AMD Confirms All Ryzen CPUs are Overclockable + Not Just Octacore Available at Launch

[AlTech]

1 minute ago, grimreeper132 said:

That is the only thing here I am not happy about, AMD is still wanting to leave it ages between launches, meaning intel will easily sneak ahead, again, leaving AMD with bad CPUs that aren't worth the money, again (compared with intel) for at least 2 years (estimation here, I know nothing for definete about this, so am just assuming due to past performance)

What they mean to say is that Ryzen will be launched in 2017 but they will not come out with a brand new architecture until 2021.

 

They will provide tweaks and optimized micro-architectures with new fabrication processes during that time period.

[grimreeper132]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

What they mean to say is that Ryzen will be launched in 2017 but they will not come out with a brand new architecture until 2021.

 

They will provide tweaks and optimized micro-architectures with new fabrication processes during that time period.

oh ok, I truly hope that's the case

[AxelRantila]

I still want to see proper independent benchmarks of Ryzen. So far basically the only thing we have is hype from AMD

 

I also have to say one things with regards to what is shown here (at 2:50). Dota2 has some issues ever since version 7.00 was released and I really think that Valve should have kept it in the test client for an extra month or two. Not to diss AMDs demo, but Dota2 in it's current state is not the game to use to convince me with

[captain cactus]

1 hour ago, grimreeper132 said:

oh ok, I truly hope that's the case

AMD doesn't want another FX on their hand. They've learned from that. Besides, there's a proces node change coming (14nm -> 7nm), so we'll have a nice performance increase/power usage decrease in that regard.

[Humbug]

3 hours ago, grimreeper132 said:

oh ok, I truly hope that's the case

It is. Don't worry they will keep modernizing their architecture and releasing new models. In fact Zen+ is already confirmed.

 

Ryzen was a fresh start ground up redesign. Going forward in their annual releases it is not reasonable to expect them to keep reinventing the wheel each time. In fact it would be foolish and pointless, they would go bankrupt. Intel too keeps tweaking Sandy Bridge --> Ivy Bridge --> Haswell etc...

 

 

Going by that image we are now getting a sudden 40% IPC boost in the jump from excavator to Zen. Whereas going forward in the next model it will be more like 10-15% with each release.

 

[captain cactus]

5 minutes ago, Humbug said:

It is. Don't worry they will keep modernizing their architecture and releasing new models. In fact Zen+ is already confirmed.

 

Ryzen was a fresh start ground up redesign. Going forward in their annual releases it is not reasonable to expect them to keep reinventing the wheel each time. In fact it would be foolish and pointless, they would go bankrupt. Intel too keeps tweaking Sandy Bridge --> Ivy Bridge --> Haswell etc...

 

 

Going by that image we are now getting a sudden 40% IPC boost in the jump from excavator to Zen. Whereas going forward in the next model it will be more like 10-15% with each release.

 

Not just that, I'm pretty sure they've already started on the next ground-up design for the days after Zen since it takes years to get a design on paper and then onto silicon, if by that time we even still use silicon (probably not).

[Humbug]

1 minute ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

Not just that, I'm pretty sure they've already started on the next ground-up design for the days after Zen since it takes years to get a design on paper and then onto silicon, if by that time we even still use silicon (probably not).

Well yes they probably have laid out a high level idea... it must be early stages though since it is only expected in 2021.

[Princess Luna]

2 minutes ago, Humbug said:

Well yes they probably have laid out a high level idea... it must be early stages though since it is only expected in 2021.

Nonetheless I would hope that by 2021 there would already be rumors about the retirement of silicon and a new material being used to increase performance. I very much believe that we have reached silicon limit and from either AMD or Intel until they do change to something else all new architectures wont be anything more than just polishing and optimizations without true jumps in performance.

[grimreeper132]

13 minutes ago, Humbug said:

It is. Don't worry they will keep modernizing their architecture and releasing new models. In fact Zen+ is already confirmed.

 

Ryzen was a fresh start ground up redesign. Going forward in their annual releases it is not reasonable to expect them to keep reinventing the wheel each time. In fact it would be foolish and pointless, they would go bankrupt. Intel too keeps tweaking Sandy Bridge --> Ivy Bridge --> Haswell etc...

 

 

Going by that image we are now getting a sudden 40% IPC boost in the jump from excavator to Zen. Whereas going forward in the next model it will be more like 10-15% with each release.

 

Thank fuck, as it was a bit of a worry that they would go giving us a brand new and hopefully brilliant CPU line up, only to then not touch the CPU market for several years, again, meaning intel has no competition again, so that the only innovation coming out is a tiny boost to base clock speeds, which I don't know why, but that sounds somewhat familiar to a certain CPU line up, which I can't think of the name of, mmmm

[XenosTech]

Wonder if anyone watched this vid and is still skeptical about ryzen (saying that the blender test was skewed in AMD's favour)

[grimreeper132]

1 minute ago, XenosTech said:

Wonder if anyone watched this vid and is still skeptical about ryzen (saying that the blender test was skewed in AMD's favour)

I'm not skeptical, I just don't have 100% faith in AMD, and still feel like they can screw up and make a mess to it somehow, pricing for example, so yea, I can see they are good cpus, but I can still see it going badly somehow

[XenosTech]

1 minute ago, grimreeper132 said:

I'm not skeptical, I just don't have 100% faith in AMD, and still feel like they can screw up and make a mess to it somehow, pricing for example, so yea, I can see they are good cpus, but I can still see it going badly somehow

Well every company is prone to fucking up (EVGA FTW cards) but not all fuck ups are treated equal even though it could have been avoided

[Noyu]

On 1/7/2017 at 11:59 AM, Droidbot said:

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[AxelRantila]

8 minutes ago, XenosTech said:

Wonder if anyone watched this vid and is still skeptical about ryzen (saying that the blender test was skewed in AMD's favour)

I'm not skeptical, I just want proper independent benchmarks and not just hype from AMD. And with regards to the second benchmark in that video, I just personally don't think Dota2 in it's current state is a good game of trying to convince me with. Just about any other game would have worked for me.

[grimreeper132]

1 minute ago, XenosTech said:

Well every company is prone to fucking up (EVGA FTW cards) but not all fuck ups are treated equal even though it could have been avoided

yea, it the possible fuck up that I'm waiting for, which is not a something I want them to do but I can see them doing it. That being said if they do come out and are good I am considering getting one for my new rig I'm planning to make this summer.

[XenosTech]

1 minute ago, grimreeper132 said:

yea, it the possible fuck up that I'm waiting for, which is not a something I want them to do but I can see them doing it. That being said if they do come out and are good I am considering getting one for my new rig I'm planning to make this summer.

Most things are pointing to they're good cpu's, I'm just waiting on reviews and pricing before I build another system... This one I have now is barely 3 months old

[XenosTech]

5 minutes ago, AxelRantila said:

I'm not skeptical, I just want proper independent benchmarks and not just hype from AMD. And with regards to the second benchmark in that video, I just personally don't think Dota2 in it's current state is a good game of trying to convince me with. Just about any other game would have worked for me.

Dota 2 was just used for a streaming test, bf1 was on demo too and on twitch you'll probably find more CS:GO, LoL, Dota and Overwatch streamers than triple A titles

[grimreeper132]

Just now, XenosTech said:

Most things are pointing to they're good cpu's, I'm just waiting on reviews and pricing before I build another system... This one I have now is barely 3 months old

yea, I have a year and a half year old PC, which is a i5 4590, with a R9 380, which is showing it's age when i'm using it, especially when I use CAD or game and do a hundred things at once, so I need a new one. And yea they look like good CPUs but I have a feeling pricing will be the most important factor as if it's good then the CPUs price to performance will be good hopefully meanign AMD starts making money and so has the funds available due to innovate further.

[XenosTech]

2 minutes ago, grimreeper132 said:

yea, I have a year and a half year old PC, which is a i5 4590, with a R9 380, which is showing it's age when i'm using it, especially when I use CAD or game and do a hundred things at once, so I need a new one. And yea they look like good CPUs but I have a feeling pricing will be the most important factor as if it's good then the CPUs price to performance will be good hopefully meanign AMD starts making money and so has the funds available due to innovate further.

Hope Vega is good also... Need the market to shake up so I have options when buying stuff and not forced to buy from one brand for every build I'm doing for myself or someone.

[grimreeper132]

5 minutes ago, XenosTech said:

Hope Vega is good also... Need the market to shake up so I have options when buying stuff and not forced to buy from one brand for every build I'm doing for myself or someone.

I will base my hopes on Vega on AMDs Ryzen, as if they make a mess of Ryzen somehow, I will have no faith in them for Vega, but if they don't make a mess of Ryzen, then some of my faith in them might return and so I will maybe look into Vega hoping it will be good, only reason I got the R9 380 was because money reasons and it was the best I could afford, but yea, current plans for the new one is a intel hex core (or octa core if Ryzen CPU is well/similarly priced) and a 1080/1080ti (1080ti if I can afford it and it's out by then)

[porina]

44 minutes ago, XenosTech said:

Wonder if anyone watched this vid and is still skeptical about ryzen (saying that the blender test was skewed in AMD's favour)

It isn't bad to be sceptical. We still don't know how it performs under most conditions, and wont do until samples get to reviewers and they bench it to death. Then we wait for it to get to users, and bench it some more in less common use cases.

 

I'm itching for it to ship and will give AMD my money just to find out what it does, good or bad. Should be fun finding out.

[Humbug]

1 hour ago, grimreeper132 said:

I will base my hopes on Vega on AMDs Ryzen, as if they make a mess of Ryzen somehow, I will have no faith in them for Vega, but if they don't make a mess of Ryzen, then some of my faith in them might return and so I will maybe look into Vega hoping it will be good

Why?

The Radeon Technology Group GPU guys are separate from the CPU guys.

[SOCOM_HERO]

Very much looking forward to the reviews and Intel comparisons. Not a fanboy of either manufacturer, but want to see some price competitive action happen in the industry as everything has been getting more and more expensive!

[Mihle]

9 hours ago, SOCOM_HERO said:

Very much looking forward to the reviews and Intel comparisons. Not a fanboy of either manufacturer, but want to see some price competitive action happen in the industry as everything has been getting more and more expensive!

Lets hope AMD set their prices lower than Intel compared to performance.
Then consumers will win no matter if Intel follow with lowering prices or not.

[grimreeper132]

22 hours ago, Humbug said:

Why?

The Radeon Technology Group GPU guys are separate from the CPU guys.

I know that but well I just don't have faith in AMD as a despite having been big players in high end GPU and CPU markets they seam to shrunk down to the value end rather than performance end and I just feel like that there track record isn't great so I have little faith in them, same with intel to be honest after kaby lake