.

 

 

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https://goo.gl/photos/4Fptg4txLDtXJSfU7

 

 

Mic is mounted in the same place on the piano as in the other music video.

[PianoPlayer88Key]

 

29 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Quite the mid tower you know  

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And as I said before, you like using outdated IO right? I know how you can just add in cards but that can cost a lot and take a lot of time to find the correct drivers so...

No, I like to be able to upgrade my I/O without having to change the entire motherboard, unless it's been a long time (for example, my Corsair AX760 warranty has expired, or the warranty on a high-end EVGA PSU.)  I'm thinking, once I need more than x16 PCI-E 3.0 (or whatever generation my then-board has) lanes for a single card, that's another reason to upgrade.  That, or an entirely new CPU architecture (not Broadwell -> Skylake, but more like Nehalem -> Core, or Tigerlake -> the next one on the Intel side.)

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1 minute ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

 I'm thinking, once I need more than x16 PCI-E 3.0 (or whatever generation my then-board has) lanes for a single card, that's another reason to upgrade.  That, or an entirely new CPU architecture (not Broadwell -> Skylake, but more like Nehalem -> Core, or Tigerlake -> the next one on the Intel side.)

As you're talking about PCIe lanes (for expansion), on Intel's side, it's on the CPU so even if you changed out the mother from something like a p67 to a z270, you won't have any more PCIe lanes for expansion cards.

 

5 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

I like to be able to upgrade my I/O without having to change the entire motherboard

So you like buying add in cards for new I/O eh? Don't worry, there's a reason why native I/O is usually recommended over expansion card I/O  

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1 minute ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

As you're talking about PCIe lanes (for expansion), on Intel's side, it's on the CPU so even if you changed out the mother from something like a p67 to a z270, you won't have any more PCIe lanes for expansion cards.

 

So you like buying add in cards for new I/O eh? Don't worry, there's a reason why native I/O is usually recommended over expansion card I/O  

I'm also wondering if it's maybe a bit harder than I want to admit to get rid of some of my old ideas / habits from when I was first exposed to PCs in the late 1980s.

 

I still don't like changing motherboards often, though, at least when I'm working on my own personal PC.  (If I was in business building/repairing computers and being paid to do it routinely, that'd be different, but right now I'm not in business doing that.)

 

Generally, the more tedious it is to swap out a single part while retaining everything else, or the more a single part costs, the longer I like to keep it.

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1 minute ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Generally, the more tedious it is to swap out a single part while retaining everything else, or the more a single part costs, the longer I like to keep it.

So you like retaining CPUs and GPUs the most eh?  

 

To be fair, when you're switching your motherboard, you can keep everything but the CPU and possibly RAM if you're still on DDR3 ram so...