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Posted · Original PosterOP

Greetings Community

 

So, a friend and I are building a computer together and it needs to be very reliable as the people who will be using the computer are not computer illiterate at all if something ever happened to it. My friend is convinced that Intel is more reliable than AMD. I need your guys opinions and I want to here from as many different people as I can to show him.

 

PS: My last thread I made was uhh, well a bit click baity, so it got locked. This is an honest thing that I want to show him that it's not just me that thinks that AMD is just as reliable as Intel if not more reliable.

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1 minute ago, birdflyer said:

a friend and I are building a computer together and it needs to be very reliable

A properly built PC will be reliable, regardless of the CPU used in the system. Intel and AMD both make reliable CPU's, choose the CPU fit for the purpose/budget/etc., irregardless of brand.


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if someone just wants a stable pc that boots for everyday tasks, go with intel, amd has a higher chance of weird problems

 

I used to be a huge athlon fanboy before phenom and sledgehammer happened, zen is still a bit jank imho and i've done 2 2700x builds, the amount of relief when it just boots is just...different.


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1 minute ago, xg32 said:

if someone just wants a stable pc that boots for everyday tasks, go with intel, amd has a higher chance of weird problems.

I'm going to disagree. My parents got on 2000 APUs fairly early and have been as rock stable.


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2 minutes ago, xg32 said:

if someone just wants a stable pc that boots for everyday tasks, go with intel, amd has a higher chance of weird problems

Could you support that statement with some valid examples? (other than weird memory speed incompabilities, which is not a problem if one follows the QVL of the motherboard)


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4 minutes ago, minibois said:

Could you support that statement with some valid examples? (other than weird memory speed incompabilities, which is not a problem if one follows the QVL of the motherboard)

I understand what you are saying but if the computer is properly set up in the first place, is this an issue?

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1 minute ago, birdflyer said:

I understand what you are saying but if the computer is properly set up in the first place, is this an issue?

The memory stuff? 

That's not an issue, if one follows the motherboard QVL (or has knowledge of what settings to tweak).


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Just now, minibois said:

The memory stuff? 

That's not an issue, if one follows the motherboard QVL (or has knowledge of what settings to tweak).

Ya so what would be happening is we would be building (setting up) and sending the system to the people. look at this thread for further info: 

 

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23 minutes ago, minibois said:

Could you support that statement with some valid examples? (other than weird memory speed incompabilities, which is not a problem if one follows the QVL of the motherboard)

it's just a matter of probability, if there are 100 intel builds and 100 amds, i'm willing to bet money that the amd side will have more that won't boot/minor problems. 

 

Early in zen 1 even if people followed the qvl some chips just didn't do 3200 (even flare x), for zen 2 there's early voltage problems stock that motherboard manufacturers either cheated the voltages and ended up degrading the chips on stock on the early bio, and early in the cycle there was the constant AGESA updates to just fix the boost clocks. This is just off the top of my head.  I'm still not convinced PBO is 100% safe or anything above 1.3v for zen 2 per buildzoid, the chip's not even a year old and it's too early to tell. 

 

My problems with z170-z390? uhhh...

 

the 3600 is a great deal, the 3950x is the best in class outside of gaming, and I do plan on getting zen 3, but i do expect problems.

 

If someone says they just want a functioning pc, and they are building themselves without help, i cannot in good conscience recommend amd without telling them it has a higher chance of problems.


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1 hour ago, xg32 said:

it's just a matter of probability, if there are 100 intel builds and 100 amds, i'm willing to bet money that the amd side will have more that won't boot/minor problems. 

 

Early in zen 1 even if people followed the qvl some chips just didn't do 3200 (even flare x), for zen 2 there's early voltage problems stock that motherboard manufacturers either cheated the voltages and ended up degrading the chips on stock on the early bio, and early in the cycle there was the constant AGESA updates to just fix the boost clocks. This is just off the top of my head. 

 

I do plan on getting zen 3, and i do expect problems.

 

If someone says they just want a functioning pc, and they are building themselves without help, i cannot in good conscience recommend amd without telling them it has a higher chance of problems.

Now that you know where I am coming from, here are two different builds (for more info look at the thread that is linked above):

 

Intel (by us): https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M3FLQq

 

AMD (By @SavageNeo https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KFFNCL

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11 minutes ago, birdflyer said:

Well with you getting where I am coming from here are two different builds (for more info look at the thread that is linked above):

 

Intel (by us): https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M3FLQq

 

AMD (By @SavageNeo https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KFFNCL

the 8400 is outdated, either go for z490 or with a 10600k and prime-p if it's in ur budget, or just go with the amd build, which is a better value with a 5600xt (the ram he picked is BY FAR the best value for that price)


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3 minutes ago, xg32 said:

the 8400 is outdated, either go for z490 or with a 10600k and prime-p if it's in ur budget, or just go with the amd build, which is a better value with a 5600xt (the ram he picked is BY FAR the best value for that price)

well our top price is $1200 (including peripherals etc). Do you have a build in mind?

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9 minutes ago, xg32 said:

Early in zen 1 even if people followed the qvl some chips just didn't do 3200 (even flare x), for zen 2 there's early voltage problems stock that motherboard manufacturers either cheated the voltages and ended up degrading the chips on stock on the early bio, and early in the cycle there was the constant AGESA updates to just fix the boost clocks. This is just off the top of my head.  I'm still not convinced PBO is 100% safe or anything above 1.3v for zen 2 per buildzoid, the chip's not even a year old and it's too early to tell.

Fair enough.

I'm a Ryzen user since the early days and have built a Ryzen 2000 and 3000 build too and I only encountered problems with this first system. But I have also built countless of PC's for customers, which I have not seen a correlation between issues and CPU brand.

10 minutes ago, xg32 said:

My problems with z170-z390? uhhh...

I dunno, could we count the high voltages through MCE? Or the spectre/meltdown updates which affected Intel CPU's more than it seemed to impact AMD CPU's?

There are of course more prominent issues with AMD CPU's, but I think a lot of them have been smoothed out of the BIOSes and such too.

21 minutes ago, birdflyer said:

Ya so what would be happening is we would be building (setting up) and sending the system to the people. look at this thread for further info: 

The 8400 as a CPU just doesn't make much sense when the Ryzen 5 3600 and i5 10600 exists.

You're going to be selling these PC's to customers, right? If you're going to be selling PC's, you're expected to also be able to service PC's, which means you need to have some good knowledge on what the best options are in a PC.

Not to sound rude, but if you're asking "AMD vs. Intel" sort of questions, I think you need to consider if you're ready to face customers with similar such questions and what your response would be.

 

What if a customer comes to you and ask "Why did you choose CPU X, instead of CPU Y?", you need to have a confident, clear and simple answer ready to give them.


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I only use Intel CPUs.  One nice feature is they have on chip graphics in case a GPU goes flaky and you don't have a spare.  this happened to me three weeks ago and I was able to pull the GPU and keep working.  I don't game, so my system is not under pressure in terms of video FPS.  The big reason is that I have owned some Intel stock for about 20 years now.😉


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52 minutes ago, birdflyer said:

Greetings Community

 

So, a friend and I are building a computer together and it needs to be very reliable as the people who will be using the computer are not computer illiterate at all if something ever happened to it. My friend is convinced that Intel is more reliable than AMD. I need your guys opinions and I want to here from as many different people as I can to show him.

 

PS: My last thread I made was uhh, well a bit click baity, so it got locked. This is an honest thing that I want to show him that it's not just me that thinks that AMD is just as reliable as Intel if not more reliable.

It's totally baity as hell.

 

I have AMD hardware that's 20 years old that I can fire up any time.

 

Generally the caps on boards go bad first if not the cpu fan or hard drive. 

 

CPU seems to last forever.

 

So maybe which make and model mother boards would be looked at for longevity. Or perhaps the drives.

 

Other than that Intel vs AMD in this forum will start a total bullshit argument with people that must be misunderstanding the question was just wrong in the first place.

 

People buy what they want. 


 

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58 minutes ago, xg32 said:

if someone just wants a stable pc that boots for everyday tasks, go with intel, amd has a higher chance of weird problems

 

I used to be a huge athlon fanboy before phenom and sledgehammer happened, zen is still a bit jank imho and i've done 2 2700x builds, the amount of relief when it just boots is just...different.

i never had any problems with my r5 3600 but i did have some problems with my i7 4770 with the fan speed not changing but thats probably more of a problem with the cheapo motherboard that lenovo uses that i scavenged from a thinkcentre

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25 minutes ago, birdflyer said:

well our top price is $1200 (including peripherals etc). Do you have a build in mind?

i don't know how much you need the external hard drive or whether u plan to put any games on the seagate hdd, but i'd personally switch that out for one of the cheaper 1tb ssds.

 

https://www.amazon.com/ADATA-SU760-NAND-Internal-ASU760SS-1TT-C/dp/B07TBQ637W/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=1tb+ssd&qid=1594506596&sr=8-9 

 

90bucks

 

As for the monitor if you are going to buy a 90dollar monitor i recommend looking at the used market, though u'd have to know exactly which models are good and covid's really messed that segment up. I used to find 500usd monitors on ebay for 70bucks used, (feb 2020)

 

There's also an ips model on sale atm

 

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-24-ips-led-fhd-freesync-monitor-black/6362423.p?skuId=6362423&ref=212&loc=1&ref=212&loc=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwxqX4BRBhEiwAYtJX7dey7QqxT5ISwYmJRBzzLXMEDx4CWsWz6nu1c7xzREgplxNCbMzFLBoCzQ8QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

 


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33 minutes ago, minibois said:

Fair enough.

I'm a Ryzen user since the early days and have built a Ryzen 2000 and 3000 build too and I only encountered problems with this first system. But I have also built countless of PC's for customers, which I have not seen a correlation between issues and CPU brand.

I dunno, could we count the high voltages through MCE? Or the spectre/meltdown updates which affected Intel CPU's more than it seemed to impact AMD CPU's?

There are of course more prominent issues with AMD CPU's, but I think a lot of them have been smoothed out of the BIOSes and such too.

The 8400 as a CPU just doesn't make much sense when the Ryzen 5 3600 and i5 10600 exists.

You're going to be selling these PC's to customers, right? If you're going to be selling PC's, you're expected to also be able to service PC's, which means you need to have some good knowledge on what the best options are in a PC.

Not to sound rude, but if you're asking "AMD vs. Intel" sort of questions, I think you need to consider if you're ready to face customers with similar such questions and what your response would be.

 

What if a customer comes to you and ask "Why did you choose CPU X, instead of CPU Y?", you need to have a confident, clear and simple answer ready to give them.

I know a "Decent amount" (and I say that cautiously) about computers. I have built 6 or 7 pcs. To answer your question about if we are selling this to more than one buyer, no. This is actually for a church in Nocatee Alaska. For futher details on this computer, follow this link: 

The reason I am asking this question is to see whether (as the people that will be using this computer are not at all computer illiterate) AMD or an Intel cpu we could afford would be more reliable.

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20 minutes ago, xg32 said:

i don't know how much you need the external hard drive or whether u plan to put any games on the seagate hdd, but i'd personally switch that out for one of the cheaper 1tb ssds.

 

https://www.amazon.com/ADATA-SU760-NAND-Internal-ASU760SS-1TT-C/dp/B07TBQ637W/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=1tb+ssd&qid=1594506596&sr=8-9 

 

90bucks

 

As for the monitor if you are going to buy a 90dollar monitor i recommend looking at the used market, though u'd have to know exactly which models are good and covid's really messed that segment up. I used to find 500usd monitors on ebay for 70bucks used, (feb 2020)

 

There's also an ips model on sale atm

 

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-24-ips-led-fhd-freesync-monitor-black/6362423.p?skuId=6362423&ref=212&loc=1&ref=212&loc=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwxqX4BRBhEiwAYtJX7dey7QqxT5ISwYmJRBzzLXMEDx4CWsWz6nu1c7xzREgplxNCbMzFLBoCzQ8QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

As for why the external drive, this is what the people who we are building the computer for (they will be using it for Heavy Research, and text editing for a church in Nocatee Alaska) wanted. Thanks for the tip on the monitor, we will have to look into that.

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41 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

It's totally baity as hell.

 

I have AMD hardware that's 20 years old that I can fire up any time.

 

Generally the caps on boards go bad first if not the cpu fan or hard drive. 

 

CPU seems to last forever.

 

So maybe which make and model mother boards would be looked at for longevity. Or perhaps the drives.

 

Other than that Intel vs AMD in this forum will start a total bullshit argument with people that must be misunderstanding the question was just wrong in the first place.

 

People buy what they want. 

Listen I totally get where you are coming from about this thread being click bait, trust me (I know it's hard) I am doing this for the friend who is helping me. He wants Intel and I want AMD. He likes Apple I like Android but I will deal with Apple etc. We are best friends but obviously disagree on some things. I just wanted to get your guys's opinion on it and I have, so thank you all. Please continue to comment respectfully (and convince my friend LoL).

 

Also the part about people buy what they want. Really good point, the issue is when two people want to buy two different things 😂.

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39 minutes ago, Alan G said:

I only use Intel CPUs.  One nice feature is they have on chip graphics in case a GPU goes flaky and you don't have a spare.  this happened to me three weeks ago and I was able to pull the GPU and keep working.  I don't game, so my system is not under pressure in terms of video FPS.  The big reason is that I have owned some Intel stock for about 20 years now.😉

Yes it is nice to have integrated graphics, in this case we are looking at price to performance and it will have a dedicated gpu so that should not be an issue.

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2 minutes ago, birdflyer said:

Listen I totally get where you are coming from about this thread being click bait, trust me (I know it's hard) I am doing this for the friend who is helping me. He wants Intel and I want AMD. He likes Apple I like Android but will deal with Apple etc. We are best friends but obviously disagree on some things. I just wanted to get your guys's opinion on it and I have, so thank you all. Please continue to comment respectfully (and convince my friend LoL).

 

Also the part about people buy what they want. Really good point, the issue is when two people want to buy two different things 😂.

Well yea. you guys don't need to share with each other. And opposites attract. That's how it works. And it's good and healthy.

I have a good friend that liked Intel and I've always had AMD. We had some good arguments :)

 

But Cpu IPC was mainly the back and forth. As it is today, mostly what people discuss over longevity. Factually, processor it's self can last a long time. ARM, X86 RISC... all last a long time. Mostly the other components fail first. 


 

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I forgot to mention, I'm not using the same word as the thread topic. 

 

Reliable ---> Longevity - is how I'm trying to stay focused. 

 

 


 

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1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Well yea. you guys don't need to share with each other. And opposites attract. That's how it works. And it's good and healthy.

I have a good friend that liked Intel and I've always had AMD. We had some good arguments :)

 

But Cpu IPC was mainly the back and forth. As it is today, mostly what people discuss over longevity. Factually, processor it's self can last a long time. ARM, X86 RISC... all last a long time. Mostly the other components fail first. 

Thanks, so given our budget for this "client" (we aren't getting paid, we are just volunteering), would you pick the AMD or Intel build, or do you have a different build in mind.

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1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

I forgot to mention, I'm not using the same word as the thread topic. 

 

Reliable ---> Longevity - is how I'm trying to stay focused. 

 

 

Ok, sounds good. BTW thanks for the help.

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