Intel 8700k 11% faster than 7700k

[The Benjamins]

1 hour ago, done12many2 said:

 

I guess I'm blind.  

 

I see two 4's and a bunch of blur open to interpretation.  I guess I need to improve upon my 20/20 vision.  

I got that great 200/20 ( or 20/200 how ever it is suppose to be) and I could see the 4.

 

(basically means I need to be 10x closer to read something with out my glasses)

 

I hope AMD's zen2 CPU's are on track, I expect them to be 12c24t (mainstream)

[VagabondWraith]

1 hour ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

If Intel gets the pricing right, Coffeelake is going to be amazing!

If Intel prices aggressively with 10-20 bucks of Ryzen, the Ryzen lineup R5 and below would be instantly obsolete. The R7 would only make sense if you absolutely need 16 threads. Even then, the 8700K OC would get dangerously close to the R7's anyway.

 

Intel has a real chance to completely halt the Ryzen train right in its tracks IF they price competitively.

[porina]

12 minutes ago, GatioH said:

Yep. FX 9590

Just looked it up, I missed that somehow.

[done12many2]

2 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

I got that great 200/20 ( or 20/200 how ever it is suppose to be) and I could see the 4.

 

(basically means I need to be 10x closer to read something with out my glasses)

 

I hope AMD's zen2 CPU's are on track, I expect them to be 12c24t (mainstream)

 

Too funny man.

 

Would you want 12c/24t or 8 badass cores with more clock speed and IPC?  I'd personally take the latter for mainstream.  

[HKZeroFive]

Ah yes, I definitely saw that "15% performance gain" from Skylake to Kaby Lake. Wait, no, it was 0%.

 

Not expecting much improvement in Coffee Lake's single threaded performance in comparison to Kaby Lake... if any.

[done12many2]

2 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

Ah yes, I definitely saw that "15% performance gain" from Skylake to Kaby Lake. Wait, no, it was 0%.

 

Not expecting much improvement in Coffee Lake's single threaded performance in comparison to Kaby Lake... if any.

 

Don't forget clock speed as there was definitely a difference between the two.  It damn sure wasn't 15%, but it wasn't 0% either.  

[pas008]

2 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

Ah yes, I definitely saw that "15% performance gain" from Skylake to Kaby Lake. Wait, no, it was 0%.

 

Not expecting much improvement in Coffee Lake's single threaded performance in comparison to Kaby Lake... if any.

performance gain can be in areas you arent utilizing

[The Benjamins]

1 minute ago, done12many2 said:

 

Too funny man.

 

Would you want 12c/24t or 8 badass cores with more clock speed and IPC?  I'd personally take the latter for mainstream.  

I am also hoping for a better clock ceiling (4.2-4.6), I personally would go for the 12c. I would also love to see a bit more PCIe like 28~ lanes vs 20.

 

But this is for me personally.

 

My eyes are that bad, I am near sighted and it becomes blurry at 6" and farther from my face.

[HKZeroFive]

6 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

Don't forget clock speed as there was definitely a difference between the two.  It damn sure wasn't 15%, but it wasn't 0% either.  

Even accounting for the bump in stock clockspeed, it's probably a 5% improvement at most. Clock-for-clock though... well, not much has changed at all.

5 minutes ago, pas008 said:

performance gain can be in areas you arent utilizing

Such as?

[DildorTheDecent]

5 minutes ago, Arokhantos said:

But thread ripper has 16 cores

Threadripper is HEDT, not mainstream.

[done12many2]

5 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

Even accounting for the bump in stock clockspeed, it's probably a 5% improvement at most. Clock-for-clock though... well, not much has changed at all.

Such as?

 

Kinda what I said.  

[Armakar]

Don't get too excited. They claimed Skylake has a 10% advantage over Haswell, they claimed Kaby lake had a 10% advantage over Skylake, it's a load of shit.

 

Hopefully AMD will bring the next Zen CPUs because I refuse to pay the Intel premium any longer. Clearly Intel are going to price these chips at $400 with $200 overclocking motherboards, I'd pay that price when there was no competition but if Intel want to throw bullshit prices and ignore Ryzen they lose my business.

[Taf the Ghost]

1 hour ago, VagabondWraith said:

If Intel prices aggressively with 10-20 bucks of Ryzen, the Ryzen lineup R5 and below would be instantly obsolete. The R7 would only make sense if you absolutely need 16 threads. Even then, the 8700K OC would get dangerously close to the R7's anyway.

 

Intel has a real chance to completely halt the Ryzen train right in its tracks IF they price competitively.

8700k at 390USD incoming!

[done12many2]

Just now, Taf the Ghost said:

8700k at 390USD incoming!

 

That's a pretty sweet price for the increase.

[2FA]

2 hours ago, TheRandomness said:

Looking over that picture again, the 3.8 is unclear but the 4.3 and 4.5 can be seen. Which begs the question, why are there 3 listings for frequency? Base, turbo and single core turbo?

Stock, TB 2.0, TB 3.0

[PCGuy_5960]

1 hour ago, VagabondWraith said:

The R7 would only make sense if you absolutely need 16 threads. Even then, the 8700K OC would get dangerously close to the R7's anyway.

Idk, if they managed to improve IPC by 10% and Coffeelake can clock like Kabylake, the 8700K may be able to match/beat the R7 in multi threaded applications.

(The R7 score is the best score I could find, an average R7 doesn't score that high)

[Taf the Ghost]

Just now, done12many2 said:

 

That's a pretty sweet price for the increase.

It wouldn't be a bad price, actually, but the thought that Intel is going to price cut that much is a little questionable.

 

Actually, given the way Intel should be pricing, given their market position, they're highly likely to keep the top SKU price fairly high. Those 6c parts cost Intel a good chunk more than the 4c parts from Kaby Lake to produce.

[Mooshi]

So basically it's another tiny change that can be achieved with overclocking--assuming you have a previous gen Intel chip with the same number of cores/threads.

 

Does Coffee still have mayo under the IHS or is it paste made from ground coffee beans to be festive?

[Dylanc1500]

6 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

That's a pretty sweet price for the increase.

Meanwhile I'll go to Microcenter and get it for $299 and $30 off a compatible motherboard.

[Misanthrope]

So another theoretical 11% that intel managed to achieve on a likely rigged benchmark so they can put it on the slide but most real world applications don't see those IPC improvements?

 

Not sure why they don't just talk up the fact that they're packing 2 more cores accross SKUs now.

[TacoSenpai]

Who knows we'll see what happens.  Though its apparent Intel is taking AMD seriously for the first time in awhile.  I want to see how this compares to zen 2.  10-11% IPC improvement sounds pretty standard between generations the 51% in multi-threaded i'm skeptically optimistic.

[mynameisjuan]

10 minutes ago, LordTaco42 said:

the 51% in multi-threaded i'm skeptically optimistic.

50% more cores, 50% more performance. What is so skeptical about it?

[done12many2]

25 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Idk, if they managed to improve IPC by 10% and Coffeelake can clock like Kabylake, the 8700K may be able to match/beat the R7 in multi threaded applications.

(The R7 score is the best score I could find, an average R7 doesn't score that high)

 

Average for all submissions to our LTT thread for Cinebench is 1714 for the R7, so I'd say you should redo the math.  

[TacoSenpai]

4 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

50% more cores, 50% more performance. What is so skeptical about it?

Intel being known for the past years of little incremental improvement of their mainstream CPUs from generation to generation and just the general business speak and run around that all companies do to try to promote their own products.

[done12many2]

2 minutes ago, LordTaco42 said:

Intel being known for the past years of only incrementally improving their mainstream CPUs from generation to generation and just the general business speak and run around that all companies do to try to promote their own products.

 

Yeah, that applies to IPC and such.  Adding cores is just that.  With IPC remaining the same, 50% is completely logical.  No really anything to doubt.