Report: 2 Major PC Makers Say No To Nvidia GeForce Partner Program

[Lonewolf12016]

Not sure how true this is, but I think Nvidia might have to rethink their program if all partners drop out they will be at a loss.

I know Linus as stated that nvidia in the past havent cared and we lost some really big players in the past, i.e XFX naming one of them.

But if all the major companies drop out and alot of the OEMS also, well put nvidia in a very stiucky situation.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/04/12/2-major-pc-makers-say-no-to-nvidia-geforce-partner-program/#644950b210cd

[TetraSky]

If it's true that Dell and HP are not taking any part in this ridiculous "program", this could indeed be good pressure on Nvidia as they are both major players in Pre-Built systems being sold to the mainstream, potentially cutting off a good portion of Nvidia's revenues.

[AresKrieger]

I don't see how HP and Dell even apply to GPP they aren't board partners so they would not have much benefit from being in it to begin with.

[Ryujin2003]

How much did Nvidia's make from Alienware, Omen, and other Dell and HP gaming brands? If they say no, and Lenovo, Acer, PowerPC, iBuyPower, and anyone else decides to also follow Dell and HP, this could be good. I'm assuming (outside of mining), they sell more cards to OEM than AIB partners?

 

 

HOWEVER.... I don't think that OEM rely on the support and money from Nvidia like AIB partners do, so there might be a split.

 

It would be great since Dell and HP said no, if they leaked the proposed contact deal that Nvidia gave them....

[dizmo]

Just now, AresKrieger said:

I don't see how HP and Dell even apply to GPP they aren't board partners so they would not have much benefit from being in it to begin with.

I thought the same, but apparently they'd be affected when it comes to product discounts.

[Lonewolf12016]

well alienware is owened by Dell, isnt omen owed by HP??

[Ryujin2003]

Just now, AresKrieger said:

I don't see how HP and Dell even apply to GPP they aren't board partners so they would not have much benefit from being in it to begin with.

Because they put Nvidia's cards in the gaming brands. And since they manufacture their own proprietary boards and integrated Nvidia and AMD cards into these boards. That's probably why.

 

Nvidia doesn't want consumers to get confused that Alienware isn't a gaming brand of they incorporate an AMD GPU.

[AresKrieger]

57 minutes ago, dizmo said:

I thought the same, but apparently they'd be affected when it comes to product discounts.

Well if we are talking about their purchase cost that would be applicable (though it wouldn't increase the price, they just wouldn't get new pricing) but if this is referring to rebates and bundling which was mentioned in the report about GPP eh not so much, they bundle their own garbage normally.

 

56 minutes ago, Ryujin2003 said:

Because they put Nvidia's cards in the gaming brands. And since they manufacture their own proprietary boards and integrated Nvidia and AMD cards into these boards. That's probably why.

 

Nvidia doesn't want consumers to get confused that Alienware isn't a gaming brand of they incorporate an AMD GPU.

I meant that they don't receive benefit so why would they join, this has nothing to do with being honorable or some other nonsense notion of integrity they as some might gleam, simply they don't get any noteworthy benefit by joining while the deal would lose them some branding rights, why give something up for nothing.

[Crunchy Dragon]

51 minutes ago, Lonewolf12016 said:

Not sure how true this is, but I think Nvidia might have to rethink their program if all partners drop out they will be at a loss.

I know Linus as stated that nvidia in the past havent cared and we lost some really big players in the past, i.e XFX naming one of them.

But if all the major companies drop out and alot of the OEMS also, well put nvidia in a very stiucky situation.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/04/12/2-major-pc-makers-say-no-to-nvidia-geforce-partner-program/#644950b210cd

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[DrMacintosh]

Remember folks, Nvidia is a GPU manufacturer. Their business is actually on not that big of a scale and is incredibly easy to disrupt. 

 

Vote with your wallets by either not buying team green or if you really need that 1080ti buy one from a board partner that didn’t submit to GPP. 

[GoodBytes]

[laminutederire]

Well that makes sense, Dell lost money and reputation with Intel's practices last time and they stated that it deeply hurt them at the time.

[2FA]

52 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

I don't see how HP and Dell even apply to GPP they aren't board partners so they would not have much benefit from being in it to begin with.

Not board partners in the sense you're thinking but the laptops they make that have the GPU directly soldered to the motherboard are affected I would guess.

[dizmo]

1 hour ago, AresKrieger said:

Well if we are talking about their purchase cost that would be applicable (though it wouldn't increase the price, they just wouldn't get new pricing) but if this is referring to rebates and bundling which was mentioned in the report about GPP eh not so much, they bundle their own garbage normally.

They lose out on engineering support, Nvidia advertising, priority allocation, lower pricing which you can bet affects their bottom line, which will affect their ability to aggressively price their products, which will cost them sales. It will absolutely affect them.

[GoodBytes]

9 minutes ago, dizmo said:

They lose out on engineering support, Nvidia advertising, priority allocation, lower pricing which you can bet affects their bottom line, which will affect their ability to aggressively price their products, which will cost them sales. It will absolutely affect them.

Nah. They'll just equip AMD GPUs in their system. And now with Intel CPU with AMD GPUs in them, it will help further.

[asus killer]

1 hour ago, DrMacintosh said:

Remember folks, Nvidia is a GPU manufacturer. Their business is actually on not that big of a scale and is incredibly easy to disrupt. 

 

Vote with your wallets by either not buying team green or if you really need that 1080ti buy one from a board partner that didn’t submit to GPP. 

Isn't that a little the chicken and the egg problem. If they don't sign for GPP they will not have acess to the gpus so only buying from vendors that didn't sign doesn't work.

[Jumper118]

they should have all said no then nvidia wouldnt have a choice  

[dizmo]

2 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

Nah. They'll just equip AMD GPUs in their system. And now with Intel CPU with AMD GPUs in them, it will help further.

I suppose only time will tell. It's unfortunate that AMD either doesn't have the production capability or desire to get more cards out there.

Their upper end cards are a little lacking as well, and they don't have anything in terms of the mobile space, which Nvidia can also apply pressure to.

[Nicnac]

in the end they said nvidia claimed to have moved on from gpp.... dead on arrival?

[porina]

2 hours ago, asus killer said:

Isn't that a little the chicken and the egg problem. If they don't sign for GPP they will not have acess to the gpus so only buying from vendors that didn't sign doesn't work.

I'm not sure that agrees with my understanding of GPP, which is more like a priority thing. If you sign up for GPP, you allegedly get more support, perks, whatever. If you don't sign up, you can still do nvidia stuff, but you wont get the priority nvidia support. Your products might come out later than those that do for example.

 

The way I see it, things can on in several directions assuming for now that anti-trust action isn't taken down the line.

1, if most places sign up for GPP, then AMD could lose out on the branding side.

2, if some places sign up, some places don't, you might see a split in the nvidia market, or maybe a bit more push from AMD, if they can keep up,

3, if most places reject GPP, things will be pretty much as they are in recent past.

 

I have to re-iterate, the above is my speculation based on the reported allegations about GPP. If the reports are wrong, anything based upon those reports will likely be wrong too.

[asus killer]

9 hours ago, porina said:

I'm not sure that agrees with my understanding of GPP, which is more like a priority thing. If you sign up for GPP, you allegedly get more support, perks, whatever. If you don't sign up, you can still do nvidia stuff, but you wont get the priority nvidia support. Your products might come out later than those that do for example.

 

The way I see it, things can on in several directions assuming for now that anti-trust action isn't taken down the line.

1, if most places sign up for GPP, then AMD could lose out on the branding side.

2, if some places sign up, some places don't, you might see a split in the nvidia market, or maybe a bit more push from AMD, if they can keep up,

3, if most places reject GPP, things will be pretty much as they are in recent past.

 

I have to re-iterate, the above is my speculation based on the reported allegations about GPP. If the reports are wrong, anything based upon those reports will likely be wrong too.

i think i remember some youtuber say that with the gpu shortage most likely those that stay out will see little to no gpus to assemble their graphics cards. And at launch they would see zero.

 

In short it would be “high-effort engineering engagements — early tech engagement — launch partner status — game bundling — sales rebate programs — social media and PR support — marketing reports“ 

 

so it kind of makes sense the youtuber went there (i really don't remember who said it). I really think AIB's will all join.

[Combustible Lemon]

15 hours ago, AresKrieger said:

I don't see how HP and Dell even apply to GPP they aren't board partners so they would not have much benefit from being in it to begin with.

Alienware and Omen lineups.

[Bananasplit_00]

18 hours ago, AresKrieger said:

I don't see how HP and Dell even apply to GPP they aren't board partners so they would not have much benefit from being in it to begin with.

actiually Dell have made some custom graphics cards, just like shittyer founders cards pretty much but still, HP i dont know tho.

[Kamjam21xx]

Those AMD ryzen shirts with the orange circle logos still look pretty cool, so atleast they got that going for them. AMD is already doing pretty good branding on the cpu end. Im not worried about the company, just dont think its right what nvidia is doing.

 

 

I wanna throw together a ryzen threadripper and radeon pro graphic and get it screen printed on a shirt.