Are Internet Router Waves Dangerous?

[manikyath]

Just now, AshleyAshes said:

Placebo effect.

ON PEOPLE WHO DIDNT EVEN KNEW I WAS DOING THE THING?

[AshleyAshes]

2 minutes ago, manikyath said:

ON PEOPLE WHO DIDNT EVEN KNEW I WAS DOING THE THING?

Fluke.

 

Peoples sleep habits and troubles change.

 

Correlation does not prove causation.

[manikyath]

6 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

Fluke.

 

Peoples sleep habits and troubles change.

 

Correlation does not prove causation.

a fluke that repeats quite accuratenly on the random days i decided to test?

 

also, if you would care to read my original post, i speicificly stated i dont claim causation, i however have done enough testing to say that it is very defenately, quite closely related.

[manikyath]

9 minutes ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

internet waves aren't dangerous

which is basicly the first thing i stated in my post

[Sauron]

No. There is no source for that article and I call bullshit. Dangerous radiation is much, much higher power (and usually frequency) than any wifi router. There are also rules that limit the power of said routers. For comparison, the VISIBLE SPECTRUM OF LIGHT starts at 430 Terahertz and the sun irradiates us with it at a very high power level all the time. The only danger wifi could pose is if you multiplied its power by a billion, in that case it would become an open air microwave - but wifi routers are nowhere near that. Just because it's called "radiation" doesn't mean it's gamma rays.

[Clanscorpia]

57 minutes ago, givingtnt said:

no, thats a bad way of handling the situation. 

 

also, you can use tinfoil to rederect and concentrate the wifi waves

OMFG YOU CAN I NEED TO DO THIS PM ME NOW

 

[manikyath]

3 minutes ago, Sauron said:

No. There is no source for that article and I call bullshit. Dangerous radiation is much, much higher power (and usually frequency) than any wifi router. There are also rules that limit the power of said routers. For comparison, the VISIBLE SPECTRUM OF LIGHT starts at 430 Terahertz and the sun irradiates us with it at a very high power level all the time. The only danger wifi could pose is if you multiplied its power by a billion, in that case it would become an open air microwave - but wifi routers are nowhere near that. Just because it's called "radiation" doesn't mean it's gamma rays.

i took a read trough the article, a power adapter that decreases internet waves, and pads to put under your food for "restoring balance inherent in food" 

 

people who believe this shit need to be in a room covered in matresses

[givingtnt]

33 minutes ago, Potato_King said:

okay lets drop some real science.

 

The wavelength that wifi uses is in the lower end of the electromagnetic radiation spectrum (which is what visible light is in, just as microwave and gamma ray), so it cannot hurt you in the way the higher energy waves do. its essentially the same radiation that your microwave uses, and i dont see my leftovers getting tumors (just joking, but you get the point). the only real thing that wifi can do is cause lack of sleep, and thats ONLY because you are using your device at night. We are bombarded by radiation all the time, from cosmic backround radiation to the natural sunlight. thinking that wifi will irradiate you is like thinking living near a nuclear fission plant will make you glow. the companies who tell you this stuff only want you to buy one of their products to "fix" the problem. if you see something like that, ignore it. never buy a product that claims this.

it aint hard, just put some foil in an u shape and put it behind oyur antenna

[Sauron]

4 minutes ago, manikyath said:

i took a read trough the article, a power adapter that decreases internet waves, and pads to put under your food for "restoring balance inherent in food" 

 

people who believe this shit need to be in a room covered in matresses

a lead reinforced sterilized room with microfiltered air.

[Quinnbeast]

1 hour ago, Zack Brown said:

@W-L @wrathoftheturkey @givingtnt @DarkBlade2117 I agree with you and I know they're not dangerous but my dad thinks they're dangerous and he's making me turn off the router at like 10PM wich you know, sucks. How can I convince him that they're not dangerous at all?

Ask him to provide some/any information as to the dangers of wi-fi emissions i.e. how does he know? If they're that dangerous, why have a router in the house at all?

[manikyath]

Just now, Sauron said:

a lead reinforced sterilized room with microfiltered air.

and special hypoalergenic matresses?

[manikyath]

1 minute ago, Quinnbeast said:

Ask him to provide some/any information as to the dangers of wi-fi emissions i.e. how does he know? If they're that dangerous, why have a router in the house at all?

well, 2.4GHz is dangerous, that's why there's legal limits to how strong the antenna on your router can be, because below that treshold it's safe.

 

it's like music at a concert: sound can make you deaf, thats why concerts are limited to a maximum of X number of db because scientists have deemed that as a safe maximum.

[manikyath]

53 minutes ago, Potato_King said:

its what i do. my mission in this world is to edumucate people on the truths of new tech and to eat food.

you know... on a kind of unrelated note, i never use a microwave for cooking.

 

however, not for the reason of this topic, i think my microwave just hates me.

last time i tried heating up a hamburger in it after 30 seconds the left side was charred that hard i couldnt even get a fork into it, the right side was still fridge cold.

 

i have decided a steam oven is much more reliable, and i'm no longer going to buy this specific brand of microwave

[Donut417]

1 hour ago, Zack Brown said:

Are internet router waves dangerous? If so then what are its symptoms?

 

https://www.safespaceprotection.com/emf-health-risks/emf-health-effects/wi-fi-router-dangers/

Radio wave of certain frequencies and at higher power levels can cause issues if exposed for a long time. However WiFi does not fall it to this, under FCC rules routers are kept with in limits and can not cause harm. 

 

I have heard if you stood directly in line and close to some cell phone tower transmitters for like a good hour or 2 you could get burns. But you would feel your skin tingling. I dont think anyone is that stupid not to move. I guess its good that most cell phone transmitters are on high towers at least in my area. They have been running tests for over a decade and none of these tests prove that WiFI can cause some. Some of these Jackass Tin foil hat people want you to believe that WiFI is dangerous this is bullshit. We have a few living in my community, they want to stop smart electrical meters. DTE is charging extra if you keep an old analog  meter, so they want that to change the fact they can get charged. One of them contacted a state representative about it. 

 

Also keep in mind, that when your microwave is on, it emits 2.4Ghz like most WiFi routers and the power level a microwave runs at far exceeds what a router can output. Oh and for 6 months I had the wireless card in my computer pointed directly at my head when I was sleeping in my bed. Besides the High Blood pressure from poor diet, Im completely healthy. 

[BuckGup]

1 hour ago, Zack Brown said:

?? That still requires the router/modem to be on.

You can turn the radio off. I would just lie when I turn it off and on. You can't fix crazy people

[TheSuspenceful]

here, this should protect you from all of those evil wifi rays.

[Quinnbeast]

2 hours ago, manikyath said:

well, 2.4GHz is dangerous, that's why there's legal limits to how strong the antenna on your router can be, because below that treshold it's safe.

 

it's like music at a concert: sound can make you deaf, thats why concerts are limited to a maximum of X number of db because scientists have deemed that as a safe maximum.

 

Well, yes. But I was making a suggestion regarding the OP, not asking aloud for an answer. Relatively speaking, unless you're sleeping with your face on you router, you're more likely to find greater danger simply by... er... going outside (feel free to pick any other random endeavor). RF signals from phones and wi-fi have a carcinogenic evaluation of '2B' (i.e. "possible" but not effectively demonstrated) according to WHO legislators themselves, which is the same rating as coffee, pickled vegetables and being a carpenter. I suspect that guns, cars, pollution, flying, and consuming half of the shit your average supermarket calls "food" will carry more immediate health risks.

[manikyath]

Just now, Quinnbeast said:

 

Well, yes. But I was making a suggestion regarding the OP, not asking aloud for an answer. Relatively speaking, unless you're sleeping with your face on you router, you're more likely to find greater danger simply by... er... going outside (feel free to pick any other random endeavor). RF signals from phones and wi-fi have a carcinogenic evaluation of '2B' (i.e. "possible" but not effectively demonstrated) according to legislators themselves, which is the same rating as coffee, pickled vegetables and being a carpenter. I suspect that guns, cars, pollution, flying, and consuming half of the shit your average supermarket calls "food" will carry more immediate health risks.

my general advice is that you shouldnt see it as a danger, but if you "notice oddities" it's certainly a great place to start since turning off your wifi doesnt cost anything, and has less side effects than pills

[Zack Brown]

11 hours ago, AshleyAshes said:

If a router WAS dangerously radioactive or something, how would unplugging it after 10pm have a benefit to safety?

"What's that?"

"That's my Uranium."

"WTF!?"

"It's cool, we put it in it's lead cask from 10pm till 8am."

"Oh, cool, thank god.  Pass the chips would you?"

Well his point is that it won't affect us while we sleep so that we could have a better sleep.

 

@manikyath @Quinnbeast @TheSuspenceful @SamStrecker @Donut417 @Potato_King @givingtnt @wrathoftheturkey @Sauron

 

Thanks guys for your very helpful information. He is convinced now and would let the router be on at night

 

All the help is much appreciated.

[Guest]

21 hours ago, manikyath said:

ON PEOPLE WHO DIDNT EVEN KNEW I WAS DOING THE THING?

you're the one who made the conclusion. You know nothing about the scientific method, do you?

[manikyath]

Just now, Lord_Doge said:

you're the one who made the conclusion. You know nothing about the scientific method, do you?

i made the conclusion that people who didnt know things were changing quite reliably changed as well.

 

unlike some, i still have an ounce for respect and prefer not to use my family as guinnea pigs for extended amounts of time while i'm writing down the data, without them knowing.

 

i see what happened around me, and taken my conclusions from it.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, manikyath said:

i made the conclusion that people who didnt know things were changing quite reliably changed as well.

 

unlike some, i still have an ounce for respect and prefer not to use my family as guinnea pigs for extended amounts of time while i'm writing down the data, without them knowing.

 

i see what happened around me, and taken my conclusions from it.

You're just as stubborn (and insane) as the ones who fear wifi. Your opinions are just closer to that of a sane man and therefore the general population accepts you.

 

You'd need a much larger sample size before anyone will consider your point. I have another experiment for you: try leaving the microwave on all night and see if that affects your family.

 

Many people in this thread have made very valid arguments against you, yet you still refuse to budge. I have never met anyone as biased as you.

[manikyath]

24 minutes ago, Lord_Doge said:

You're just as stubborn (and insane) as the ones who fear wifi. Your opinions are just closer to that of a sane man and therefore the general population accepts you.

 

You'd need a much larger sample size before anyone will consider your point. I have another experiment for you: try leaving the microwave on all night and see if that affects your family.

 

Many people in this thread have made very valid arguments against you, yet you still refuse to budge. I have never met anyone as biased as you.

- because i've seen that it genuinely affects some. i have mentioned from the start i know it doesnt affect everyone, and you're the only one here ever mentioning it "causing" things.

 

- microwaves are a very, very good farraday cage, with very good reason, if it was not, you'd have cancer before your dinner was ready. also, i do not have the money to conduct an experiment that may potentially set the kitchen on fire

 

- because "many people" twist my words, and never actually bring in any evidence. if you want to prove me wrong, go ahead and do testing yourself, with all the parameters you want to oppose on me.

 

in the meantime, i'd prefer to keep my good nights rest, and wish for my family to have the same.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, manikyath said:

- because i've seen that it genuinely affects some. i have mentioned from the start i know it doesnt affect everyone, and you're the only one here ever mentioning it "causing" things.

 

- microwaves are a very, very good farraday cage, with very good reason, if it was not, you'd have cancer before your dinner was ready. also, i do not have the money to conduct an experiment that may potentially set the kitchen on fire

 

- because "many people" twist my words, and never actually bring in any evidence. if you want to prove me wrong, go ahead and do testing yourself, with all the parameters you want to oppose on me.

 

in the meantime, i'd prefer to keep my good nights rest, and wish for my family to have the same.

If the placebo makes you feel better by all means go ahead and move your router.

 

Microwaves are only slightly good faraday cages. A good bit of the radiation does leak out. Chronically standing next to a running microwave probably isn't good for your skin. However, like wifi, microwaves produce non-ionizing radiation which produce heat but do not cause cancer.

 

All wifi would ever do is burn you if it was powerful enough, but you said yourself that the FCC regulates it enough to not be an issue.

 

Some other forms of non ionizing radiation that don't cause cancer are: Radio waves (literally everywhere), Cosmic background radiation, (also literally everywhere), Electromagnetic fields (try to escape those), and other various forms of radiation produced from many electronics.

 

I'm curious, do these things also mess with your sleep? You'd need to build a faraday cage pretty deep underground to test. You also wouldn't be able to bring any electronics and for good measure you probably should avoid any light as well.

 

But i'm not "bringing in any evidence" to disprove your claim so you can feel free to disregard my post as some casual on the internet who knows nothing at all. God forbid you be wrong.

[manikyath]

1 minute ago, Lord_Doge said:

Microwaves are only slightly good faraday cages.

inside microwave: 1KW

outside microwave: milliwats

how is that only slightly good?

 

if you're gonna talk people who are too stubborn to admit they're wrong...