AMD VEGA official details

[Mr.Meerkat]

3 minutes ago, N1ghtshade said:

I doubt it'll be an entire lineup of GPUs, but that'd be nice to have options. But I doubt any of them are gonna be higher than 1080, seeing as the benchmarks leaked so far placed it smack dab in between the 1080 and 1070.

Vega 10, vega 11...there will deffo be at least 3 GPUs  

[AntonChigurh]

7 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Just because it's unlisted doesn't mean it's Vega...AMD was also testing rebranded GPUs and was OCing those.  You can also fake a bios.

I never said it was confirmed to be Vega. I just said that it was rumored to be Vega, and imho I think it is Vega. Plus from the benchmarks we saw in the LTT video, wasn't the Vega barely matching a 1080 in Doom, the most Team Red leaning game ever?

[Mira Yurizaki]

4 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Linus doesn't even have a Vega GPU.  Everything is just rumors at this point.  Also, no Doom is not the most team red game.  id is usually in favor of Nvidia because Carmack always designed/developed on Nvidia cards and forgets to optimize for them.  FFS with Doom 3 BFG you had to dl a direct x dll to keep the game stable for awhile.  <.<  Because thanks, John Carmack.  Oh, you meant at the CES booth, ya no that was an engineering sample, not a final product.  3:58 in, "This is only an engineering card, not a final card."

I'd argue it's because id has traditionally used OpenGL for its engines, id Tech 5 being the only strange one using DirectX. NVIDIA has traditionally been better about OpenGL support than ATi/AMD.

[Thony]

"HBM is 5x faster than GDDR5"

Who cares when it doesnt effect performance in any significant way...

[AntonChigurh]

17 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Linus doesn't even have a Vega GPU.  Everything is just rumors at this point.  Also, no Doom is not the most team red game.  id is usually in favor of Nvidia because Carmack always designed/developed on Nvidia cards and forgets to optimize for them.  FFS with Doom 3 BFG you had to dl a direct x dll to keep the game stable for awhile.  <.<  Because thanks, John Carmack.  Oh, you meant at the CES booth, ya no that was an engineering sample, not a final product.  3:58 in, "This is only an engineering card.  You won't see this on a product."

Alright. I still believe that Vega is being overhyped like Ryzen was, and that it's not gonna be the 1080ti killer everyone thinks it is. But that's just me

[Mira Yurizaki]

4 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

I've actually seen John Carmack post on forums of his build during development stages over the years.  He's even posted FB live videos and Youtube videos.  He generally runs systems with Nvidia cards and develops in favor of their technology first and then gets lazy on the AMD side.  Yes, he's also used OpenGL and Direct X as both options.  This has been clear since the original Quake in 1997.  He wasn't as lazy back then, so the problems weren't too too bad outside of some pixelation issues on the direct x side.  But, ever since Rage and Doom 3 BFG he's gotten a bit lazy with optimization towards AMD HW.  

Maybe that's because AMD hasn't really cared much about supporting OpenGL themselves: http://richg42.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-truth-on-opengl-driver-quality.html (Vendor A is NVIDIA, Vendor B is ATi/AMD, Vendor C is Intel)

[AntonChigurh]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

What I've been saying is wait until the final product rather than hyping up that hype train.  It could be good, it could be not as good as people assumed.  We don't know.

I know. That's what I'm saying also. I think it's not gonna be a 1080ti at the price of a 480 (exaggerating here) like everyone wants

[Phate.exe]

1 minute ago, N1ghtshade said:

I know. That's what I'm saying also. I think it's not gonna be a 1080ti at the price of a 480 (exaggerating here) like everyone wants

Get me playable 4k with pretty settings (so right around or a bit below 1080ti performance) for $400-450 and my only question will be "where do I type in my credit card number?"

[leadeater]

27 minutes ago, N1ghtshade said:

I never said it was confirmed to be Vega. I just said that it was rumored to be Vega, and imho I think it is Vega. Plus from the benchmarks we saw in the LTT video, wasn't the Vega barely matching a 1080 in Doom, the most Team Red leaning game ever?

All the current performance leaks for Vega don't really stack up to reality, a lot of them are showing performance which is barely above a Fury X which is simply illogical. I don't believe or am saying Vega is going to be some amazing card that is going to smash 1080Ti's etc but a node shrink and a significant architecture redesign isn't going to yield a tiny improvement so it's always good to go and check Fury X performance figures to check the validity of Vega leaks.

[cj09beira]

Just now, Phate.exe said:

Get me playable 4k with pretty settings (so right around 1080ti performance) for $400-450 and my only question will be "where do I type in my credit card number?"

i believe it will be more in the 500 dollar range, this is a big chip (530mm^2) 

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

Even if they never supported OpenGL Carmack is still capable of not being that lazy and would have been able to fix the issue himself.  He's John "Fucking" Carmack.  Do not underestimate his abilities.  He even left Zenimax/id and became the head engineer of the Oculus Rift because he fixed all the issues the creator was having.  They sent him one and he's like, "Oh you did this and this wrong, let me fix that for you!"  The guy is too much of a genius not too, and he's done it for years on his own.  He also created every idtech on his own and does most of the development of all the big id games on his own with some input from others on the design and minor parts.  In his spare time, he builds commercial space crafts.  <.<  He also interrupts Quakecon to give lectures on quantum physics.  So, it has nothing to really do with AMD...it's just John being lazy.  But, it doesn't matter anymore because after he created the idtech 6, as a parting gift, he's not even there anymore.

You act as though Carmack coded everything by himself and knows the ins and outs of every little line of code.

 

At best now, Carmack is/was directing the architecture and higher level designs. He probably had no hand in the lower level designs and implementation of the engines. This is how it is with a lot of senior developers. They don't concern themselves with optimizing so much as making sure bigger picture features are put in. Things are much more complex than they were 12 years ago.

[AntonChigurh]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

I think they might just release a couple of GPUs at different levels, but not a lot if anything.  The only reason I'm saying that is because of the delay if anything.  But, knowing AMD I feel like if they're going to do that it's going to be binned central.

True. Seems like it'll be nothing but binned shit

1 minute ago, Phate.exe said:

Get me playable 4k with pretty settings (so right around 1080ti performance) for $400-450 and my only question will be "where do I type in my credit card number?"

I doubt they're gonna make a gpu that can compete with the 1080ti for $450

[cj09beira]

Just now, leadeater said:

All the current performance leaks for Vega don't really stack up to reality, a lot of them are showing performance which is barely above a Fury X which is simply illogical. I don't believe or am saying Vega is going to be some amazing card that is going to smash 1080Ti's etc but a node shrink and a significant architecture redesign isn't going to yield a tiny improvement so it's always good to go and check Fury X performance figures to check the validity of Vega leaks.

the time spy bench has the exact same perf as a heavely oced fury x (1220mhz core and 540mhz hbm)

[AntonChigurh]

Just now, leadeater said:

All the current performance leaks for Vega don't really stack up to reality, a lot of them are showing performance which is barely above a Fury X which is simply illogical. I don't believe or am saying Vega is going to be some amazing card that is going to smash 1080Ti's etc but a node shrink and a significant architecture redesign isn't going to yield a tiny improvement so it's always good to go and check Fury X performance figures to check the validity of Vega leaks.

Yeah, some of the benchmarks are pretty misleading. But I guess that's what you get when you're getting unconfirmed leaks before something's released

[Phate.exe]

1 minute ago, N1ghtshade said:

I doubt they're gonna make a gpu that can compete with the 1080ti for $450

Even if it's closer to a 1080 that'd probably end up working for me.

 

I just want to play things like GTA V on my 4k freesync monitor.

[AntonChigurh]

Just now, Phate.exe said:

Even if it's closer to a 1080 that'd probably end up working for me.

 

I just want to play things like GTA V on my 4k freesync monitor.

Then get a 1080ti

[Phate.exe]

4 minutes ago, N1ghtshade said:

Then get a 1080ti

Yeah but $700 and not being able to use freesync.  A 1080 is getting closer to what I want to spend.

 

I'm still waiting for my motherboard and case to show up anyways, so I might as well just hold tight another couple weeks for more info and take my sweet time putting this system together.

 

Maybe I'll leave the 4k display in the box and borrow the RX 470 from my current machine for the time being.

[AntonChigurh]

38 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Exactly.

AMD looking at their sales charts for Q1

[AntonChigurh]

37 minutes ago, Phate.exe said:

Yeah but $700 and not being able to use freesync.  A 1080 is getting closer to what I want to spend.

 

I'm still waiting for my motherboard and case to show up anyways, so I might as well just hold tight another couple weeks for more info and take my sweet time putting this system together.

 

Maybe I'll leave the 4k display in the box and borrow the RX 470 from my current machine for the time being.

Hey, what can I say. If you want 4k with adaptive refresh rate, go NoVideo and Gay-Sync.

 

And that'd be a good idea tbh

[Carclis]

Looks like Vega was just certified in South Korea last Tuesday. Wonder how long it'll be before it hits shelves...

[Trixanity]

6 minutes ago, Carclis said:

Looks like Vega was just certified in South Korea last Tuesday. Wonder how long it'll be before it hits shelves...

Computex launch most likely.

[Carclis]

11 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

Computex launch most likely.

Hopefully they have enough units by then and it doesn't end up just being a paper launch.

[JoeCoke]

As much as I'd love to be wrong about this, I just don't think Vega will touch the 1080ti. I'd be pretty surprised if it could beat the 1080. But who knows, let's just wait and see what happens.

[ZestyJalapeno]

12 minutes ago, 2Buck said:

 I'd be pretty surprised if it could beat the 1080. 

Big VEGA with the full fat HBM2 is projected to compete with the 1080 at 1500mhz, and since this isn't GCN, it'll probably hit higher than that

[Agosto]

57 minutes ago, Carclis said:

Looks like Vega was just certified in South Korea last Tuesday. Wonder how long it'll be before it hits shelves...

"ATI Technologies"

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