3DMark score for RTX 2080 Ti leaks

[Madgemade]

1 hour ago, CTR640 said:

I couldn't care less about all that RT bullcrap and it looks like nVidia wants to shove RT forcibly deep in our throats.

Well fuck that, I'm not gonna spend all that cash on 2080Ti. I'll be upgrading to 1080Ti from 780 and will be using the 1080Ti for 4 years like I do with my current GPU. The crazy prices pushed me away from RTX bullshit.

Don't upgrade just yet. Once RTX is on the shelves the 1080 ti will drop in price even more. Its going down already. Be careful though as Nvidia will want old 1080 ti stock GONE. They don't want anyone to find a 1080 ti cheaper than 2080 non ti. Because we know now that 1080ti > 2080 which makes them look bad if the 2080 is priced higher.

 

Right now on newegg the 1080 ti is $150 LESS than the 2080. 1080ti 2080

Yes the 1080ti doesn't have ray tracing. BUT ray tracing on the 2080 ti can only just handle 1080p. So after the magic post release drivers come the 2080 will maybe just be able to ray trace at 1080p.

 

Pretty much right now if you don't want ray tracing then get 1080 ti. 2070 and 2080 are crazy until the 1080 ti is out of stock or gets a price bump. Which Nvidia may do if too many smart people just buy it instead.

[SolarNova]

Current information available puts the 2080 at 'around' 5% more powerful than the 1080ti at 'roughly' the same price. (stock for stock)

The 2080 is imo a possible choice for those who want to upgrade from anything below a 1080ti.

 

For those on a 1080ti however, the only option is the 2080ti, which unfortunatly is priced like a Titan, whether it is a Titan with the label of a 2080ti or not is irrelivant.

 

IMO, at current price points the 2080ti is a non starter, no point even considering it, those that do obviosly would have had no issue in the past buying a Titan, so good for them all the power them but we talking two completly different consumer groups at that point  

 

For the average enthusiast gamer, top end non Titan cards are the ones we look at, and 'average' prices for those have always been around $750 'if' you adjust previous prices for inflation. if you ignore inflation the prices have always been between $500 and $800. (i 6800 GT period to GTX 1080ti period)

 

So with that said, the 2080 is the top card that wil be on offer , and its effectivly a 1080ti so ...yea... with the info available atm the 2000 series looks to be a dud.

[jasonc_01]

I just ran Time Spy and got a 10827 graphics score, that only puts a 2080ti 18.5% ahead of my 1080ti. A tad disappointing for almost double the price. 

 

I think like others have said, TURING IS PASCAL. Pascal with RT and Tensor cores stapled to it. Look at the performance metrics they used at launch, completely new metrics yet ignoring standard ones like FPS that if anyone recalls the Pascal launch were omnipresent  

 

There is basically no per core performance improvement, its just 21.4% more Cuda cores of the Pascal flavor but on the 12nm node instead of 16nm. Same memory config save that there using GDDR6, which to me was pretty head scratching that we saw the 11gb Vram return for a second go at the top tier.

 

This is Nvidia releasing a "new" product solely on consumer demand for something "new" and shiny after 2+ years to spend money on.

 

It makes great business sense, imagine the internal conversation with Jen Hsun to create "Turing". "Ok guys lets take Pascals architecture and increase the Cuda count 20%-25% but were going to take it to the 12nm node, then I want to take our tensor AI cores and use them two fold. One set I want to teach them to do low resolution super sampling and another set I'd like to see if we can adapt them to achieve real time ray tracing in some capacity". Something to this effect.

 

6-12 months later we have the 20 series with Turing architecture, and i'd bet that the Turing we are seeing today is not what was planned or developed. Its a direct cause of AMD graphics being very little if any competition over the last 3+ years and market demand for "new" and shiny. So why not maximize profit and ROI with an Nvidia style refresh (I guess cause AMD does straight re-brands) and save the next gen bullets? Not to mention charge a premium for it because of the huge vacuum in the graphics space. 

 

This just puts AMD further behind with Nvidia able to save the Turing bullet to now be released as Ampere. I thought they were one full generation release ahead and in there back pocket, but now I think its at least two. 

 

Call me crazy but that's how I see it.

 

[Bouzoo]

Sounds like they need to drop it down a number, 2070 -> 2060, 2080 -> 2070, 2080Ti -> 2080. Problem and all expectations solved.

[Carclis]

1 minute ago, Bouzoo said:

Sounds like they need to drop it down a number, 2070 -> 2060, 2080 -> 2070, 2080Ti -> 2080. Problem and all expectations solved.

Price?

[oh,hi there]

atleast maybe the 10 series will lower down... maybe

[Madgemade]

Just now, oh,hi there said:

atleast maybe the 10 series will lower down... maybe

Maybe?? It has dropped hard already. 1080ti is cheaper than 2080. By $150!!

Newegg:

1080 - $430

1080ti - $650

 

2080 - $790

 

Will only drop further. Nvidia needs the old 10xx stock GONE. At these prices they will not be selling 20xx series as well.

[Bouzoo]

9 minutes ago, Carclis said:

Price?

Oh right, that as well. Big price drop. Forgot about that.

[SolarNova]

10 minutes ago, oh,hi there said:

atleast maybe the 10 series will lower down... maybe

Well considering in the UK you can get a new 1080ti for around £630, and the 2080's are at lowest £715, going by currently available performance figures, the 1080ti's will sell, the 2080 wont. Atleast with regard to informed people. There will always be the ill informed just buying what ever is new or has a higher number in the name.

 

I 'hope' the 2080 turns out to perform better than what has been leaked so far.

 

IF i was to buy a card right now and the 2080 was available and performed as currently expected (~5% over 1080ti), i would buy a used 1080ti.

 

 

[oh,hi there]

sad this is that the 10 series chips wont be made anymore

[jasonc_01]

5 hours ago, SolarNova said:

Well considering in the UK you can get a new 1080ti for around £630, and the 2080's are at lowest £715, going by currently available performance figures, the 1080ti's will sell, the 2080 wont. Atleast with regard to informed people. There will always be the ill informed just buying what ever is new or has a higher number in the name.

 

I 'hope' the 2080 turns out to perform better than what has been leaked so far.

 

 

Just a thought, so 2080ti leaked 35% performance improvement over the 1080ti in time spy. That's with over 20% more cuda cores and a node shrink.

 

the 2080 has 18% less cuda cores than the 1080ti. hmmmmm

[SolarNova]

8 minutes ago, jasonc_01 said:

Just a thought, so 2080ti leaked 35% performance improvement over the 1080ti in time spy. That's with almost 30% more cuda cores and a node shrink.

 

the 2080 has 18% less cuda cores than the 1080ti. hmmmmm

2080 performance has been leaked already. Is roughly 5% faster than a 1080ti. Stock for stock.

10,030 vs 9,508 in TimeSpy.

 

It is a 'leak' so take it with a grain of salt, though untill somthing comes out to state otherwise this is the best we have as far as i know.

Couple this with Nvifda stating the 20 series is 35-45% more powerful than previous gen (assume 35%, you know they cherry pick and exaggerate), then it makes sense. A 2080 being 35% faster than a 1080 puts it about 5% faster than a 1080ti which matches up with the TimeSpy leak.

[rawrdaysgoby]

I wish they make some none ray tracing cards and drop the price back to what it was ....

[pas008]

1 hour ago, rawrdaysgoby said:

I wish they make some none ray tracing cards and drop the price back to what it was ....

Why can't i get nvenc less gpu

Or igpu less mainstream cpu 

Or why can't i have less vram card 

Or why should i have to pay for chipset features i don't need

Or why can't i have rgb less newer products

Or why do i have to pay for software features that don't apply to me

Oh wait that's what happens moving forward with tech some are short term some make it long term and some get dropped totally like hddvd

 

And they Have non rt cards 1k and below for now

 

 

[mr moose]

10 hours ago, EOZ said:

Answer is very simple if you are dumb Just buy it! That's just a standard for those sheeps who do not know prices at the performance levels.

What standard? what sheep?  we have already explained that insulting trying to make claims about it being shit without decent benchmarks is as "stupid" and "sheeps" like as those who try to claim it's over priced for the same reasons.

 

5 hours ago, SolarNova said:

2080 performance has been leaked already. Is roughly 5% faster than a 1080ti. Stock for stock.

10,030 vs 9,508 in TimeSpy.

 

It is a 'leak' so take it with a grain of salt, though untill somthing comes out to state otherwise this is the best we have as far as i know.

Couple this with Nvifda stating the 20 series is 35-45% more powerful than previous gen (assume 35%, you know they cherry pick and exaggerate), then it makes sense. A 2080 being 35% faster than a 1080 puts it about 5% faster than a 1080ti which matches up with the TimeSpy leak.

Exactly, on the information we have the 2080 is a bit faster than the 1080ti has all the new tech and for that you pay $100 more.  People are carrying on like nvidia has just had a shit on their keyboard.

 

 

 

[CTR640]

6 hours ago, Madgemade said:

Don't upgrade just yet. Once RTX is on the shelves the 1080 ti will drop in price even more. Its going down already. Be careful though as Nvidia will want old 1080 ti stock GONE. They don't want anyone to find a 1080 ti cheaper than 2080 non ti. Because we know now that 1080ti > 2080 which makes them look bad if the 2080 is priced higher.

 

Right now on newegg the 1080 ti is $150 LESS than the 2080. 1080ti 2080

Yes the 1080ti doesn't have ray tracing. BUT ray tracing on the 2080 ti can only just handle 1080p. So after the magic post release drivers come the 2080 will maybe just be able to ray trace at 1080p.

 

Pretty much right now if you don't want ray tracing then get 1080 ti. 2070 and 2080 are crazy until the 1080 ti is out of stock or gets a price bump. Which Nvidia may do if too many smart people just buy it instead.

I really don't want ray tracing and couldn't care less for it. And 2080Ti can only just handle ray tracing on 1080p? Well, like I haven't been doing that for the past 4 years. When I upgrade to a new GPU, I want to game on 1440p or higher. 2080Ti simply is not worth at all. I'll wait a month or two because the retailers here are a cancer, still greedy and the prices still higher than 2 years ago.

[SolarNova]

8 minutes ago, mr moose said:

What standard? what sheep?  we have already explained that insulting trying to make claims about it being shit without decent benchmarks is as "stupid" and "sheeps" like as those who try to claim it's over priced for the same reasons.

 

Exactly, on the information we have the 2080 is a bit faster than the 1080ti has all the new tech and for that you pay $100 more.  People are carrying on like nvidia has just had a shit on their keyboard.

 

 

 

Indeed, with more calm thought on the matter the 2080 isnt exactly bad. Especialy if it can produce more than the 5% difference we see in the info available atm. if it cant its kinda meh but still.

 

The problem lies in that the 20 series has no other offering for the right price that succeeds the 1080ti. The 2080 is fine even if its as good or only 5% better than the 1080ti as it has those extra features, im sure prices will normalize to where the 1080ti was/is around $700 depending on the aftermarket edition you get.

 

The main issue is simply down to the fact that the 2080 is where it is, and the 2080ti is priced like a Titan. There is no other option. Nobody, who was not ok with buying a Titan in the past, is going to pay for a 2080ti. Those that run a 1080ti atm who want an upgrade, are not going to get it, so people are tad salty that this new series has nothing to realisticaly offer "based on currently available info".

[SolarNova]

4 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Do you even know the source of this leak?   It's literally some guy sending a picture to video-cardz, a really bad picture, and he said he'd confirm it very soon.  It's been several days, and he never confirmed it was true.  Just saying.  The other source, again, is shittech.  That's not really credible.

Hey listen its all i've seen and if it turns out ot be a load of crap ill happily change my opinion, but bassedo n whats currently available, those are my thoughts.

Nvidia's offical posts, + that 'shady' leak match up, so it is what it is.

[Taf the Ghost]

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

The current information is what?...Shittech, a shady ass picture on Twitter that the sender never confirmed to be accurate, a Turkish youtube channel that took down the video and was only doing it for views, and assumptions off Nvidia's claims?  I'm not defending Nvidia here, but none of that is really credible information.   

Per VideoCardz, no one outside of a few people has a current driver. So even the leaks aren't really that believable. 

 

However, we've got enough information from Nvidia to predict how these things are going to turn out. We know CUDA core counters & we've seen what the memory I/O improvements can do at 4K. It's not the hardest thing to predict the performance results. You're looking around 20-25% per category at 1080p and 1440p, and a bit more at 4K, in the places that were memory bottlenecked. 

 

If you buy leading edge tech or you're upgrading from a 900-series, you'll get a good purchase. If you're on 1000-series, you're going to be paying a lot for not a lot of uplift, unless you can resell your current GPU well. 

[mr moose]

2 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

Indeed, with more calm thought on the matter the 2080 isnt exactly bad. Especialy if it can produce more than the 5% difference we see in the info available atm. if it cant its kinda meh but still.

 

The problem lies in that the 20 series has no other offering for the right price that succeeds the 1080ti. The 2080 is fine even if its as good or only 5% better than the 1080ti as it has those extra features, im sure prices will normalize to where the 1080ti was/is around $700 depending on the aftermarket edition you get.

 

The main issue is simply down to the fact that the 2080 is where it is, and the 2080ti is priced like a Titan. There is no other option. Nobody, who was not ok with buying a Titan in the past, is going to pay for a 2080ti. Those that run a 1080ti atm who want an upgrade, are not going to get it, so people are tad salty that this new series has nothing to realisticaly offer "based on currently available info".

Yes,  And I think it is important to note in all these threads regarding the new cards I haven't seen a single person recommend or talk about the 2080ti as if it is a valid product for gaming/enthusiast (just like no really promoted the Titan as being a valid gaming product even though it was always marketed as one).

 

I find it amusing that for a tech enthusiast forum, there are quite a few who don't seem to understand tech.

[Taf the Ghost]

7 minutes ago, CTR640 said:

I really don't want ray tracing and couldn't care less for it. And 2080Ti can only just handle ray tracing on 1080p? Well, like I haven't been doing that for the past 4 years. When I upgrade to a new GPU, I want to game on 1440p or higher. 2080Ti simply is not worth at all. I'll wait a month or two because the retailers here are a cancer, still greedy and the prices still higher than 2 years ago.

We can reasonably predict the 2080 Ti is the first real 1440p/144 Hz GPU, in modern titles. The 20% more CUDA cores and 25% faster memory will do that alone. 4K / 144 Hz is probably 2 more full generations away, though. (Good thing, as monitors aren't even ready.)

[CTR640]

6 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

The 2080ti is worth it, but it's not worth it for you.  There are plenty of people who will benefit from it.  However, if you want raw performance for an upgrade you're probably better waiting on Navi or Vega 20.

What you mean with raw performance on Navi or Vega 20?

[mr moose]

2 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Per VideoCardz, no one outside of a few people has a current driver. So even the leaks aren't really that believable. 

 

However, we've got enough information from Nvidia to predict how these things are going to turn out. We know CUDA core counters & we've seen what the memory I/O improvements can do at 4K. It's not the hardest thing to predict the performance results. You're looking around 20-25% per category at 1080p and 1440p, and a bit more at 4K, in the places that were memory bottlenecked. 

 

If you buy leading edge tech or you're upgrading from a 900-series, you'll get a good purchase. If you're on 1000-series, you're going to be paying a lot for not a lot of uplift, unless you can resell your current GPU well. 

I would say anyone who has pre ordered is doing so mainly on faith or they don't actually care how the card performs, they want the latest and that's what they'll get. 

 

But lets be real here for a minute, of all the GPUs released over the last 2 decades, is there one that was so bad you would have regretted buying it on release?  I don't think there is, sure there are some that are 5% slower and some that where maybe 10% more expensive, but over the course of 2 years ownership I haven't seen a top end card be such a bad buy. 

[SolarNova]

4 minutes ago, mr moose said:

I would say anyone who has pre ordered is doing so mainly on faith or they don't actually care how the card performs, they want the latest and that's what they'll get. 

 

But lets be real here for a minute, of all the GPUs released over the last 2 decades, is there one that was so bad you would have regretted buying it on release?  I don't think there is, sure there are some that are 5% slower and some that where maybe 10% more expensive, but over the course of 2 years ownership I haven't seen a top end card be such a bad buy. 

9800 GTX.

it was basicaly a overlcoked 8800GTX and came very close the 200 series launch. While it was cheap, any1 coming from a 8800GTX would have been crying. Atleats thats what i recall.

[CTR640]

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

Turing is raytracing focused, Navi and Vega 20 are the next cards coming out from AMD.  I don't think the primary focus is raytracing.  Raw performance meaning they're focusing more on a performance increase than Turing is. That's why if you're disappointed with Turing those cards might be more ideal for you.  But, that's just an assumption because AMD is being silent about the cards.

Ah I see. Then it will be 1080Ti or AMD's next gen GPU's but that will probably take longer unfortunately.