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WAN Show is too damn quiet

wojtepanik
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I would like to make a little complain about WAN Show audio. Audio levels are just too low, but sometimes, especially when @Slick is laughing, it is wayyy to loud and not comfortable to listen, can you do something about it? :/ Maybe if enough peps agree with me, someone like @LinusTech or @nicklmg will notice. cheers !

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1 hour ago, manikyath said:

they really need an audio guy on the team.. they've done vareous types of "something" about it in the past, but over time it tends to "undo" itself.

It is sad, that with all that gear they can't set it up properly :/

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1 hour ago, manikyath said:

they really need an audio guy on the team.. they've done vareous types of "something" about it in the past, but over time it tends to "undo" itself.

lavalier microphone and audio compressor would do the job 

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1 minute ago, wojtepanik said:

It is sad, that with all that gear they can't set it up properly :/

What do you expect? 

 

They aren't audio engineers... 

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Just now, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

What do you expect? 

 

They aren't audio engineers... 

so they need to hire one, or learn how to do it properly ? it is not rocket science, on this level eveything should be at least on a decent level.

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2 minutes ago, wojtepanik said:

so they need to hire one, or learn how to do it properly ? it is not rocket science, on this level eveything should be at least on a decent level.

I never understand what people are talking about when they complain about WAN show audio. Sure, there have been a few times when maybe it was out of sync, or they forgot to turn on the mic, but I have watched every wan show since they started and I've never had an issue. 

 

You guys must have some funky setups because I don't know what your all complaining about

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1 minute ago, 13CA350 said:

I never understand what people are talking about when they complain about WAN show audio. Sure, there have been a few times when maybe it was out of sync, or they forgot to turn on the mic, but I have watched every wan show since they started and I've never had an issue. 

 

You guys must have some funky setups because I don't know what your all complaining about

quality is fine, just a bit louder...

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24 minutes ago, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

What do you expect? 

 

They aren't audio engineers... 

They don't have to be.

 

At one point, I think it was Focusrite gave them the gear and even sent someone around to set it up for them. All they had to do was NOT TOUCH IT. Of course, Linus took it apart shortly after... because reasons.

7 minutes ago, 13CA350 said:

I never understand what people are talking about when they complain about WAN show audio. Sure, there have been a few times when maybe it was out of sync, or they forgot to turn on the mic, but I have watched every wan show since they started and I've never had an issue. 

 

You guys must have some funky setups because I don't know what your all complaining about

Digital sound has a finite range that is represented. Generally you want it to be loud enough for use but not so loud you reach the limit and clip, causing distortion. The other way, if you're too quiet you introduce quantisation noise. Plus, not every has an amp with infinite range to try and bring it up to normal, and you run the risk of normal level sounds blowing your ears off once you have turned it up.

 

Recent Wan shows I'd rate as low side of normal but ok. Earlier in the year they had a period when it was way too low. I had to download it, stick over 20dB gain on it to get it remotely near normal. That's not just a bit quiet, it is totally wrong. Even if they mess up the live broadcast, they really should fix it in post for the uploaded version.

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21 minutes ago, porina said:

They don't have to be.

 

At one point, I think it was Focusrite gave them the gear and even sent someone around to set it up for them. All they had to do was NOT TOUCH IT. Of course, Linus took it apart shortly after... because reasons.

Digital sound has a finite range that is represented. Generally you want it to be loud enough for use but not so loud you reach the limit and clip, causing distortion. The other way, if you're too quiet you introduce quantisation noise. Plus, not every has an amp with infinite range to try and bring it up to normal, and you run the risk of normal level sounds blowing your ears off once you have turned it up.

 

Recent Wan shows I'd rate as low side of normal but ok. Earlier in the year they had a period when it was way too low. I had to download it, stick over 20dB gain on it to get it remotely near normal. That's not just a bit quiet, it is totally wrong. Even if they mess up the live broadcast, they really should fix it in post for the uploaded version.

i listen to wan show in my car via fm transmitter and when I set decent level to hear anything introduces a lot of white noise, when google voice from maps kicks in, I bleed from my ears

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2 hours ago, manikyath said:

they really need an audio guy on the team.. they've done vareous types of "something" about it in the past, but over time it tends to "undo" itself.

Honestly the best audio was back in the house. They are using a condenser mic for more than one person that's far away. They either need everyone to use a mic or use a different mic

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17 hours ago, wojtepanik said:

so they need to hire one, or learn how to do it properly ? it is not rocket science, on this level eveything should be at least on a decent level.

They need producer. A person who sits behind camera and makes sure everything works during the show. I've been asking this since they started modern WAN style. Linus has talked about them hiring producer and joked about it. So atm I'm not sure if he's being serious or not about them liking WAN show as this bad "news" show which never is what its actually supposed to be.

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I love how really serious and active forum users got involved in this post, I hope it could make a change, maybe we should get toghether and find better way to contact lmg?

 

 

 

1 hour ago, LoGiCalDrm said:

They need producer. A person who sits behind camera and makes sure everything works during the show. I've been asking this since they started modern WAN style. Linus has talked about them hiring producer and joked about it. So atm I'm not sure if he's being serious or not about them liking WAN show as this bad "news" show which never is what its actually supposed to be.

17 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Honestly the best audio was back in the house. They are using a condenser mic for more than one person that's far away. They either need everyone to use a mic or use a different mic

 

18 hours ago, porina said:

They don't have to be.

 

At one point, I think it was Focusrite gave them the gear and even sent someone around to set it up for them. All they had to do was NOT TOUCH IT. Of course, Linus took it apart shortly after... because reasons.

Digital sound has a finite range that is represented. Generally you want it to be loud enough for use but not so loud you reach the limit and clip, causing distortion. The other way, if you're too quiet you introduce quantisation noise. Plus, not every has an amp with infinite range to try and bring it up to normal, and you run the risk of normal level sounds blowing your ears off once you have turned it up.

 

Recent Wan shows I'd rate as low side of normal but ok. Earlier in the year they had a period when it was way too low. I had to download it, stick over 20dB gain on it to get it remotely near normal. That's not just a bit quiet, it is totally wrong. Even if they mess up the live broadcast, they really should fix it in post for the uploaded version.

 

18 hours ago, 13CA350 said:

I never understand what people are talking about when they complain about WAN show audio. Sure, there have been a few times when maybe it was out of sync, or they forgot to turn on the mic, but I have watched every wan show since they started and I've never had an issue. 

 

You guys must have some funky setups because I don't know what your all complaining about

 

18 hours ago, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

What do you expect? 

 

They aren't audio engineers... 

 

20 hours ago, manikyath said:

they really need an audio guy on the team.. they've done vareous types of "something" about it in the past, but over time it tends to "undo" itself.

 

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6 minutes ago, wojtepanik said:

I love how really serious and active forum users got involved in this post, I hope it could make a change, maybe we should get toghether and find better way to contact lmg?

trust me, they're very much aware

 

it's mostly a matter of a lack of time and know-how within the LMG team.

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43 minutes ago, wojtepanik said:

I love how really serious and active forum users got involved in this post, I hope it could make a change, maybe we should get toghether and find better way to contact lmg?

Better than whining about it every week on forums? They are aware. We don't even need to tag them to this post. But its more about what I said in earlier post. At this point Linus is not considering WAN to be high priority when making investments. The current audio system they have is there only because they got sponsored. And they F-d it up when they made set to be in the middle of path to storage are at the other unit.

 

They would need to re-intent show to make things better. Create whole dedicated set for livestreams, fix concept of the show itself and appoint a person to monitor stream output so that hosts don't need to have backward moments checking if everything is working. Its not even that hard as they already do pretty decent live builds and teardowns time to time. With "producer" (Colton or Nick usually) who read chat and pass it forward and working setup (Anthony or Jake has been seen behind it), like during MSI Dragon unboxing.

 

 

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47 minutes ago, manikyath said:

trust me, they're very much aware

 

it's mostly a matter of a lack of time and know-how within the LMG team.

It can't be that hard.  Its been like 5 years

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2 minutes ago, Yoinkerman said:

It can't be that hard.  Its been like 5 years

 

8 minutes ago, LoGiCalDrm said:

Better than whining about it every week on forums? They are aware. We don't even need to tag them to this post. But its more about what I said in earlier post. At this point Linus is not considering WAN to be high priority when making investments. The current audio system they have is there only because they got sponsored. And they F-d it up when they made set to be in the middle of path to storage are at the other unit.

 

They would need to re-intent show to make things better. Create whole dedicated set for livestreams, fix concept of the show itself and appoint a person to monitor stream output so that hosts don't need to have backward moments checking if everything is working. Its not even that hard as they already do pretty decent live builds and teardowns time to time. With "producer" (Colton or Nick usually) who read chat and pass it forward and working setup (Anthony or Jake has been seen behind it), like during MSI Dragon unboxing.

 

 

sure, those live streams run by @nicklmg are always nice, without issues, using off-camera gear is not in any sponsor's intrest, what it would bring to them? There is already a dedicated set and server just for streaming, only audio needs tweaking, I would love to hear any official info from any LMG staff... @GabenJr @LinusTech

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24 minutes ago, Yoinkerman said:

It can't be that hard.  Its been like 5 years

Its not hard to set it up, its hard to get it right though. 

The amount of hours that I spent playing with a sound desk to get actors voices to sound natural makes me cry. Many people in the theatre / music industry call sound black magic, unless you understand how it works its very hard to learn. Them having a mixture of hosts, and only one mic means that you can't calibrate the settings to the person, it has to be a general setting

Some of their levels are pretty off, their intro needs to be tuned down, I don't know what the setup for the desk is though, if they have all of the stuff for the stream PC going into one XLR to the desk, or if they have separated out the channels. 

Also the bass pot needs to be tuned down a bit for the intro, something is not right with that. 

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On 11/24/2018 at 12:38 PM, wojtepanik said:

I would like to make a little complain

There is alot more to complain about with ltt, a lot more. But the audio people can deal with, its the yt'ers who upload a video and only have one side going. Had a few of them last night on the tv.

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You guys are going to hate Linus's Q&A then xD

 

It can be annoying, but it's never overly bothered me. Just means I have to change the volume on my device ?‍♂️

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6 minutes ago, N1NJ4W4RR10R said:

You guys are going to hate Linus's Q&A then xD

 

It can be annoying, but it's never overly bothered me. Just means I have to change the volume on my device ?‍♂️

as I said, on my PC with headphones and good speakers/audio setup it is not an issue, but in my car where audio is worse, it brings a lot of noise and is impractical to listen

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2 minutes ago, wojtepanik said:

as I said, on my PC with headphones and good speakers/audio setup it is not an issue, but in my car where audio is worse, it brings a lot of noise and is impractical to listen

I can see that being an issue for sure. 

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Ive complained about the audio-levels on the WAN-show several times in the past. It's annoying to have to crank the volume up a lot so I can hear them, because then all the other sounds on my PC are too loud. I don't have to crank volume up for any other Youtube-videos, they're all just fine and it's just the WAN-show that's way too quiet.

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1 minute ago, WereCatf said:

Ive complained about the audio-levels on the WAN-show several times in the past. It's annoying to have to crank the volume up a lot so I can hear them, because then all the other sounds on my PC are too loud. I don't have to crank volume up for any other Youtube-videos, they're all just fine and it's just the WAN-show that's way too quiet.

what shall we do? spamming tags on the forum ? writting emails ? starting change.org petition ?

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1 minute ago, wojtepanik said:

what shall we do? spamming tags on the forum ? writting emails ? starting change.org petition ?

I recommend torches and pitchforks.

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