New AMD performance projection from AMD CTO

[Fasauceome]

Apparently, the 7nm node will double the efficiency of ryzen

 

If this is actually true, will Intel no longer be king of single threaded? If it's not true, what do you guys think is a more accurate projection?

 

Also, no "Intel will always be ahead" nonsense. There's no reason to declare that the market will always be one way until the end of time, especially with Intel stuck on that 14 nm node.

 

 

Link to the article:

https://www.crn.com/slide-shows/components-peripherals/amd-cto-we-now-have-a-razor-s-edge-to-fight-against-intel/2

[S w a t s o n]

7nm is a very very good node in general, not just for Ryzen, though I fully expect my next build to be 7nm Ryzen or Threadripper unless Intel manages to get 10nm working and prices it well (NOT GONNA HAPPEN LUL)

[GoldenLag]

They are talking of performance per watt. Something important for Vega and Ryzen in enterprise applications, but for regular consumers it doesnt speak of what the actual performance is.

 

Its nothing to start a hypetrain over, the only question is if Ryzen does the rumoured 5GHZ under 7nm

[S w a t s o n]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

They are talking of performance per watt. Something important for Vega and Ryzen in enterprise applications, but for regular consumers it doesnt speak of what the actual performance is.

 

Its nothing to start a hypetrain over, the only question is if Ryzen does the rumoured 5GHZ under 7nm

He did say "double the efficiency", though the article itself does have some perf projections

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

If AMD gets up to 5GhZ OC range on 7nm Ryzen then Intel doesn't stand a chance

[Fasauceome]

4 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

They are talking of performance per watt. Something important for Vega and Ryzen in enterprise applications, but for regular consumers it doesnt speak of what the actual performance is.

 

Its nothing to start a hypetrain over, the only question is if Ryzen does the rumoured 5GHZ under 7nm

If double the performance per watt extends to the regular desktop CPUs, then with the same wattage, theoretically an excess of 6GHz would be possible. Since this doesn't sound all that likely in one microarchitecture generation, imagine something like a 5GHz base chip with 2/3 the required power of the last generation. Now that's a more realistic efficiency bump.

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

He did say "double the efficiency", though the article itself does have some perf projections

True, though the OP in the second paragraph seemed to have missunderstood it for actual performance. Also im just hopikg to stop others from thinking so aswell.

6 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

7nm is a very very good node in general, not just for Ryzen, though I fully expect my next build to be 7nm Ryzen or Threadripper unless Intel manages to get 10nm working and prices it well (NOT GONNA HAPPEN LUL)

Which is could grab a new CPU, but i need to fix my mediocre GPU first

[Fasauceome]

Just now, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

If AMD gets up to 5GhZ OC range on 7nm Ryzen then Intel doesn't stand a chance

maybe not even OC if these figures are to be believed.

[GoldenLag]

Just now, fasauceome said:

If double the performance per watt extends to the regular desktop CPUs, then with the same wattage, theoretically an excess of 6GHz would be possible. Since this doesn't sound all that likely in one microarchitecture generation, imagine something like a 5GHz base chip with 2/3 the required power of the last generation. Now that's a more realistic efficiency bump.

5GHZ is a projection by what the fabs themselves expect. 6GHZ is rather difficult and i wouldnt be surprised to wait quite some time before we see that. The CPUs will probably have quite the impressive TDP though. (Hopefully AMD doesnt cheap out and ship the CPUs with stealth coolers)

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

3 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

maybe not even OC if these figures are to be believed.

One million gigahertz...

[S w a t s o n]

5ghz on 32 cores at 250W TDP, GIVE IT TO ME LISA

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

maybe not even OC if these figures are to be believed.

Lets not get hopeful. From what we have seen is that Ryzen has an exponential voltage curve unless going sub-zero. Something might change with 7nm, but im staying somewhat conservative

[Fasauceome]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

Lets not get hopeful. From what we have seen is that Ryzen has an exponential voltage curve unless going sub-zero. Something might change with 7nm, but im staying somewhat conservative

Ultimately this will most likely change my preference on my next laptop. I have an ultra cheap Asus transformer mini, with a diminutive 3 watt atom CPU. A 7nm Ryzen CPU which does 3 watts a whole lot better would really ease some headaches for me, and I look forward to 7nm ryzen shaking up the mobile space that intel has dominated for so long.

[Daegun]

Performance per watt is different as performance doesn't scale straight up like that. For example, vega does amazingly well at lower powers but vega 64 still struggles to hold its own against the 1080. So I don't see this as an announcement of double performance. 

[GoldenLag]

Just now, fasauceome said:

Ultimately this will most likely change my preference on my next laptop. I have an ultra cheap Asus transformer mini, with a diminutive 3 watt atom CPU. A 7nm Ryzen CPU which does 3 watts a whole lot better would really ease some headaches for me, and I look forward to 7nm ryzen shaking up the mobile space that intel has dominated for so long.

Its diffcult for Ryzen to stirr up the mobile space. Especially since ARM just entered. AMD also doesnt have an ultrahigh efficiency, low power iGPU solution, unless they decide to have a 2 CU vega core in there

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Daegun said:

 So I don't see this as an announcement of double performance. 

Its more of a:

Hey-Ho hey-ho where did your enterprise market go?

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

Its diffcult for Ryzen to stirr up the mobile space. Especially since ARM just entered. AMD also doesnt have an ultrahigh efficiency, low power iGPU solution, unless they decide to have a 2 CU vega core in there

As long as it's actual vega this time (which is also moving to 7nm) instead of polaris, I wouldn't mind one bit. Also, what laptops have ARM CPUs in them? I haven't come across one yet.

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

As long as it's actual vega this time (which is also moving to 7nm) instead of polaris, I wouldn't mind one bit. Also, what laptops have ARM CPUs in them? I haven't come across one yet.

Doesnt matter to much if it polaris or Vega. Could be Navi, but is still CGN.

 

A couple of 2in1 laptop/tablets have them. Not to many as 64bit emulation is implemented yet (but is announced). 

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

Doesnt matter to much if it polaris or Vega. Could be Navi, but is still CGN.

 

A couple of 2in1 laptop/tablets have them. Not to many as 64bit emulation is implemented yet (but is announced). 

I'm ready for polaris to go away already. I don't think extending it to 7nm as well will help anything.

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, fasauceome said:

I'm ready for polaris to go away already. I don't think extending it to 7nm as well will help anything.

Probably wont as Navi is the last gen of CGN and more or less a direct replacement to polaris (at least based on rumours)

[Stefan Payne]

12 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Its diffcult for Ryzen to stirr up the mobile space. Especially since ARM just entered. AMD also doesnt have an ultrahigh efficiency, low power iGPU solution, unless they decide to have a 2 CU vega core in there

Not really.

Ryzen is awesome in mobile and also the TDP is used as the industry standard.

 

The Problem are the manufacturers that can't do good AMD Notebooks and the Users that don't want the AMD Notebooks for whatever reasons.

But right now the Ryzen slaps Intel left and right, are cheaper, have a decent Graphics unit...

[GoldenLag]

16 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Not really.

Ryzen is awesome in mobile and also the TDP is used as the industry standard.

 

The Problem are the manufacturers that can't do good AMD Notebooks and the Users that don't want the AMD Notebooks for whatever reasons.

But right now the Ryzen slaps Intel left and right, are cheaper, have a decent Graphics unit...

The issue isnt TDP. The issue is idle powerconsumption, boost clocks and very low power graphics (and intel is very good at all of these). As good as Ryzen is. Up untill now it hasnt been the best laptop choice. 

[Stefan Payne]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

The issue isnt TDP. The issue is idle powerconsumption, boost clocks and very low power graphics (and intel is very good at all of these). As good as Ryzen is. Up untill now it hasnt been the best laptop choice. 

many of those things are skewd by shitty batteries on AMD side.

 

You often see shit like 70Wh battery on Intel and 45Wh on AMD or similar shit to make the Intels look better.

[Nicnac]

when is 7nm ryzen projected to launch?

 

Ryzen 2? 3000 series?

[Quadriplegic]

2 minutes ago, Nicnac said:

when is 7nm ryzen projected to launch?

 

Ryzen 2? 3000 series?

Ryzen 2 has already been launched. 

3rd gen Ryzen, Threadripper, 2nd gen Epyc will launch on 7nm. Epyc will launch first.