Intel i3 8100 vs AMD ryzen 5 1400

[Vela]

Stuck with a two option here intel i3 8100 and Amd ryzen 5 1400. They both have 4 cores but ryzen have 8 threads. 

I am tight on my budget so i3 8100 is in my budget but I can manage to get Amd as well. Is it worth to invest more in ryzen 5? 

[Princess Luna]

What is it for? pairing with what? Do you have any personal preference?

[Jurrunio]

What will you do with it? Overall budget and build list?

[Hiya!]

For games only get the 8100 it outperform Ryzen 5.

If you need the extra threads to do some multithreaded workloads then get the Ryzen.

[NelizMastr]

7 minutes ago, Hiya! said:

For games only get the 8100 it outperform Ryzen 5.

If you need the extra threads to do some multithreaded workloads then get the Ryzen.

I disagree. The i3-8100 is a locked chip and only 4C/4T. More games start requiring eat least 6 threads these days to run at their full potential, and the Ryzen can be overclocked beyond the i3-8100s performance level in any application, even on the stock cooler.

[Hiya!]

7 minutes ago, NelizMastr said:

I disagree. The i3-8100 is a locked chip and only 4C/4T. More games start requiring eat least 6 threads these days to run at their full potential, and the Ryzen can be overclocked beyond the i3-8100s performance level in any application, even on the stock cooler.

Just google the benchmark if you still doubt it or ask @dizmo

8100 has better single threaded performance which games still get more benefit from it

 

[NelizMastr]

14 minutes ago, Hiya! said:

Just google the benchmark if you still doubt it or ask @dizmo

8100 has better single threaded performance which games still get more benefit from it

 

At stock speeds, the 8100 is slightly faster, yes. Again, the R5 1400 can overclock, which makes it faster again.

[Hiya!]

8 minutes ago, NelizMastr said:

At stock speeds, the 8100 is slightly faster, yes. Again, the R5 1400 can overclock, which makes it faster again.

1500x is a good example of OCed ryzen 1400.

I3 8100 still win.

And dont bring overclock to the topic because there are silicon lottery.

It bring more question rather than answer.

[NelizMastr]

2 minutes ago, Hiya! said:

1500x is a good example of OCed ryzen 1400.

I3 8100 still win.

And dont bring overclock to the topic because there are silicon lottery.

It bring more question rather than answer.

Take another good look at which forum you're on. Overclocking and Ryzen go hand in hand. And silicon lottery? Lol.... all Ryzen chips can do 3.6-3.7 on the stock cooler, which makes them on par single threaded with the 8100. It's free performance, why would you even imply in the slightest that it's not relevant  

[Hiya!]

6 minutes ago, NelizMastr said:

Take another good look at which forum you're on. Overclocking and Ryzen go hand in hand. And silicon lottery? Lol.... all Ryzen chips can do 3.6-3.7 on the stock cooler, which makes them on par single threaded with the 8100. It's free performance, why would you even imply in the slightest that it's not relevant  

Proof it.

[NelizMastr]

7 minutes ago, Hiya! said:

Proof it.

In gaming, they trade blows, but in anything non-gaming, the i3 gets thrashed. The value proposition is clearly in the R5's favor.

[Hiya!]

2 minutes ago, NelizMastr said:

 

In gaming, they trade blows, but in anything non-gaming, the i3 gets thrashed. The value proposition is clearly in the R5's favor.

*sigh thats why i told you before i3 8100 is better for gaming and if the OP is going to game only its better for him to get the 8100 than R5 1400.

If he needs the extra threads for multi threaded workloads then he should get the Ryzen 5 1400.

You are beating around the bush i am outta here -__-

 

[NelizMastr]

Just now, Hiya! said:

*sigh thats why i told you before i3 8100 is better for gaming and if the OP is going to game only its better for him to get the 8100 than R5 1400.

If he needs the extra threads for multi threaded workloads then he should get the Ryzen 5 1400.

You are beating around the bush i am outta here -__-

ok bye

[just_dave]

Dont touch Shintel douchedonkey assgarbage with a 10 kilometer pole

 

[dizmo]

4 hours ago, NelizMastr said:

I disagree. The i3-8100 is a locked chip and only 4C/4T. More games start requiring eat least 6 threads these days to run at their full potential, and the Ryzen can be overclocked beyond the i3-8100s performance level in any application, even on the stock cooler.

Name some games that actually require 6 cores. There aren't any. They can spread the workout out among the cores, absolutely, but it's far from a requirement, and honestly they still run perfectly fine on 4c machines. They wouldn't alienate that much of the market. In addition, since he's using a 1080p monitor, the performance requirements are even smaller.

4 hours ago, NelizMastr said:

At stock speeds, the 8100 is slightly faster, yes. Again, the R5 1400 can overclock, which makes it faster again.

It's still slower, even when overclocked. It's also a more expensive chip.

4 hours ago, NelizMastr said:

Take another good look at which forum you're on. Overclocking and Ryzen go hand in hand. And silicon lottery? Lol.... all Ryzen chips can do 3.6-3.7 on the stock cooler, which makes them on par single threaded with the 8100. It's free performance, why would you even imply in the slightest that it's not relevant  

Uhh....the forum has nothing to do with if people want to OC or not. I'm on here. Have been for many years. I don't OC.

It's on par with clock speed, however clock speed does not equate to better performance when compared chip to chip.

3 hours ago, NelizMastr said:

In gaming, they trade blows, but in anything non-gaming, the i3 gets thrashed. The value proposition is clearly in the R5's favor.

Haha, you include videos that prove the point that the 8100 is most often faster. You're also comparing a more expensive chip to a cheaper one, which is also a little odd. Now, granted in editing etc it might be faster, but it's far from crushing.

3 hours ago, NelizMastr said:

ok bye

Can't handle being proven wrong? You could at least concede that @Hiya! had valid points. No need to be salty.

[Hiya!]

8 hours ago, dizmo said:

Can't handle being proven wrong? You could at least concede that @Hiya! had valid points. No need to be salty.

I mean my point in my first post was very clear and then he disagree, i asked him to proof it and he only came back with something that proven that he's wrong.

Seriously he can just admit it like a man and we might be friends lel

After all i am friendly,peaceful and non aggressive type unless provoked

[dizmo]

1 hour ago, Hiya! said:

I mean my point in my first post was very clear and then he disagree, i asked him to proof it and he only came back with something that proven that he's wrong.

Seriously he can just admit it like a man and we might be friends lel

After all i am friendly,peaceful and non aggressive type unless provoked

Some people just can't handle being proven wrong

I thought that was pretty funny! I mean, he could have come with the reasoning that AM4 has more upgrade potential, and that the motherboard are cheaper...which are valid points...but instead he stuck to the performance argument that's just wrong.

Hahaha, the cute ones are always the ones you have to watch out for

[Hiya!]

3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Some people just can't handle being proven wrong

I thought that was pretty funny! I mean, he could have come with the reasoning that AM4 has more upgrade potential, and that the motherboard are cheaper...which are valid points...but instead he stuck to the performance argument that's just wrong.

Hahaha, the cute ones are always the ones you have to watch out for

Well maybe because we argue about the performance in the first place

I mean even though he could bring a valid point ike cheaper mobo and more futureproof it will only made him looks like he's trying to avoiding getting to the core of the subject to try to bring up a subject in a roundabout way

Agreed he's adorable in a good way

[Stefan Payne]

14 hours ago, Vela said:

Stuck with a two option here intel i3 8100 and Amd ryzen 5 1400. They both have 4 cores but ryzen have 8 threads. 

I am tight on my budget so i3 8100 is in my budget but I can manage to get Amd as well. Is it worth to invest more in ryzen 5? 

Getting an Intel right now is stupid.

If you want an Intel, you have to wait at least a Month or two before all the shit thats still comming out is done, the patches/fixes implemented.

Because it seems worse any day for Meltdown and Spectre.

 

Here the next worst thing:

So avoid Intel right now!

[dizmo]

7 minutes ago, Hiya! said:

Well maybe because we argue about the performance in the first place

I mean even though he could bring a valid point ike cheaper mobo and more futureproof it will only made him looks like he's trying to avoiding getting to the core of the subject to try to bring up a subject in a roundabout way

Agreed he's adorable in a good way

Haha, yeah that's true. Sometimes conceding is the only way to come out unscathed. We all make mistakes.

LoL, I meant you, but yes I agree

[Hiya!]

36 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Getting an Intel right now is stupid.

If you want an Intel, you have to wait at least a Month or two before all the shit thats still comming out is done, the patches/fixes implemented.

Because it seems worse any day for Meltdown and Spectre.

 

Here the next worst thing:

So avoid Intel right now!

Whooaa i  need to update myself. What happened in a nutshell?

10 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Haha, yeah that's true. Sometimes conceding is the only way to come out unscathed. We all make mistakes.

LoL, I meant you, but yes I agree

You got me blushed there

[Stefan Payne]

Just now, Hiya! said:

Whooaa i  need to update myself. What happened in a nutshell?

Branch Prediction/speculative excecution on Intel CPUs can be used to either inject code or read code from the Kernel space without proper authorisation.

The bugs are called 'Meltdown', wich is fixed or will be fixed in the coming days wich ruins the performance of Systemcalls.

 

The other one, Spectre is not fixed or partially fixed. And one of the things happening is discussed in that twitter thread.

[Hiya!]

5 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Branch Prediction/speculative excecution on Intel CPUs can be used to either inject code or read code from the Kernel space without proper authorisation.

The bugs are called 'Meltdown', wich is fixed or will be fixed in the coming days wich ruins the performance of Systemcalls.

 

The other one, Spectre is not fixed or partially fixed. And one of the things happening is discussed in that twitter thread.

Wow that sounds pretty dangerous.

i have no idea.

I hope intel will fix it soon.

 

For now its another win for AMD

[pas008]

2 minutes ago, Hiya! said:

Wow that sounds pretty dangerous.

i have no idea.

I hope intel will fix it soon.

 

For now its another win for AMD

Fixes are coming out left and right

showing little to no performance impact So far

 

[Hiya!]

1 minute ago, pas008 said:

Fixes are coming out left and right

showing little to no performance impact So far

 

Oh please dont bring up the performance debate again.

We already knew the pros and cons for each CPU.

 

I meant to say WIN not by the performance factor but security factor