Jump to content
Search In
  • More options...
Find results that contain...
Find results in...
williamcll

The next generation of console wars - Playstation 5 stream

Recommended Posts

Posted · Original PosterOP

Update: In Denmark it will be sold for US$1,043/€935/£838/6989 Krone, releasing on December 1st 2020

 

Watch the stream here: 

 

Quote

image.thumb.png.7a85333b30d3646b2e62bf61109d1929.png

Sony has broken its silence. PlayStation 5 specifications are now out in the open with system architect Mark Cerny delivering a deep dive presentation into the nature of the new hardware and the ways in which we should expect a true generational leap over PlayStation 4. Digital Foundry had the chance to watch the lecture a couple of days ahead of time and had the opportunity to talk to Cerny in more depth afterwards about the nature of the custom PlayStation hardware and the philosophy behind its design. As you'll appreciate when you see the deep-dive presentation released today, there's a wealth of new information about Sony's next-generation console plans here, and that's before we go really in-depth with the information Mark Cerny shared with us beyond the content of today's presentation. With that in mind, we'll be presenting our content in two chunks. Today, we'll be looking at what we've learned from Sony's video broadcast, and a little further on down the road, we'll go deeper and share even more detail around the central pillars. In summary, however, these are the core details covered today:

  • The technical specifications of PlayStation 5 and its innovative 'boost' approach to core clocks;
  • The features of the PlayStation 5 GPU;
  • How the SSD helps deliver the next-generation dream;
  • How Sony tackles expandable storage;
  • Unprecedented 3D audio fidelity via the Tempest 3D Audio Engine.

What's exciting about this presentation is that Sony presents a vision for next-gen that recaptures some of the pioneering spirit of its early consoles by delivering state-of-the-art, exotic custom silicon with a razor-sharp focus on taking the gaming experience to the next level. But at the same time, the design embraces the developer-friendly ethos that proved so successful with PlayStation 4. The idea is that developers comfortable with the current generation hardware and can easily get to grips with the basics of PS5 and easily access the extra CPU, GPU and storage features before exploring the new features at their own pace.

Source:https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/ps5/

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-playstation-5-specs-and-tech-that-deliver-sonys-next-gen-vision

Thoughts: Very nice, but there's not much playstation games been attracting me the past few years, I will wait for the reviews.


Specs: Motherboard: Asus X470-PLUS TUF gaming (Yes I know it's poor but I wasn't informed) RAM: Corsair VENGEANCE® LPX DDR4 3200Mhz CL16-18-18-36 2x8GB

            CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X @ 4.2Ghz          Case: Antec P8     PSU: G.Storm GS850                        Cooler: Antec K240 with two Noctura Industrial PPC 3000 PWM

            Drives: Samsung 970 EVO plus 250GB, Micron 1100 2TB, Seagate ST4000DM000/1F2168 GPU: EVGA RTX 2080 ti Black edition @ 2Ghz

                                                                                                                             

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm sick of hearing about sodding SSDs!


Laptop:

Spoiler

HP OMEN 15 - Intel Core i7 9750H, 16GB DDR4, 512GB NVMe SSD, Nvidia RTX 2060, 15.6" 1080p 144Hz IPS display

PC:

Spoiler

Vacancy - Looking for applicants, please send CV

Mac:

Spoiler

2009 Mac Pro 8 Core - 2 x Xeon E5520, 16GB DDR3 1333 ECC, 120GB SATA SSD, AMD Radeon 7850. Soon to be upgraded to 2 x 6 Core Xeons

Phones:

Spoiler

LG G6 - Platinum (The best colour of any phone, period)

LG G7 - Moroccan Blue

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'll have to catch up later but I expect there'll be the inevitable comparison with the new XB.


Main rig: Asus Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700k stock, Noctua D14, G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 2x8GB, Gigabyte GTX 1650, Corsair HX750i, In Win 303 NVIDIA, Samsung SM951 512GB, WD Blue 1TB, HP LP2475W 1200p wide gamut

Gaming system: Asrock Z370 Pro4, i7-8086k stock, Noctua D15, Corsair Vengeance LPX RGB 3000 2x8GB, Gigabyte RTX 2070, Fractal Edison 550W PSU, Corsair 600C, Optane 900p 280GB, Crucial MX200 1TB, Sandisk 960GB, Acer Predator XB241YU 1440p 144Hz G-sync

Ryzen rig: Asrock B450 ITX, R5 3600, Noctua D9L, G.SKill TridentZ 3000C14 2x8GB, Gigabyte RTX 2070, Corsair CX450M, NZXT Manta, WD Green 240GB SSD, LG OLED55B9PLA

VR rig: Asus Z170I Pro Gaming, i7-6700T stock, Scythe Kozuti, Kingston Hyper-X 2666 2x8GB, Zotac 1070 FE, Corsair CX450M, Silverstone SG13, Samsung PM951 256GB, Crucial BX500 1TB, HTC Vive

Gaming laptop: Asus FX503VD, i5-7300HQ, 2x8GB DDR4, GTX 1050, Sandisk 256GB + 480GB SSD

Total CPU heating: i7-8086k, i3-8350k, i7-7920X, 2x i7-6700k, i7-6700T, i5-6600k, i3-6100, i7-5930k, i7-5820k, i7-5775C, i5-5675C, 2x i7-4590, i5-4570S, 2x i3-4150T, E5-2683v3, 2x E5-2650, E5-2667, R7 3700X, R5 3600, R5 2600, R7 1700

Link to post
Share on other sites

So ok kinda what we expected so far though. Looking very good and how these new upcoming consoles are quite comparable is nice.


Ryzen 7 3800X | X570 Aorus Elite | G.Skill 16GB 3200MHz C16 | Radeon RX 5700 XT | Samsung 850 PRO 256GB | Mouse: Zowie S1 | OS: Windows 10

Link to post
Share on other sites

people still call it console wars when it's literally the same machine on just a different plastic box with a different OS?


One day I will be able to play Monster Hunter Frontier in French/Italian/English on my PC, it's just a matter of time... 4 5 6 7 8 9 years later: It's finally coming!!!

Phones: iPhone 4S/SE | LG V10 | Lumia 920

Laptops: Macbook Pro 15" (mid-2012) | Compaq Presario V6000

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just watching the audio part and my god, we've had almost all of this 20 years ago on PC... It's funny how he talks about insane computation requirements for 3D audio and yet I can vividly remember how everyone (the people) was screaming how we don't need dedicated soundcards with powerful dedicated audio processors and how CPU's have enough computation power to do it alone. Aaaahm. Yeah, it was enough for crappy 32 sound sources and most basic vague 3D audio on bog standard Realtek chips maxing EAX 2 capabilities. Not for 128 audio sources with path tracing and all the effects attached to each path trace with output using some form of HRTF modeling that Creative top of the line soundcards were doing.

 

I hope Microsoft will pull head out of their own ass and give audio proper audio stack that can be properly accelerated. Either by dedicated audio processor on soundcards or via GPU.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I like the fact they actually have an NVMe slot on their system unlike microsoft. Microsoft will have proprietary drives. 


Hey, I am Lord Xeb from OCN!

"Everyone is an expert in something. Never approach an interaction thinking someone is otherwise. Knowledge is acquired not earned. Always be humble and wise. Never look down on others for simply being ignorant within your realm of your expertise." ~ Unknown
"There he goes, one of god's own prototypes. Unfit for mass production, but too rare to die." ~ YellowJersey

Link to post
Share on other sites

GPU@2.23Ghz? Really? Not "up to" 2.23ghz1?  

 

1 depend on >9000 variables


| Intel i7-3770@4.2Ghz | Asus Z77-V | Zotac 980 Ti Amp! Omega | DDR3 1800mhz 4GB x4 | 300GB Intel DC S3500 SSD | 512GB Plextor M5 Pro | 2x 1TB WD Blue HDD |
 | Enermax NAXN82+ 650W 80Plus Bronze | Fiio E07K | Grado SR80i | Cooler Master XB HAF EVO | Logitech G27 | Logitech G600 | CM Storm Quickfire TK | DualShock 4 |

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, porina said:

I'll have to catch up later but I expect there'll be the inevitable comparison with the new XB.

I wouldn't bother unless you want 20 minutes of why HDDs are slower than SSDs, not an exaggeration either, 5 minutes in to the HDD speech I honestly went down stairs, prepared and ate food and when I got back he was still bangin on about seek times.


Main Rig:-

Ryzen 7 3800X | Asus ROG Strix X570-F Gaming | 16GB Team Group Dark Pro 3600Mhz | Samsung 970 Evo 500GB NVMe | Sapphire 5700 XT Pulse | Corsair H115i Platinum | WD Black 1TB | WD Green 4TB | EVGA SuperNOVA G3 650W | Asus TUF GT501 | Samsung C27HG70 1440p 144hz HDR FreeSync 2 | Windows 10 Pro X64 |

 

Server:-

Raspberry Pi 4 Model B running OMV Arrakis and an 8TB Seagate USB 3.0 external HDD

Link to post
Share on other sites
38 minutes ago, LostElric said:

Comparison from Engadget. They seem very similar with XB a bit ahead.

Thanks, provides an interesting overview although I hope to dig deeper later in case of any nuances that may be over-simplified.

 

1 minute ago, Master Disaster said:

I wouldn't bother unless you want 20 minutes of why HDDs are slower than SSDs, not an exaggeration either, 5 minutes in to the HDD speech I honestly went down stairs, prepared and ate food and when I got back he was still bangin on about seek times.

I hope someone does a good writeup of what matters from it then. I'm curious about the shown storage bandwidth from the earlier posted table. Is that a PCIe 4 SSD, as the xb one looks more like an earlier gen amount of bandwidth. 

 

(Still sitting in an unrelated conference call... death would be a welcome diversion at this point)


Main rig: Asus Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700k stock, Noctua D14, G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 2x8GB, Gigabyte GTX 1650, Corsair HX750i, In Win 303 NVIDIA, Samsung SM951 512GB, WD Blue 1TB, HP LP2475W 1200p wide gamut

Gaming system: Asrock Z370 Pro4, i7-8086k stock, Noctua D15, Corsair Vengeance LPX RGB 3000 2x8GB, Gigabyte RTX 2070, Fractal Edison 550W PSU, Corsair 600C, Optane 900p 280GB, Crucial MX200 1TB, Sandisk 960GB, Acer Predator XB241YU 1440p 144Hz G-sync

Ryzen rig: Asrock B450 ITX, R5 3600, Noctua D9L, G.SKill TridentZ 3000C14 2x8GB, Gigabyte RTX 2070, Corsair CX450M, NZXT Manta, WD Green 240GB SSD, LG OLED55B9PLA

VR rig: Asus Z170I Pro Gaming, i7-6700T stock, Scythe Kozuti, Kingston Hyper-X 2666 2x8GB, Zotac 1070 FE, Corsair CX450M, Silverstone SG13, Samsung PM951 256GB, Crucial BX500 1TB, HTC Vive

Gaming laptop: Asus FX503VD, i5-7300HQ, 2x8GB DDR4, GTX 1050, Sandisk 256GB + 480GB SSD

Total CPU heating: i7-8086k, i3-8350k, i7-7920X, 2x i7-6700k, i7-6700T, i5-6600k, i3-6100, i7-5930k, i7-5820k, i7-5775C, i5-5675C, 2x i7-4590, i5-4570S, 2x i3-4150T, E5-2683v3, 2x E5-2650, E5-2667, R7 3700X, R5 3600, R5 2600, R7 1700

Link to post
Share on other sites
48 minutes ago, LostElric said:

Comparison from Engadget. They seem very similar with XB a bit ahead.

ps5_v_xsx.JPG

Soooo It's the same console, nearly the same hardware and capabilities.... Just different OSes... Ok then... And people are still fighting over them. 🤦‍♂️


CPU: AMD Ryzen 3600 / GPU: Radeon HD7970 GHz 3GB(upgrade pending) / RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8GB DDR4-3200
MOBO: MSI B450m Gaming Plus / NVME: Corsair MP510 240GB / Case: TT Core v21 / PSU: Seasonic 750W / OS: Win 10 Pro

Link to post
Share on other sites

I think the fanboi-ism comes from exclusives, not so much the hardware itself. For me personally i've always preferred playstations first part games over xbox but, with PC and MS releasing just about all of their first part games on PC i'll be content with Pc+PS5.

Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

Soooo It's the same console, nearly the same hardware and capabilities.... Just different OSes... Ok then... And people are still fighting over them. 🤦‍♂️

Did you notice that Sony seemed a little anxious about the fact the PS5 is basically an upgraded PS4? There was very little hype, emphasis on "iteration rather than new" and lots of middle manager bumpf. To me it felt like they were almost trying to tempur expectations which is odd considering the specs are a significant upgrade over the PS4. Heck on paper both the Series X & PS5 GPUs have more power than my 5700XT.


Main Rig:-

Ryzen 7 3800X | Asus ROG Strix X570-F Gaming | 16GB Team Group Dark Pro 3600Mhz | Samsung 970 Evo 500GB NVMe | Sapphire 5700 XT Pulse | Corsair H115i Platinum | WD Black 1TB | WD Green 4TB | EVGA SuperNOVA G3 650W | Asus TUF GT501 | Samsung C27HG70 1440p 144hz HDR FreeSync 2 | Windows 10 Pro X64 |

 

Server:-

Raspberry Pi 4 Model B running OMV Arrakis and an 8TB Seagate USB 3.0 external HDD

Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Did you notice that Sony seemed a little anxious about the fact the PS5 is basically an upgraded PS4? There was very little hype, emphasis on "iteration rather than new" and lots of middle manager bumpf. To me it felt like they were almost trying to tempur expectations which is odd considering the specs are a significant upgrade over the PS4. Heck on paper both the Series X & PS5 GPUs have more power than my 5700XT.

Given how much emphasis there is on internal I/O (specifically MEMORY+SSD), ray tracing capability with path tracing HRTF capable audio, it's hard to call it a small upgrade. Not to mention it runs latest Zen2 and RDNA2. Compared to Jaguar processor that was last gen even on its release...

 

They've removed most bottlenecks that required developers to be creative when designing a game instead of just allowing them to make things they want instead of things console needed to run well. Which I can see as great way to speed up development which is already lengthy, expensive and complex as is with modern titles.

 

Since this will be the new I/O standard on consoles, I think porting of games to PC's with crappy HDD's on budget systems will be problematic. SSD's are cheap, but people still run them. But we've seen problems with that already, for example NFS 2015 had cars falling through maps because physical layer of the level loaded too slowly on HDD's and players fell through. It's bad game design, but shows a realistic problem.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Everybody freakin out about the TFs being lower on Reddit and socials are really a show of incompetence.

 

PS5 is a custom, different, unique approach to gaming hardware. The Xbox is.. literally a boxed PC with much smaller tweaks (in comparison). Next generation is really gonna be interesting going forward.

 

It's funny also how people are undereacting at the SSD like "we've always had SSDs in PCs!". We do, and they mostly sucks. This looks to be pretty revolutionary for once, at least for gaming.

Link to post
Share on other sites

so as said same machine only different box and OS.

PS5 probably set at a lower clock on both GPU and CPU because it will have a smaller box and therefore has more thermal constraints


One day I will be able to play Monster Hunter Frontier in French/Italian/English on my PC, it's just a matter of time... 4 5 6 7 8 9 years later: It's finally coming!!!

Phones: iPhone 4S/SE | LG V10 | Lumia 920

Laptops: Macbook Pro 15" (mid-2012) | Compaq Presario V6000

Link to post
Share on other sites

Those 36 CUs are going to make this console way cheaper than the xbox. And with 2.2GHz it's probably not going to lag that much behind in performance. Also the non-proprietary storage is going to be more attractive. If you look back at the last generations it's pretty easy to see which console is going to sell better:
Xbox 360 was cheaper than the PS3 and outsold it for the longest time
PS4 was cheaper than the Xbox One and outsold it
 


Intel Core i5-8400 / ASRock Z370 Pro 4 / Hyper 212 Evo / 16GB DDR4 @3000 / MSI RTX 2070 Armor / Corsair RM550x / SanDisk 250GB / 1TB WD HDD / Fractal Design Define R4

Link to post
Share on other sites

I really like the expandable NVMe storage in the PS5, but the Xbox looks like it's going to runaway with the power crown. Given that this gen is all about 4k gaming, it's concerning how little power the PS5 appears to have on paper. I guess we'll have to wait to see what optimisation magic they can pull, or if they meant CTR at 4k/60.


PC Part Picker Link || CPU: Intel i7 4790K @ 5Ghz; MB: ASUS Z97 Maximus VII Ranger; RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance 2400; GFX: Asus Strix 1080ti; CASE: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ATX Glass; STORAGE: 500GB Samsung 960 Pro, 250GB 850 Evo, 500GB 850 Evo, 3TB WD Red; PSU: Corsair AX1200i; MONITOR: Acer Predator X34; PERIPHERALS: Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Chroma; Razer Deathadder Chroma, Audeze Mobius

 

Devices || Macbook Pro 15" (2016); iPad Pro 9.7"; iPhone Xr

 

Audio Gear || Headphones: Audeze iSine20; Audeze LCD-X; Audeze LCD-3; Mr Speakers Ether 2; Focal Clear; B&O H5; Sony MDR-1000x; AMP/DAC: Chord Qutest; Pathos Aurium; Bryston BHA-1; Matrix Audio Element X; Benchmark AHB2; Speakers: AudioEngine A5+; Focal Aria 936

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
47 minutes ago, Medicate said:

Those 36 CUs are going to make this console way cheaper than the xbox

Not necessarily. With clocks twice as high as the ones in the XBOXSX, I would assume binning is going to be way worse, probably requiring even more CUs to be built into the chip just to be disabled later.

Link to post
Share on other sites
45 minutes ago, Medicate said:

Those 36 CUs are going to make this console way cheaper than the xbox. And with 2.2GHz it's probably not going to lag that much behind in performance. Also the non-proprietary storage is going to be more attractive. If you look back at the last generations it's pretty easy to see which console is going to sell better:
Xbox 360 was cheaper than the PS3 and outsold it for the longest time
PS4 was cheaper than the Xbox One and outsold it
 

Yet, Sony won 3 of the 4 generations it was in, and the only one "they lost" was against Nintendo Wii (7th generation) not against the 360 which they outsold.

Xbox was always the underdog, and most likely will always be.

Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, suicidalfranco said:

so as said same machine only different box and OS.

PS5 probably set at a lower clock on both GPU and CPU because it will have a smaller box and therefore has more thermal constraints

Ps5 actually has a higher GPU clock speed


yeet!

Link to post
Share on other sites
51 minutes ago, SlimyPython said:

Ps5 actually has a higher GPU clock speed

and lower cu count


One day I will be able to play Monster Hunter Frontier in French/Italian/English on my PC, it's just a matter of time... 4 5 6 7 8 9 years later: It's finally coming!!!

Phones: iPhone 4S/SE | LG V10 | Lumia 920

Laptops: Macbook Pro 15" (mid-2012) | Compaq Presario V6000

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


×