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new devices that bring us closer to converting heat to electricity

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https://phys.org/news/2016-12-devices-electricity-closer-reality.html

 

I wonder what implications this has for CPU cooling.  Can you imagine a CPU cooler that just takes all that extra heat and uses it to supplement the PSU to reduce draw from the socket?    no waste heat in the room, lower power bills, no more grinding up silverware for your custom loops..

 

 

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3 minutes ago, NoCarrier said:

https://phys.org/news/2016-12-devices-electricity-closer-reality.html

 

I wonder what implications this has for CPU cooling.  Can you imagine a CPU cooler that just takes all that extra heat and uses it to supplement the PSU to reduce draw from the socket?    no waste heat in the room, lower power bills, no more grinding up silverware for your custom loops..

 

 

RTGs are basically these things.

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By the time this actually exists commercially and has actually useful efficiency CPUs will use less power than a potato.

This is just another one of those research articles of stuff that we will never see for another half century.

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To be clear, are we talking something that extracts energy from the natural movement of heat, like a Stirling engine, or is it actually converting the heat directly into electricity?

 

And if it's the latter, is it at any appreciable rate?  or is this like, a few watts at best?

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9 minutes ago, Enderman said:

By the time this actually exists commercially and has actually useful efficiency CPUs will use less power than a potato.

This is just another one of those research articles of stuff that we will never see for another half century.

Yeah I always found it silly we spend millions researching what gives us cancer instead of spending it on a cure.

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25 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Yeah I always found it silly we spend millions researching what gives us cancer instead of spending it on a cure.

its better to prevent than to cure. to a certain degree because cancer is inevitable.

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46 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

To be clear, are we talking something that extracts energy from the natural movement of heat, like a Stirling engine, or is it actually converting the heat directly into electricity?

 

And if it's the latter, is it at any appreciable rate?  or is this like, a few watts at best?

boi aren't you forgetting something?

 

OT: So these convert heat directly into electricity without having to use any sort of turbine?

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boi aren't you forgetting something?

 

OT: So these convert heat directly into electricity without having to use any sort of turbine?

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22 minutes ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

boi aren't you forgetting something?

 

OT: So these convert heat directly into electricity without having to use any sort of turbine?

 

5 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Well the thermoelectric effect is a thing. It just needs a special material and a cold side to do it.

 

However because entropy is a thing, it probably won't provide much energy.

 

Textbooks from the 80s also heralded them as the next thing to replace all our Rankine and Brayton cycle systems. Too bad efficiency and lifespans haven't improved anywhere close to enough to be practical in anything other than RTGs where the insane long term specific energy generation of radioisotopes well outweighs the efficiency and cost issues.

 

Thermoelectric / Seeback effect work has never exceeded even 8% efficiency (and under 5% is routine, making it somehow worse even than ICEs). Some other more exotic effects need much higher temps.

 

Actually the RTG wiki has some decent detail on why this has never taken off for other uses.

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Um we kinda already do that don't we? We burn some sort of fossil fuel which heats water which pressurized steam moves a turbine.

 

So I guess this would do it more efficiently without involving the water?

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2 hours ago, Enderman said:

By the time this actually exists commercially and has actually useful efficiency CPUs will use less power than a potato.

This is just another one of those research articles of stuff that we will never see for another half century.

Pretty much. These already exist commercially though, it is a half billion dollar a year industry. I won't be holding my breath for the release of the more expensive slightly more efficient TEGs that may result.

 

2 hours ago, NoCarrier said:

I wonder what implications this has for CPU cooling.  Can you imagine a CPU cooler that just takes all that extra heat and uses it to supplement the PSU to reduce draw from the socket?

If you stick one between the CPU and cooler to generate electricity, your CPU will most likely thermal throttle (or crash) due to the significant decrease in thermal conductivity and heat dissipation. However, you might be able to run some LED lighting off the power that is generated.

1 hour ago, Misanthrope said:

So I guess this would do it more efficiently without involving the water?

Less efficiently than steam, water is optional.

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5 hours ago, Sauron said:

Uhm, steam turbines do that

that was what i was thinking. isnt converting heat to electricity our primary way to generate electricity 

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Yeah I always found it silly we spend millions researching what gives us cancer instead of spending it on a cure.

It's pretty hard to cure something when you have no idea what's causing it. Cancers vary wildly. What works well on one may have little effect on another. 

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6 hours ago, Bensemus said:

It's pretty hard to cure something when you have no idea what's causing it. Cancers vary wildly. What works well on one may have little effect on another. 

I understand it. I think it's important research

Still

People hung up on preventing cancer when everything causes it, and some more stuff in addition to that everything we haven't yet discovered

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two very common metals, nickel with a sprinkling of platinum

Platinum! A very common metal.

 

Moreover, it's definitely not news. Seebeck effect was first discovered almost 200 years ago. The article is just about one way of making seebeck effect based cells and use them for various applications, but the efficiency is still very low and this technology still needs heat dissipation to work

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14 hours ago, NoCarrier said:

https://phys.org/news/2016-12-devices-electricity-closer-reality.html

 

I wonder what implications this has for CPU cooling.  Can you imagine a CPU cooler that just takes all that extra heat and uses it to supplement the PSU to reduce draw from the socket?    no waste heat in the room, lower power bills, no more grinding up silverware for your custom loops..

 

 

While the approach may have an use, even if it doubles current efficiencies for that type of devices, it won't even come close to have an efficiency worth the trouble, meaning you would get less than 5% of the waste heat actually converted into electricity 

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9 hours ago, spartaman64 said:

that was what i was thinking. isnt converting heat to electricity our primary way to generate electricity 

Yep, even nuclear plants are just juiced up steam turbines - they only use fission to heat up the water. The outliers would be wind and solar power.

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9 hours ago, Bensemus said:

It's pretty hard to cure something when you have no idea what's causing it. Cancers vary wildly. What works well on one may have little effect on another. 

Right. There will never be such a thing as 'The cure for cancer', since there are countless different kinds of cancer that all work differently and can vary widely in treatment.

 

Just consider how different the treatment is for leukemia when compared to other types of cancer.

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7 minutes ago, Urishima said:

There will never be such a thing as 'The cure for cancer', since there are countless different kinds of cancer that all work differently and can vary widely in treatment.

 

 

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Not only because of that. I believe the main reason for never having 'The not cure cancer' is because currently, it's making good money. For those in charge, there is no reason to change the income. That's right, the ill ones are no reason for them...

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2 hours ago, bigneo said:

Not only because of that. I believe the main reason for never having 'The not cure cancer' is because currently, it's making good money. For those in charge, there is no reason to change the income. That's right, the ill ones are no reason for them...

At the same time, if any 1 company found a cure for some type of cancer, they could charge absolutely insane prices.  And they would make insane amounts of money, until another company figured out a way as well.  There are too many companies in too many countries trying to find the cure.  And the first one to find a cure will reap huge rewards.  Insurance companies would pay astronomical rates for a cure, since it would likely be cheaper than treatment.

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13 hours ago, Syntaxvgm said:

I understand it. I think it's important research

Still

People hung up on preventing cancer when everything causes it, and some more stuff in addition to that everything we haven't yet discovered

"This just in, reading about preventing cancer causes cancer."

I'm saying you can't create a cure until you know what is actualy causing the cancer. I'm not talking about prevention. The comment I replied to talked about spending money on research into the causes instead of making cure. I'm saying that's exactly what you have to do.

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9 hours ago, Urishima said:

Just consider how different the treatment is for leukemia when compared to other types of cancer.

The treatment for cancers can even be different person to person due to the nature of cancer and how they arise from mutations. None of that can be solved without first having a clear understanding of whats going on.

 

I've kinda gone off topic so I think no more cancer talk :P

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