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How likely is it that we lose net neutrality?

Phantonex
By Phantonex
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It's almost 100% if something drastic doesn't happen like an attack or something

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

It's almost 100% if something drastic doesn't happen like an attack or something

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1 minute ago, Phantonex said:

RIP

Emailing your senator isn't going to influence their mind. The only thing that is helping is with numbers which can easily be changed so in reality unless you pay Ajit more than Verizion GG

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I don't think it's almost 100%

it's higher than it's ever been, and what we really need is a big protest, like with SOPA (where several big websites shut down for a day)

Obviously, they won't do this (because it looses them money), but if big sites like Google, Amazon, Facebook, YouTube, (even one of those) shut down for a day, people would wake up

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15 minutes ago, Phantonex said:

Is it likely that we are going to lose net neutrality?

about as likely as a B list celerity becoming president with 1 million less votes than their opponent

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100% likely.

Ajit Pai has already shown he's unwilling to listen to the people or look at the actual evidences that ISPs have in fact, been accused (with actual proof) to be throttling services in favor of their own/in exchange for money, which is exactly what Net Neutrality aims to prevent. (With the most famous one probably being Netflix)


But the way he views it, he think ISP will genuinely not be doing that crap the moment he undo these rules... that were put in place exactly because they were doing that crap. ISPs can't be trusted.
I don't care for Title 2, he can get rid of that if he wants, but Net Neutrality is something that should stay. Yet he wants to get rid of both, for reasons.

The way I see it, is Ajit Pai undoing all this crap to gain favor from the ISPs, so that when he's out of the FCC once Trump GTFO of the WH in 3 years, he will be welcomed back as a "hero" of sort.

Honestly, I fully expect that the ISPs already have their plan all sorted out and ready to roll out the very moment Pai undo Net Neutrality.

So we will see shit like "gaming package" to get fast access speed ) to Steam, Origin and what not just show up out of no where(more like normal speed, but it will be "fast" after they throttle your connection to 56k to force you to pay).

Same with a "Social Media package" for Facebook, G+, Twitter, etc...

Because somehow, they can "no longer" provide full speed access to these websites and services because "the demand is too high".

If these sort of packages don't show up on the ISPs websites within minutes, expect them within days.

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well there's arrangements of national protests in various Verizon stores across the US 

 

and bear in mind too that countries will also look into gutting NN if this passes

 

edit: also forgot about the nationwide protest on Dec 7. not like the previous one, where it's just based entirely online with sites protesting https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/11/net-neutrality-supporters-plan-nationwide-protests-on-december-7/

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1 hour ago, TetraSky said:

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I always want to ask this. From one aspect, I can totally see these special packages showing up once net neutrality is ruled out. But I am wondering what about crucial internet calls such as remote surgery? Special set ups need to be there to prevent any lag or quality drop for these kind of connection? Does net neutrality limit the possibility of ensuring critical connection in good quality? Because from my very simple understanding, net neutrality is to treat every data package the same. no purposely speed up/slow down certain packages.

 

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8 minutes ago, Devin92 said:

Does net neutrality limit the possibility of ensuring critical connection in good quality?

Certainly does. dedicated hardware is going to be needed to "sniff" these packets to determine when and how long until they get there and if the endpoint is paying for it. Almost guaranteed VPN traffic will be throttled instantly because if they cant sniff it. 

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17 minutes ago, Devin92 said:

I always want to ask this. From one aspect, I can totally see these special packages showing up once net neutrality is ruled out. But I am wondering what about crucial internet calls such as remote surgery? Special set ups need to be there to prevent any lag or quality drop for these kind of connection? Does net neutrality limit the possibility of ensuring critical connection in good quality? Because from my very simple understanding, net neutrality is to treat every data package the same. no purposely speed up/slow down certain packages.

 

If I remember this correctly, places like hospitals and the likes have their own dedicated "pipe" to the internet due to them requiring high speed low latency for "critical" system and as such wouldn't be subject to these sort of despicable behavior from the ISPs.

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Too bad everyones Congressman isnt my Congressman: 

https://lowenthal.house.gov 

 

Thankfully my ISP has shown little signs of flipping the switch and being Comcast 2.0 if these corporatists get their way.  

 

Being the ISP that does not regulate the Internet like TV is a easy way to beat other ISPs in Areas where there aren't monopolies and opens up the potential to break existing monopolies. 

 

Even if prices went up I'd be glad to pay them. Though ideally these rules would not change. 

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its already lost.  the vote is in the hands of somebody who had already made up his mind even before asking for public comment.

at this point, no amount of protest is going to change the vote.  and i doubt our current congress is going to do anything about it.

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even if it doesnt pass this time, it will pop up again next month and keep coming up until it happens

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if this happens I am quitting this crazy assed sh*t show and returning to the real world

and to be honest no more internet at this point seems like the sane option

I would quit now but I am currently hooked and need a push in the right direction

 

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TLDR - Yes, it's going to happen

 

From an outsiders view, the whole ISP situation in the US is a complete shit show, and yes, you are pretty much going to be losing net neutrality currently unless something radical happens between now and the vote.

 

What the US really needs is to open up the infrastructure to competitors on a level playing field. The fact that you have places there where it is illegal for more than the incumbent ISP to be there, is frankly shocking. The fact that you have areas where there is essentially 1 ISP to rule them all, even if not illegal is shocking. That nobody seems to be doing any kind of antitrust/anti competitive investigations in to that is also disgusting. 

 

Opening up the infrastructure to competitors, in theory (assuming no collusion, which, judging from previous deals they have done with each other is unlikely) should make net neutrality being a thing or not a mute point, as they wouldn't be competitive if they were doing it.

 

I live a small island, there are only about 85000 people here and there are enough people in that, for  the multiple ISPs here to still make profits. While things are more expensive than the UK (for example), there is absolutely no excuse for single ISPs to be dominating everything in a single area without a chance of competition.

 

None of this is going to happen though, except for net neutrality being a thing. There are way too many vested interests in the US, both in business and politics. Too much money to be squeezed out of consumers in anti-competitive and frankly, monopolistic ways. There aren't enough consumers who are savvy enough to organise properly to prevent bad things happening. It could be rectified if you could get a large enough amount of people to sort it out, who weren't strictly voting one way or another in a de facto two party state. When both of those parties are usually wrong one way or another about the same policies but from different ends of the spectrum and so sensible things do not get done, and you lurch one way then the other as each side gets a majority.

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Here in the US, as many of you know, we are at risk of losing our net neutrality laws that keep ISP's in check. So, what happens if the FCC does roll back the laws. Some friends and I were having some discussions and I figure a lot can speculate on how other companies will react to this. 

My opinion - If we lose net neutrality, Time Warner Cable and Comcast (the largest ISPs in the US that hold monopolies in many areas) will make users and/or companies pay for services like Amazon, Facebook, Google, etc. but in turn companies like Google and Amazon that have the money and infrastructure will start working on there own Internet Service that is in favor of net neutrality to create more competition against TWC and Comcast. Obviously they can't create an internet structure overnight, and It'd take time, but I think in the end Google and Amazon could make more money for their company through this by giving people another option over TWC or Comcast. As long as they provide a better service. 

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In all likely hood nothing will happen right off, but some retarded stuff might happen down the line, also if you worked at a reception office for one of those companies it would be wise to quit before someone drives a semi through the front door as I see the companies being openly targeted by the general populace and people have a knack for aiming to low on the totem pole

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We had "net neutrality" for only 18 months. The internet has existed for decades without any regulation or  throttling and it will continue to do so after it is repealed.

People need to stop losing their shit about this. Nothing will change.

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2005 - Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services. The FCC put a stop to it.

2005 - Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.

2005 – Telus blocks access to pro union website

2007-2009 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones.

2011 - MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube. (edit: they actually sued the FCC over this)

2011-2013, AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their bullshit. edit: this one happened literally months after the trio were busted collaborating with Google to block apps from the android marketplace

2012, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn't do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction. (edit: they were fined $1.25million over this)

2012, AT&T - tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money.

2013 Verizon v. FCC - Judges asked whether the phone giant would favor some preferred services, content or sites over others if the court overruled the agency’s existing open internet rules. Verizon counsel Helgi Walker had this to say: “I’m authorized to state from my client today that but for these rules we would be exploring those types of arrangements.”

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