AMD Raven Ridge R5 2500U & R7 2700U on geekbench.

[The Benjamins]

I found 2 bench mark runs on GeekBench of the new AMD APU line, the interesting thing that I noticed is that the R5 2500U was running android 7.1.2 NOT windows. Both are 4c8t chips and the R5 has a 2.0Ghz base clock and the R7 has 2.2Ghz base clock. This mostly shows the expected cache and core configuration of these model APU's, and it shows how crappy geekbench is on windows.

 

R5 2500U

Single-Core Score    

3730

Multi-Core Score
11192

Operating System    Android 7.1.2
Model    AMD Tambourine

Processor    AMD Ryzen 5 2500U with Radeon Vega Graphics @ 2.00 GHz 
1 processor, 4 cores, 8 threads
Processor ID    AuthenticAMD Family 23 Model 17 Stepping 0
L1 Instruction Cache    32 KB x 4
L1 Data Cache    64 KB x 4
L2 Cache    512 KB x 4
L3 Cache    4096 KB

 

http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/3852138

https://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx40&did=52679520&os=Windows&api=gl&hwtype=iGPU&hwname=AMD+15DD+Graphics

 

 

R7 2700U

Single-Core Score  

3495

 Multi-Core Score
5034

Operating System    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (64-bit)
Model    LENOVO INVALID

Processor    AMD Ryzen 7 2700U with Radeon Vega Graphics @ 2.20 GHz 
1 processor, 4 cores, 8 threads
Processor ID    AuthenticAMD Family 23 Model 17 Stepping 0
Processor Codename    Raven Ridge
Processor Package    
L1 Instruction Cache    32 KB x 4
L1 Data Cache    64 KB x 4
L2 Cache    512 KB x 4
L3 Cache    4096 KB

 

http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/3770816

https://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?D=AMD+Ryzen+7+2700U+with+Radeon+Vega+Graphics&testgroup=overall

 

A12-9800E

https://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx40&did=33010277&os=Windows&api=gl&hwtype=iGPU&hwname=AMD+Radeon+R7+Graphics

 

 

Old Leak

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-engineering-samples-update

http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_system.php?q=cea598ab9faa9eaa9cbadde0cdfcdaa895a583ead7e6c0a895a086fec3f2d4b1d4e9d9ff8cb189&l=de

[PCGuy_5960]

Meh, Geekbench is an awful benchmark.

[The Benjamins]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Meh, Geekbench is an awful benchmark.

I think its odd that the R5 is running android, but now that we are seeing these I am hoping to see the mobile APUs with in a month or 2

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, The Benjamins said:

I think its odd that the R5 is running android, but now that we are seeing these I am hoping to see the mobile APUs with in a month or 2

The only valuable thing about these scores are the CPU specs, the score is irrelevant 

[Doobeedoo]

Ugh Geekbench though. But whatever, Raven Ridge is what's exciting though. 

[Herman Mcpootis]

all those benchmarks that could be tested and it just had to be geekbench. why can't it be 3Dmark or something more accurate?

[The Benjamins]

2 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

Ugh Geekbench though. But whatever, Raven Ridge is what's exciting though. 

Raven Ridge is the codename for AMD's upcoming Zen+Vega APU line for mobile and desktop. The expected config is 4c8t + 11 CU, for refeance the A12-9800 & A10-7870k are 4c4t + 8 CU (GCN 1.2)

[The Benjamins]

1 minute ago, herman mcpootis said:

all those benchmarks that could be tested and it just had to be geekbench. why can't it be 3Dmark or something more accurate?

Well I bet they test others, it is just geekbench has a nice search feature so it is the easiest to fine unreleased CPU's.

[3rrant]

What kind of device with Android can we expect with these specs? I really can't think of one, it's all overpowered for what it comes to my mind

[The Benjamins]

Just now, ErrantNyles said:

What kind of device with Android can we expect with these specs? I really can't think of one, it's all overpowered for what it comes to my mind

if could be a test to see if the lower end APU's could see their way into android tablets.

[Trixanity]

Just now, The Benjamins said:

Raven Ridge is the codename for AMD's upcoming Zen+Vega APU line for mobile and desktop. The expected config is 4c8t + 11 CU, for refeance the A12-9800 & A10-7870k are 4c4t + 8 CU (GCN 1.2)

I don't think there is any reason to believe that Raven Ridge won't have varying CU configurations. Will improve yields to use chips with defective CUs and can probably help manage TDP for ULP segment.

 

I think we'll get a launch in November at the earliest but I wouldn't be surprised if they'll postpone to early December (if nothing else but to keep their promise to stockholders) because they'd want to get it out before Christmas to get the holiday sales.

[3rrant]

Just now, The Benjamins said:

if could be a test to see if the lower end APU's could see their way into android tablets.

Or that's a new ultra-chromebook?

 

But yeah, probably. 

[The Benjamins]

Just now, Trixanity said:

I don't think there is any reason to believe that Raven Ridge won't have varying CU configurations. Will improve yields to use chips with defective CUs and can probably help manage TDP for ULP segment.

 

I think we'll get a launch in November at the earliest but I wouldn't be surprised if they'll postpone to early December (if nothing else but to keep their promise to stockholders) because they'd want to get it out before Christmas to get the holiday sales.

I do think they will have varying sku's just wanted to compare the top last 2 gen APUs to the expected top next gen APU. show how much of a jump we could expect.

[InertiaSelling]

Can we trust these gfx benchmarks ? Intel's hd 620 is more powerful than that.

[DildorTheDecent]

9 minutes ago, herman mcpootis said:

all those benchmarks that could be tested and it just had to be geekbench. why can't it be 3Dmark or something more accurate?

Because that's a graphics bench. You don't buy a android laptop/tablet or chromebook for graphics. 

 

Cinebench or any of the Prime based benches would have been a better fit. Maybe even HWBOT x265 or WinRAR/7zip for memory perf. 

[Trixanity]

1 minute ago, ErrantNyles said:

Or that's a new ultra-chromebook?

 

But yeah, probably. 

It's possible. Chromebooks can run Android apps which requires an Android sub-system. So I would assume a Chromebook running Geekbench through that sub-system would report the version of that sub-system. I doubt AMD has any intention of putting APUs in phones or tablets (at least not your average Android tablet) especially considering how Intel was ousted from that market pretty handily. AMD doesn't have the money for a cutthroat market like that.

[The Benjamins]

3 minutes ago, InertiaSelling said:

Can we trust these gfx benchmarks ? Intel's hd 620 is more powerful than that.

I don't think it is that great, I would stick with comparing the improvement of the old AMD CPU vs the new one to see expected gains. keep in mind the A12-9800 is better a 7700k gaming test (iGPU only)

[3rrant]

2 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

It's possible. Chromebooks can run Android apps which requires an Android sub-system. So I would assume a Chromebook running Geekbench through that sub-system would report the version of that sub-system. I doubt AMD has any intention of putting APUs in phones or tablets (at least not your average Android tablet) especially considering how Intel was ousted from that market pretty handily. AMD doesn't have the money for a cutthroat market like that.

If their infinity fabric technology is so innovative and scalable as they claim, they could really try to fit into this market without problems. They just need the right partners.

[kiska3]

Urgh! Geekbench, pls.

...

Take with a truckload of salt

[DocSwag]

The question is, what is the TDP?

 

If these are 15w CPUs then that's super impressive as those are higher clocks than what Intel is pulling off on the U series Coffee Lake CPUs.

[Trixanity]

Just now, ErrantNyles said:

If their infinity fabric technology is so innovative and scalable as they claim, they could really try to fit into this market without problems. They just need the right partners.

It's not a technical problem AMD has with the phone/tablet market (we don't know for sure how Zen/Vega scales when running <5W TDP, so there is some uncertainty). It's a marketing and sales problem.

 

They'd essentially need to bribe their way into the market. Qualcomm owns the high end and Mediatek the low end. They need to undercut them significantly and offer superior performance and battery life while creating an entirely new SoC with a modem. They'd have to either license modem tech or buy a modem - probably off Qualcomm but perhaps from Samsung or another company. This all eats into the little funds AMD have.

 

Intel have been there and done that. They gave huge incentives but was ultimately unsuccessful. I wouldn't be surprised if Intel lost two digit billions on Android when all factors are included but definitely single digit. Nvidia has also been there and have been wrecked. They've managed to repurpose their work for automobiles which means it wasn't a total disaster for Nvidia.

 

Vertical integration also helps a lot and AMD doesn't have that in that segment.

 

Finally, we have the fact that AMD is an unproven player which gives them a big problem.
I don't see a future where AMD can compete or even wants to. They have a small chance of any success and the reward probably isn't worth it.

 

[Drak3]

30 minutes ago, ErrantNyles said:

What kind of device with Android can we expect with these specs? I really can't think of one, it's all overpowered for what it comes to my mind

Game console that's somewhat similar to the Nvidia Shield TV, but more serious. Or laptop/low end desktop.

[ravenshrike]

43 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

I think its odd that the R5 is running android, but now that we are seeing these I am hoping to see the mobile APUs with in a month or 2

New set of chromebooks probably.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

Does Android run on x86, without being emulated on top of another OS? 

[Guest]

Just now, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Does Android run on x86, without being emulated on top of another OS? 

Modified yes