What would it take for YOU to switch to Ryzen/Vega

[littlepigboy5]

1 hour ago, Clanscorpia said:

OMG you guys all assume it will be so cheap xDDDD If its that cheap AMD will just get squashed by Intel. AMD cant afford to do cheap prices. They need money. Intel doesnt. They have billions in pure cash and near no long term debt. AMD is the exact oppossite. Intel can just lower the prices to cheaper than AMDs and people will buy the Intels. Ryzen wont be under i5-6400 price for the 4/8 under the 6700K for the 6/12, and not under the 5820K for the 8/12. The "1080" Vega will also not be under 1070 price and so on

you're right, it shouldn't be assume that AMD prices will be so extremely cheap, there are regulations on that sort of thing, but what you said doesn't make sense.  AMD is a business, and if they make their products more avaliable than intels price wise, they will profit.  Intel's products are overpriced, and will come down as a result, but they have enough of a reputation as to where they don't need to undercut AMD's prices.

[malon]

It beeing way better than what i have for a good price, or beeing good for a low budget pc, one of those 2.

[masterkickass7]

no reason as my setup is to new to upgrade in the next 2 years 

[PlayStation 2]

Not much outside of money. I'm rocking an FX-4100 and a 7850 so I'm not that picky on what I'd upgrade to.

[Clanscorpia]

19 minutes ago, littlepigboy5 said:

you're right, it shouldn't be assume that AMD prices will be so extremely cheap, there are regulations on that sort of thing, but what you said doesn't make sense.  AMD is a business, and if they make their products more avaliable than intels price wise, they will profit.  Intel's products are overpriced, and will come down as a result, but they have enough of a reputation as to where they don't need to undercut AMD's prices.

With the current fanboys they would.

[kirashi]

9 hours ago, littlepigboy5 said:

 What would it take for YOU to switch?

Cards being sold at or below MSRP. Oh wait. hahahahahaahahahahaahahahaha. I'm asking for too much.

[hotredsam]

It would have to be cheaper compared to other competitors.

[Eaglerino]

Intel's supposed to come out with Cannonlake later this year so I'd probably, as usual, wait for that and conclude neither are a significant enough upgrade for what I'm with now. Until I upgrade to 4K I don't even think last generations upgrades would make a big difference for me since I'm still maxing out every game that comes out at 60FPS, except maybe Crysis 3 but no one actually plays Crysis

[Princess Luna]

I just built a Skylake system, I'm good to go for the next three years at least, I suppose though if the whole zen deal works out it'll cheap up prices here in three years of Intel and that would be neat.

[Jamtoad]

All it will take is me having the money to afford it. 

 

Once I do I'm going to have rayzen Vega build 

[themctipers]

cheap

 

better than i7 3770k

better than r9 380

 

not baller requirements.

[Jamtoad]

3 hours ago, Clanscorpia said:

OMG you guys all assume it will be so cheap xDDDD If its that cheap AMD will just get squashed by Intel. AMD cant afford to do cheap prices. They need money. Intel doesnt. They have billions in pure cash and near no long term debt. AMD is the exact oppossite. Intel can just lower the prices to cheaper than AMDs and people will buy the Intels. Ryzen wont be under i5-6400 price for the 4/8 under the 6700K for the 6/12, and not under the 5820K for the 8/12. The "1080" Vega will also not be under 1070 price and so on

Considering they got there silicon lottery winner chips to run doom at 4k ultra at 70 fps I doubt it will be cheap like amd stuff is right now 

[dizmo]

Similar performance at a lower cost, and an mITX motherboard with decent spec. I'd also love it if it hits the 95w TDP that they were boasting for the higher. I'll likely go with the 490 since it'll handle 2560x1080 quite well.

 

2 hours ago, littlepigboy5 said:

you're right, it shouldn't be assume that AMD prices will be so extremely cheap, there are regulations on that sort of thing, but what you said doesn't make sense.  AMD is a business, and if they make their products more avaliable than intels price wise, they will profit.  Intel's products are overpriced, and will come down as a result, but they have enough of a reputation as to where they don't need to undercut AMD's prices.

You're right. AMD is a business, and in order to stay competitive they have to price themselves reasonably within the market. People are used to paying Intel pricing, so if they're just slightly lower, people will consider them instead. No need to go rock bottom.

11 hours ago, littlepigboy5 said:

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Though we didn't get to see an amd/intel in the graphics department, that Doom demo was pretty impressive.  I don't really have a "team", but I do use an intel CPU because they are objectively better, and I use an Nvidia GTX 1080 because it, aside from the titan XP, reigns king over all cards.  For me to switch to Ryzen, the processsor would have to beat out my 4790 and be under 200.  For me to switch to vega, well, it would have to out perform the 1080 and be under $400.  If I was building a new computer, and I had to pick between vega and a 1080, they would have to be in a few frames of each other and vega would have to be less, but not by much, maybe $50 USD.  What would it take for YOU to switch?

What did you mean by Intel/AMD in the graphics department?

Haha, those are some pretty wild dreams for pricing there

11 hours ago, ONOTech said:

I was going for a Xeon 1231 V3 for $250, but if there's a chance for an over-clockable Haswell-performing 6C/12T Ryzen CPU for around $300, I would certainly buy that instead.

 

Oh, and mITX. I'm a SFF whore

I really don't think the 6c/12t Ryzen will be aaaaaanywhere near that cheap

10 hours ago, Omie said:

I'm always sticking to Intel from now on. I highly doubt Ryzen will beat out Intel's line. Intel is a massive company and I know a lot of people are having their doubts about Intel due to the very little performance gain from Skylake -> Kabylake, but Intel is not stupid. There has to be a reason, IMO, maybe because their confident Ryzen won't top them and they could have had inside information, who knows.

 

I'm interested in Vega too but much like Ryzen, I highly doubt it would top Nvidia's lineup.

Ryzen isn't setting out to top Intel. They're setting out to compete with Intel, meaning that they'll likely have a slightly lower performing product and a price to match.

6 hours ago, treeroy said:

I would strongly consider buying a Vega card if there's a high end one that isn't at Nvidia's stupid pricing.

Nvidia's pricing isn't stupid. It's priced reasonably, especially considering the huge amounts of R&D that went into it.

 

[Princess Luna]

9 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Similar performance at a lower cost, and an mITX motherboard with decent spec. I'd also love it if it hits the 95w TDP that they were boasting for the higher. I'll likely go with the 490 since it'll handle 2560x1080 quite well.

 

You're right. AMD is a business, and in order to stay competitive they have to price themselves reasonably within the market. People are used to paying Intel pricing, so if they're just slightly lower, people will consider them instead. No need to go rock bottom.

What did you mean by Intel/AMD in the graphics department?

Haha, those are some pretty wild dreams for pricing there

I really don't think the 6c/12t Ryzen will be aaaaaanywhere near that cheap

Ryzen isn't setting out to top Intel. They're setting out to compete with Intel, meaning that they'll likely have a slightly lower performing product and a price to match.

Nvidia's pricing isn't stupid. It's priced reasonably, especially considering the huge amounts of R&D that went into it.

 

Thank you for your post, people start losing touch with reality so much on this kind of thing that see someone within reason always saves the thread [:

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

If I could dual-boot OSX and Windows 10 without a hitch. Which probably never going to happen on an AMD system. Guess this could be my last.  

[Kenoxabe]

Hmmm...

 

I'm only looking to upgrade my GPU..

 

So...say... $400 on a GPU that performs like a 1080 (or better with Driver improvements), I'm sold.

 

[Helly]

Nothing, dont need a cpu upgrade for now but im buying 2 of the fastest vega's as soon as i can. Dont care about the price, as i hate nvidia and am never buying them again. Ive had to many problems with their cards and drivers to last me a lifetime.

 

might upgrade my htpc to ryzen though. But probably not as its running fine for now.

[dizmo]

37 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Thank you for your post, people start losing touch with reality so much on this kind of thing that see someone within reason always saves the thread [:

*tips hat* any time ma'am (assuming!)

[Tacos4all]

Honestly it just comes down to price/performance to me. We have seen with Intel's CPU's that simple numbers aren't everything. AMD beats Intel in the numbers departments. Cheaper, more cores, higher clock speeds, etc... But in real-world performance, Intel wins. Currently that is. I would be excited to see AMD rise back up the challenge and become a real competitor rather than a budget build cpu/gpu.

I think due to AMD's falling off the radar the last few years has caused Intel to become complacent. I know they have the excuse that they want to work towards other facets of their business, but I don't buy it. I think they have lost the drive of innovation. Intel is a big and rich enough brand to devote resources wherever they need it, and however much is needed. 

So when Ryzen and Vega come out, I will look at benchmarks and prices and see where it takes me. Be an empirical buyer. Buy based off recorded performance. One thing I will say, if the Ryzen and Vega platforms simply match Intel/Nvidia's current performance, it will spell good things to the impartial gamers who may be looking to the monitor to make their decision. And right now, Free-Sync monitors are cheaper than G-Sync. Thing is, Idk if I will enjoy a Vega GPU for a few years as I will be purchasing a 1070 pretty soon. Getting a GIGABYTE GTX G1 1070 for $260 from a friend

[bandage106]

I'm still on ivy bridge but for me I'm going to be building a PC soon because I'm now starting to feel the effects of CPU throttling in some of the games I'm currently playing which is unfortunate. But for me to upgrade I'm going to have to line it up against Skylake-X when it releases I mean comparably to what Intel are offering with broadwell E the 8 core AMD processor definetely looks more appealing but I guess it all comes down to price. 

 

I have quite a bit of money though I'm going to be dropping on a PC so I don't think price to performance is really a factor nearly as much as raw performance though, so like I said I'll need to compare Skylake X against Ryzen objectively or I could just wait a bit more to see how Cannonlake compares I'm interested in just what PCIE 4.0 will offer on the final specifications. 

[slashed_wings]

I am looking to replace most of my PC as its showing its age in some areas. If ryzen can outperform a 7700k and is the same price or a little bit more i would be happy for the next couple of years. i would be hoping for the 8 core but wont find out until the pricing is released on launch.

[michaelocarroll007]

the 8 Core Performance and price would have to be really good that i just want it so i buy it for no real reason lol.

 

i only game time to time and webrowse mainly so my Watercooled 4.2ghz 4690k doesnt struggle at all with the light tasks i give it. so it would more be a Gotta get it cause its fast and its not intel priced lol. ill probably be another 2 years till i upgrade if it starts struggling 

[JCBiggs]

fully optimized for engineering/open gl hardware. 

[dizmo]

7 hours ago, ONOTech said:

A 5820K is $389 and often goes on sale for $370. 6C / 12 T for $300-350 isn't far fetched of you consider the competition.

 

Basically, if its the same price as the 6700K or less, which it really should be, I'll buy it. Here's to hoping!

It's a generation old. Of course it's cheaper. If it performs nearly the same as their 6900k (or whatever chip it was) then it only makes sense to price it closer to that.

 

I mean, I hope it's cheap too, but if you truly care about AMD you won't hope that they're going to give rock bottom pricing. They need a high profit margin from these chips.

[App4that]

Pricing.