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(16core added)AMD 3000 specs! 4.7 GHZ, R9 3950x, R7 3700x, 3800x.

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Posted · Original PosterOP
Just now, ONOTech said:

From the sauce:

Not mentioned during the keynote, but discussed in the press release, AMD also gave information about its new Ryzen 5 processors.

Ok i will add them then.

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3 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

Ok i will add them then.

Yeah no problem. It's also on AMD's official website.

 

https://www.amd.com/en/products/specifications/processors/11781,11756,11761,11766,11771

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Anandtech (emphasis added):

 

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For the Ryzen 7 lineup, AMD is keeping this for the 8-core versions. These CPUs only have a single chiplet inside, and no dummy chiplet. Of the two CPUs in this segment, the one that gets a big shock from us is actually the cheaper model.

 

 


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1 minute ago, IAmAndre said:

So is it game over for Intel?

They have lost their last advantage and that's the IPC. I bet we are going to see some rushed panic launches in the near future.

I really hope AMD is saving their 16c monster for when Intel tries to respond, only to further humiliate them.

 

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3 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

 

GN may mean the PUBG benchmark here. 


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12 minutes ago, RotoCoreOne said:

Think they were comparing price points there, i was confused too and then they did the comparison between 3800x and 9900k which im sure the 3700x performs similarly to the 3800x

But the 9700K costs what the 3800X will so they weren't comparing similarly priced CPUs.  

 

Honestly, I'm just hoping that with that stupid low 65W TDP for the 3700X means you can actually expect some decent overclocking out of it.  It's 40W less than the 3800X with very similar speeds.  

 

 


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1 minute ago, SenioRR said:

They have lost their last advantage and that's the IPC. I bet we are going to see some rushed panic launches in the near future.

I really hope AMD is saving their 16c monster for when Intel tries to respond, only to further humiliate them.

 

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Last they panic launched a product, it was the i9 lineup after the first generation Ryzen. I don't know maybe we'll see something like that.

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Given the extremely similar spec on 3700x and 3800x, i'd assume 3800x is just a better binned 3700x, which makes 3700x having very little headroom for overclocking.

Aside from that, i think 3700x is the best bet for regular users, while 3800x and 3900x should be better for overclock users.

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7 minutes ago, Stroal said:

Hadn’t seen the press release when I wrote that. Ryzen 5 wasn’t mentioned in the keynote. 


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Looks like they skipped a 10C/20T chip lol


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18 minutes ago, SenioRR said:

They have lost their last advantage and that's the IPC.

  1. Intel has a clock advantage. The difference between Ryzen 1/2 IPC and Skylake+ IPC is not exactly huge.
  2. No one should believe AMD's IPC claims until verified by MULTIPLE independent sources. Intel has claimed multiple times to have a 15% single core performance increases between generations since Haswell and not once has it actually been true.

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Just now, YoloSwag said:

Looks like they skipped a 10C/20T chip lol

There’s a good reason for that, actually! It’s down to the chiplet design. 12 core is two 6 core chiplets, and a potential 16 core is two 8 core chiplets. 


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Just now, YoloSwag said:

Looks like they skipped a 10C/20T chip lol

AMD does their core jumps in multiples of 2 for single die, 4 for twin die (basically one core per CCX is active on Zen/Zen+ and currently no reason to assume that changed). Assuming that it's still a 4C CCX, that means single dies can come in 2/4/6/8 variations and twin dies can come in 4/8/12/16.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
Just now, Drak3 said:

AMD does their core jumps in multiples of 2 for single die, 4 for twin die (basically one core per CCX is active on Zen/Zen+ and currently no reason to assume that changed). Assuming that it's still a 4C CCX, that means single dies can come in 2/4/6/8 variations and twin dies can come in 4/8/12/16.

Ryzen 7's seem to be single chiplet, so that means that 8 core CCX, meaning that the 16 core will come out later.

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2 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

Ryzen 7's seem to be single chiplet, so that means that 8 core CCX, meaning that the 16 core will come out later.

CCX and chiplets are not the same thing.


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9 minutes ago, melete said:

There’s a good reason for that, actually! It’s down to the chiplet design. 12 core is two 6 core chiplets, and a potential 16 core is two 8 core chiplets. 

 

9 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

a chiplet with 5 active cores is... strange? o_o

 

9 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

AMD does their core jumps in multiples of 2 for single die, 4 for twin die (basically one core per CCX is active on Zen/Zen+ and currently no reason to assume that changed). Assuming that it's still a 4C CCX, that means single dies can come in 2/4/6/8 variations and twin dies can come in 4/8/12/16.

 

It was meant as a joke... really.


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You can act like someone you're not, but that won't change who you are.

 

Finished Crysis without a discrete GPU,15 FPS average, and a lot of heart

 

How I plan my builds -

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For me I start with the "There's no way I'm not gonna spend $1,000 on a system."

Followed by the "Wow I need to buy the OS for a $100!?"

Then "Let's start with the 'best budget GPU' and 'best budget CPU' that actually fits what I think is my budget."

Realizing my budget is a lot less, I work my way to "I think these new games will run on a cheap ass CPU."

Then end with "The new parts launching next year is probably gonna be better and faster for the same price so I'll just buy next year."

 

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@Origami Cactus

Think of it this way:

You have the standard monolithic die. Everything in one piece of uniform silicon.

 

Stitch multiple dies together, you get an MCM.

 

Take the monolithic die, and make it take on some characteristics of MCM (separating cores and resources like cache, but still working together via interconnects), but keep it one physical die, one piece of silicon, and you have a non standard monolithic die. You have a multi CCX die.

 

Now, take certain resources, like cores and cache, and split them from other resources, like IMC and PCIe controllers, and have them all on the same substrate as separate dies, you get chiplets.


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Have they absolutely confirmed that the 3800x is a single chiplet part?

 

If it is 2x 4 core chiplets that would largely explain the significantly higher power draw, as well as make it actually make sense as a product; spreading out the heat would likely make OCing easier, and it's possible that it's easier to bin two chiplets for half quality cores than trying to get one chiplet that has all 8 quality cores.

 

I know the presentation sort of implied that the 12 core was the only one with 2 chiplets, but I'm pretty sure that it was never outright said that that was the case.

 

EDIT: I missed that link to the Anandtech article that claims it is only one chiplet. Seems like my theory may be wrong, but I still wouldn't be surprised if they got that from the way the presentation was shown and not necessarily from inside info. Hopefully we get an actual die shot at some point relatively soon.

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