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[AlwaysFSX]

20 minutes ago, JamesF300 said:

• Are 3 stalks on a US car common?

Just the poorly designed ones.

[arnavvr]

Has anyone used Cars & Bids? I've been drooling over this thing :

 

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9aOnD4XK/2001-bmw-m5

 

[JoaoPRSousa]

3 hours ago, JamesF300 said:

• There's an analogue clock as the focal point of the centre console. It's 2021, and the touchscreen and cluster also have clocks. It's not necessary

 

Imagine appreciating something original and non digital. Or just imagine a brand actually keep something they've done for years.

How distasteful

[RevoltTrain]

On 2/21/2021 at 5:41 PM, bcredeur97 said:

And lots of broken diffs and transmissions 

T56 and a Ford 9 inch m8

[vetali]

5 hours ago, JamesF300 said:

I really don't understand Lexus. I work for a car company and end up nit-picking, and there's always a lot going on

 

I look at the IS500 and I see:

 

• The grill. I really don't like that style of grill. Someone thinks it's a good idea. That someone is wrong
• Love the detail on wing mirrors
• Nice wheels and side profile, if the silhouette is reminiscent of any large BMW sedan, and the upward sweep towards the rear wheel very Mercedes-like
• I have no opinion of the back of the car. The bar lighting across the back is cool but it's not something that I think adds to the look
• The seats look really nice, and interior looks by and large smart, but a few different materials going on that look odd. There are at least 4 different plastics being used in the IP & center console, which makes it look messy. You've got piano black shifter indicators with a surround that's made from cheap, hard plastic.
• There's an analogue clock as the focal point of the centre console. It's 2021, and the touchscreen and cluster also have clocks. It's not necessary
• Steering wheel HMI is nice and clear, but buttons look cheap for a premium product.
• Are 3 stalks on a US car common?

 

 

random guy doesn't like car

 

[IKnight]

14 hours ago, JamesF300 said:

I really don't understand Lexus. I work for a car company and end up nit-picking, and there's always a lot going on

 

I look at the IS500 and I see:

 

• The grill. I really don't like that style of grill. Someone thinks it's a good idea. That someone is wrong
• Love the detail on wing mirrors
• Nice wheels and side profile, if the silhouette is reminiscent of any large BMW sedan, and the upward sweep towards the rear wheel very Mercedes-like
• I have no opinion of the back of the car. The bar lighting across the back is cool but it's not something that I think adds to the look
• The seats look really nice, and interior looks by and large smart, but a few different materials going on that look odd. There are at least 4 different plastics being used in the IP & center console, which makes it look messy. You've got piano black shifter indicators with a surround that's made from cheap, hard plastic.
• There's an analogue clock as the focal point of the centre console. It's 2021, and the touchscreen and cluster also have clocks. It's not necessary
• Steering wheel HMI is nice and clear, but buttons look cheap for a premium product.
• Are 3 stalks on a US car common?

 

 

Taste is subjective. I think the grill looks great. The lightbar is very Audi like, and is probably there to break up there rear which has a few different lines coming from the quarter panel. Would look odder without it. As for the interior, I agree it looks like a horrible, cluttered mess. It's like they took an 2008 car and just kept adding and adding shit in. Which is kinda what they've done.... Also I think the third stalk is cruise controll? 

[JamesF300]

7 minutes ago, IKnight said:

Taste is subjective. I think the grill looks great. The lightbar is very Audi like, and is probably there to break up there rear which has a few different lines coming from the quarter panel. Would look odder without it. As for the interior, I agree it looks like a horrible, cluttered mess. It's like they took an 2008 car and just kept adding and adding shit in. Which is kinda what they've done.... Also I think the third stalk is cruise controll? 

The exterior as a whole I'm absolutely fine with. I don't like that style of grill but different strokes for different folks.

 

The interior baffles me. I'm what Linus has lovingly referred to in WAN shows as a 'bean counter', but for a car company, and there's stuff that just doesn't make sense at all. Like the PRNDL indicator being a piano black finish surrounded by cheaper plastic. The cheaper plastic is absolutely fine for low contact areas, the piano black makes it more expensive and look messier.

 

People like to think of car development as being about massive decisions on powertrains and transmissions, but the reality of it is that it's hundreds/thousands of decisions that cost a handful of dollars here and there as to how panels are to be stamped, how to make sure everything packages well and can be assembled easily in plant, what performance of the A/C should be, finish of plastics etc. Dollar and sub-dollar decisions here and there is often the difference between you having something you like and something you don't, like a bigger and more usable touchscreen.

 

If you look at a new vehicle and wish it had a V8 instead of a V6, it was probably a decision taken almost half a decade ago and not thought about much since then.

[Aereldor]

Hey car people of LTT! Looking for a new car for my family - a compact SUV/crossover, and we've narrowed it down to 2 cars.

 

The first is the upcoming Indian version of the Skoda Kamiq / VW T-cross, with the 1.5, 150hp TSI engine. However they come with the formerly problematic DQ200 DSG gearbox, which used to have reliability issues. Even without the reliability issues, it's rated for 185 lb-ft of torque, and that's what the car produces. Not sure I like the car running along at the maximum torque that the gearbox can handle, but everything else about the car is great.

 

The other option is an Indian car called the Hyundai Creta - it's got a stronger DCT gearbox - an Indian version of the D7UF1 - rated for a much higher 250 lb-ft of torque (the engine only produces about 185 same as the Skoda/VW cars). Unfortunately, it's not a safe car. Hyundai/Kia were caught using cheaper steel, and as a result only scored between 2/5 and 3/5 on crash test ratings. It's also fuck ugly.

 

The other difference is that the Skoda/VW cars have a more refined gearbox - smoother, and they come with a better manual mode via paddles- hold onto gears for longer, downshift quicker etc. In terms of speed, they're both alright, they'll do 0-60 in about 8.5 seconds each.

 

Which one would you pick? Are the DQ200's reliability issues fixed now? Are the safety issues of the Hyundai too egregious to overlook?

[IKnight]

2 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

Hey car people of LTT! Looking for a new car for my family - a compact SUV/crossover, and we've narrowed it down to 2 cars.

 

The first is the upcoming Indian version of the Skoda Kamiq / VW T-cross, with the 1.5, 150hp TSI engine. However they come with the formerly problematic DQ200 DSG gearbox, which used to have reliability issues. Even without the reliability issues, it's rated for 185 lb-ft of torque, and that's what the car produces. Not sure I like the car running along at the maximum torque that the gearbox can handle, but everything else about the car is great.

 

The other option is an Indian car called the Hyundai Creta - it's got a stronger DCT gearbox - an Indian version of the D7UF1 - rated for a much higher 250 lb-ft of torque (the engine only produces about 185 same as the Skoda/VW cars). Unfortunately, it's not a safe car. Hyundai/Kia were caught using cheaper steel, and as a result only scored between 2/5 and 3/5 on crash test ratings. It's also fuck ugly.

 

The other difference is that the Skoda/VW cars have a more refined gearbox - smoother, and they come with a better manual mode via paddles- hold onto gears for longer, downshift quicker etc. In terms of speed, they're both alright, they'll do 0-60 in about 8.5 seconds each.

 

Which one would you pick? Are the DQ200's reliability issues fixed now? Are the safety issues of the Hyundai too egregious to overlook?

Let me put it to you this way, bearing in mind it's a family car. Would you rather get the far safer car which is sold worldwide (thus proving it's actually safe), or the more 'reliable' one, with a worse safety rating, and which isn't sold in western markets?

You looked at the Mazda CX-5?

20 minutes ago, JamesF300 said:

The exterior as a whole I'm absolutely fine with. I don't like that style of grill but different strokes for different folks.

 

The interior baffles me. I'm what Linus has lovingly referred to in WAN shows as a 'bean counter', but for a car company, and there's stuff that just doesn't make sense at all. Like the PRNDL indicator being a piano black finish surrounded by cheaper plastic. The cheaper plastic is absolutely fine for low contact areas, the piano black makes it more expensive and look messier.

 

People like to think of car development as being about massive decisions on powertrains and transmissions, but the reality of it is that it's hundreds/thousands of decisions that cost a handful of dollars here and there as to how panels are to be stamped, how to make sure everything packages well and can be assembled easily in plant, what performance of the A/C should be, finish of plastics etc. Dollar and sub-dollar decisions here and there is often the difference between you having something you like and something you don't, like a bigger and more usable touchscreen.

 

If you look at a new vehicle and wish it had a V8 instead of a V6, it was probably a decision taken almost half a decade ago and not thought about much since then.

Nobody's forcing you to buy it. Different strokes for different people. 

[Aereldor]

7 minutes ago, Benji said:

IIRC the real reliability issues from the DQ200 arose/still arise due to the fact that these are dry clutches and not the typical wet clutches. And given the fact that these engines fully exploit the 250Nm rating, I wouldn't go for any DQ200-featuring engine configuration and I think it hasn't been "fixed" as there isn't a fix for that.

 

There aren't any wet clutch gearbox cars sold here, it's either a dry DCT or a torque converter.

7 minutes ago, IKnight said:

Let me put it to you this way, bearing in mind it's a family car. Would you rather get the far safer car which is sold worldwide (thus proving it's actually safe), or the more 'reliable' one, with a worse safety rating, and which isn't sold in western markets?

You looked at the Mazda CX-5?

 

To be fair, neither of these cars is sold in western markets. The Skoda Kushaq is the Indian version of the Skoda Kamiq, and the VW Taigun is the Indian version fo the Volkwagen T-cross. Skoda's almost single-handedly responsible for making Indian cars safer though, so the assumption is they won't skimp on the car's build quality. 

 

Mazda doesn't sell cars here, Toyota only sells India-spec, crappy cars, and Honda's pretty much pulling out of the car market to focus on bikes. 

 

There are two Indian companies that make somewhat safe cars, but they're all diesels and those are quickly becoming illegal to own because of pollution laws.

[FakeFBI]

1 hour ago, IKnight said:

The lightbar is very Audi like, 

your used to seeing audis, here in the states (i) dont like audis because literally all their water pumps fail and other stuff

[IKnight]

11 minutes ago, FakeFBI said:

your used to seeing audis, here in the states (i) dont like audis because literally all their water pumps fail and other stuff

?wut

[FakeFBI]

2 minutes ago, IKnight said:

?wut

screw that back to fucking is500

[iDeFecZx]

3 hours ago, FakeFBI said:

your used to seeing audis, here in the states (i) dont like audis because literally all their water pumps fail and other stuff

waterpumps fail on literally anything, its not an audi specific failure

[FakeFBI]

2 minutes ago, iDeFecZx said:

, its not an audi specific failure

the major problem is the price, in us

[PandaCopyRight]

2 hours ago, FakeFBI said:

your used to seeing audis, here in the states (i) dont like audis because literally all their water pumps fail and other stuff

i am starting to think that you dont even understand what you are talking about

[FakeFBI]

2 minutes ago, PandaCopyRight said:

i am starting to think that you dont even understand what you are talking about

i think your right

[IKnight]

1 hour ago, FakeFBI said:

i think your right

I swear every post you make confuses me more and more. 

 

On another note, thoughts on an R53 Cooper S?

[Wi RoZ]

36 minutes ago, IKnight said:

I swear every post you make confuses me more and more. 

 

On another note, thoughts on an R53 Cooper S?

Fun car, engine can give you trouble though. It's an early THP 1.6 Prince engine (Peugeot & BMW). Had some issues (carbonized valves due to direct injection and timing chain often fails) that were mostly solved in the later versions of that engine (2014 and on should be better).

 

Don't know if there are other common issues with the R53. They are very enjoying to drive, especially on twisty backroads.

 

If you're planning on swapping the engine: the e-THP 270 (EP6FDTR/EP6CDTR) is a Peugeot Sport version of the engine, turbocharged and pushing out around 270 bhp and 330 Nm torque. Has Mahle forged pistons, better crank, different head design and extra oil squirters for cooling. Kept it a 1.6 L,  170 bhp/L from factory . Was used in the 308 GTi and RCZ R. Super nice engine. A used one will set you back €3000-5000. If you can find one.

[iDeFecZx]

1 hour ago, Wi RoZ said:

Fun car, engine can give you trouble though. It's an early THP 1.6 Prince engine (Peugeot & BMW). Had some issues (carbonized valves due to direct injection and timing chain often fails) that were mostly solved in the later versions of that engine (2014 and on should be better).

 

Don't know if there are other common issues with the R53. They are very enjoying to drive, especially on twisty backroads.

 

If you're planning on swapping the engine: the e-THP 270 (EP6FDTR/EP6CDTR) is a Peugeot Sport version of the engine, turbocharged and pushing out around 270 bhp and 330 Nm torque. Has Mahle forged pistons, better crank, different head design and extra oil squirters for cooling. Kept it a 1.6 L,  170 bhp/L from factory . Was used in the 308 GTi and RCZ R. Super nice engine. A used one will set you back €3000-5000. If you can find one.

You're thinking R56.

R53s were supercharged

[Wi RoZ]

55 minutes ago, iDeFecZx said:

You're thinking R56.

R53s were supercharged

No, same block. One's supercharged, one's turbocharged. The 1.6 THP was available as N/A, supercharged and turbocharged versions. Sure, if you swap the supercharged one with a turbocharged version you'll need a different intake and exhaust but engine size won't differ much and mounting points for engine and gearbox should be the same. 

 

Was wrong, R53 has Tritec engine, thx @iDeFecZx

Edited February 23, 2021 by Wi RoZ

[IKnight]

Not planning on swapping any engines lmao. Just want a kinda fun first car that won't give me much trouble. I'm mostly looking for an 04-06 car, supercharged.

[arnavvr]

8 hours ago, Aereldor said:

Hey car people of LTT! Looking for a new car for my family - a compact SUV/crossover, and we've narrowed it down to 2 cars.

 

The first is the upcoming Indian version of the Skoda Kamiq / VW T-cross, with the 1.5, 150hp TSI engine. However they come with the formerly problematic DQ200 DSG gearbox, which used to have reliability issues. Even without the reliability issues, it's rated for 185 lb-ft of torque, and that's what the car produces. Not sure I like the car running along at the maximum torque that the gearbox can handle, but everything else about the car is great.

 

The other option is an Indian car called the Hyundai Creta - it's got a stronger DCT gearbox - an Indian version of the D7UF1 - rated for a much higher 250 lb-ft of torque (the engine only produces about 185 same as the Skoda/VW cars). Unfortunately, it's not a safe car. Hyundai/Kia were caught using cheaper steel, and as a result only scored between 2/5 and 3/5 on crash test ratings. It's also fuck ugly.

 

The other difference is that the Skoda/VW cars have a more refined gearbox - smoother, and they come with a better manual mode via paddles- hold onto gears for longer, downshift quicker etc. In terms of speed, they're both alright, they'll do 0-60 in about 8.5 seconds each.

 

Which one would you pick? Are the DQ200's reliability issues fixed now? Are the safety issues of the Hyundai too egregious to overlook?

Have you considered a Ford EcoSport? My grandfather has owned one for years (the gas powered, manual one), and hasn't had problems.

[iDeFecZx]

40 minutes ago, Wi RoZ said:

No, same block. One's supercharged, one's turbocharged. The 1.6 THP was available as N/A, supercharged and turbocharged versions. Sure, if you swap the supercharged one with a turbocharged version you'll need a different intake and exhaust but engine size won't differ much and mounting points for engine and gearbox should be the same. 

53s used a Tritec engine, joint venture between BMW and Chrysler. Not in anyway related to the N16 "Prince" engine

[iDeFecZx]

20 minutes ago, IKnight said:

Not planning on swapping any engines lmao. Just want a kinda fun first car that won't give me much trouble. I'm mostly looking for an 04-06 car, supercharged.

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-buying-guides/mini-cooper-s-r53--ph-used-buying-guide/29900

Providing maintenance is kept up with them theyre a solid car, parents had one for a couple years before getting an R56. The supercharger noise never gets old