Do you agree with nVidia's GPU pricing... - IT HAS DOUBLED!

[MageTank]

1 minute ago, arnavvr said:

What's the point when your ITX and can't SLI 1060s anyways?

Technically, my board supports a split riser, but you are correct, couldn't fit two 1060's in my case. 

[arnavvr]

Just now, MageTank said:

Technically, my board supports a split riser, but you are correct, couldn't fit two 1060's in my case. 

My Second Point Is Still Valid Though, You Can't SLI 1060s, and that is a big advantage of buying a 480.

[App4that]

15 minutes ago, Energycore said:

I wouldn't go as far, but it makes 30 feel like 45 (in my experience which is limited)

 

Seems like the market is hitting a bit of a bump in the road.

GSYNC also makes SLI feel like a single card. Made the investment officially worth it for me.

[Energycore]

Just now, App4that said:

GSYNC also makes SLI feel like a single card. Made the investment officially worth it for me.

Ooo Freesync may do that for Crossfire as well

 

I might show some AMD bias but well, their stuff is cheaper lol

[Morgan Everett]

16 minutes ago, arnavvr said:

My Second Point Is Still Valid Though, You Can't SLI 1060s, and that is a big advantage of buying a 480.

It's an advantage, but probably not a big one.

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Energycore said:

Ooo Freesync may do that for Crossfire as well

 

I might show some AMD bias but well, their stuff is cheaper lol

FreeSync is software not hardware like GSYNC. Means it only works at certain fps, and helps with tearing and not much else. FreeSync is great for what it is, and GSYNC is way overpriced. But dumb asses like me do pay the premium for a reason. 

[arnavvr]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

FreeSync is software not hardware like GSYNC. Means it only works at certain fps, and helps with tearing and not much else. FreeSync is great for what it is, and GSYNC is way overpriced. But dumb asses like me do pay the premium for a reason. 

 

Dumbasses like you also buy a 980Ti for 1080p Gaming 

[App4that]

1 minute ago, arnavvr said:

Dumbasses like you also buy a 980Ti for 1080p Gaming 

And a second for 1440 lol, some of us never learn.

[MadyTehWolfie]

4 hours ago, Paradine Sage said:

And for $460 you could get an EVGA hybrid 1070 and overclock it to about the same performance point, with none of the downsides of multiple cards.

True though I wasnt talking about the 1070vs two 1060's. I was pointing out that you were wrong about pricing and that it would be cheaper to buy a 1080 then two 1060's.

[MadyTehWolfie]

1 hour ago, arnavvr said:

Dumbasses like you also buy a 980Ti for 1080p Gaming 

Depends on what games you want to completely max out. A few games this generation that the 980ti can't run at max settings without drops below 60fps.

1 hour ago, App4that said:

And a second for 1440 lol, some of us never learn.

There are even more games this gen that the 980ti cant run in 1440 without dropping below 60fps in max settings.

 

No point in higher res if you have to lower settings to not drop below 60fps.

[Morgan MLGman]

10 hours ago, App4that said:

Very convenient that the RX 480 beating the 390x after a few months is viewed as driver improvement, but if the 1060 all of a sudden started beating the 980 it would be because Nvidia gimped the 980.

 

Hmmm. Convenient, or troubling? 

 

 

Though it's not because the 390X stopped working properly and didn't receive optimizations, it's because the 480 just performs better now. It was reviewed on new drivers and compared to the 1060, got around 7-8% of performance on average since launch.

[jjohnthedon1]

8 hours ago, App4that said:

GSYNC also makes SLI feel like a single card. Made the investment officially worth it for me.

Same ! 

Totaly worth it 

[Andrew Sh]

The pricing has increased similar to the resolution the cards are aimed at has increased.

I bought an MSI R9 6970 Lightning (as you may know, the lightning cards always carry a premium) for just ~350 euro.

This card was aimed at 1080p gaming and did awesome at the time.

 

Then I had an Asus GTX 770, another 1080p card at it's release (but now a mid range card) bought for ~320 if I remember right.

So at this point for the same price you'd get a mid range card.

Same thing happened with the 970.

This time around, the 1070 costs far above that but I believe there's a reason.

Like any other business, Nvidia's goal is to make money.
AMD decided to not compete in the high end market this time around.

So if Nvidia is the only side that can provide full on 1440p/4k single gpu cards then why not charge more for it?
If Vega will be as good as predicted, you can expect Nvidia to start cutting prices very sharply to stay competitive.

No one will pay $700-800 for a gpu that can be matched (or close to it) from AMD for $500.

 

At the end of the day, fanboys will be fanboys. But you'll still see that most people will go for Nvidia if they actually want proper 4k gaming because at the moment AMD simply can't provide that.

Nvidia grabbed the market by the balls and they are latched on tightly till AMD releases 4k capable single GPUs
 

[DocSwag]

19 hours ago, WhiteSkyMage said:

Actually mate, the consumers themselves have a fault too. Remember there is this "nameshare" of "nvidia" going around. Now, AMD doesn't have the cash to do that much of advertising, as nVidia does. And yet the worst thing of all is, if you look at the odds, look at how much nvidia earned with their GTX 260, and then with their really bad Fermi line up, while AMD had the 5870s, Nvidia could barely match them, YET, they made 2x more money for just 3 months that AMD made in 3 years!

 

It is not AMD's fault. It's the stupid consumer market. "nvidia" sounds in people's ears, that's what they buy, noone compares, they just buy what they are TOLD it's good, and F the competition. Even when AMD won, they still lost. The enthusiast market can't hold the market in a balance when there are 1000s of nvidia fanboys around. 

 

For that reason, I don't care if Vega 10 wins or not whatever high end card their competitors have, I am just gonna buy it and not care if it can or can not be compared to GTX Titan X(P) or GTX 1080Ti. And keep in mind that Intel will use AMD Radeon iGPU for their future CPUs (they've given enough to nVidia at this point every year). In other words, AMD will have a big cash flowing in, they will supply iGPUs for Intel CPUs and for the consoles, as well as high end server CPUs that now they have a hands with Ryzen - and so they have now only 1 competitor - nVidia, or to be more precise, the mindshare of nvidia.

If you'll just take a look:

https://www.google.com/search?q=amd+nvidia+market+share&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS590US590&hl=en-US&prmd=nisv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjqgduWlpzRAhUJxlQKHW0wBBgQ_AUICCgC&biw=1024&bih=653#imgrc=g88_VTX6fz73XM%3

 

During the launches of the 4000 and 5000 series amd's market share SIGNIFICANTLY went up. So I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

And amd is only licensing IP to Intel, the same thing Nvidia has been doing to Intel for ages. Intel just switched recently. It's not really a huge cash flow. And if you took any look at amd's recent financial statements consoles generally only generate $100 million profit, MAX.

 

And if you're saying that they'll make a lot off CPUs, then what's the point of supporting GPUs? If they can make so much money off it then they'll have a ton of money to market and build GPUs?!?

 

AMD was at a steady 35-40% market share until Maxwell, so then it must not be mindshare. If a lot of people were buying before, then how could it be mindshare?

[Sirgeorge]

AMD is looking very attractive these days to me. It's why I only buy their hardware. Regardless, I can't wait for the next round of upgrades (probably mid/late 2017) for me.

[arnavvr]

9 hours ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

Depends on what games you want to completely max out. A few games this generation that the 980ti can't run at max settings without drops below 60fps.

There are even more games this gen that the 980ti cant run in 1440 without dropping below 60fps in max settings.

 

No point in higher res if you have to lower settings to not drop below 60fps.

 

You really don't need 16x MSAA. "Max Settings" is Over Rated. I think 980Ti SLI is perfectly fine for 1440p.

[MadyTehWolfie]

23 minutes ago, arnavvr said:

You really don't need 16x MSAA. "Max Settings" is Over Rated. I think 980Ti SLI is perfectly fine for 1440p.

Wasn't talking about SLI was talking about a single 980ti which is what you stated. No where in your other posts did you mention SLI.

[App4that]

7 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Though it's not because the 390X stopped working properly and didn't receive optimizations, it's because the 480 just performs better now. It was reviewed on new drivers and compared to the 1060, got around 7-8% of performance on average since launch.

So the 390 didn't get 30 fps in Forza Horizon 3 while the 970 and 480 got 60 fps? Because that's what happened, and why it's dangerous to give AMD so much rope.

 

The 970 and 980 continue to see drivers, the 290 and 390 are not so lucky. 

 

Now only looking at the drivers AMD didn't make is as bad as only looking at the ones they did. But we don't use cards for one game, do we?

 

Fun to be a fan, but it's dangerous if you take it too far. Letting AMD get away with things that you wouldn't Nvidia do will just get you a AMD that acts the same as Nvidia. 

[Dabombinable]

4 hours ago, App4that said:

So the 390 didn't get 30 fps in Forza Horizon 3 while the 970 and 480 got 60 fps? Because that's what happened, and why it's dangerous to give AMD so much rope.

 

The 970 and 980 continue to see drivers, the 290 and 390 are not so lucky. 

 

Now only looking at the drivers AMD didn't make is as bad as only looking at the ones they did. But we don't use cards for one game, do we?

 

Fun to be a fan, but it's dangerous if you take it too far. Letting AMD get away with things that you wouldn't Nvidia do will just get you a AMD that acts the same as Nvidia. 

Eg: Releasing what is supposed to be the "proper" version of a GPU, and then having said GPU stealth share system memory so that it reports more vRAM than the card actually has

Original Geforce 6200 (128MB-256MB actual vRAM over a 128bit bus)

Replacement Geforce 6200 Turbocache (16, 32 or 64MB vRAM, 112-448MB system memory stealth shared) often sold with no differentiation from the original.

 

Yes BTW, I'm still fucking pissed about that. And when I bought my GTX 970 AMD didn't have any card with matching performance and power consumption for use on weaker PSU-so I had no alternative (fuck Nvidia for being scumbags, and fuck AMD for not competing)

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Dabombinable said:

Eg: Releasing what is supposed to be the "proper" version of a GPU, and then having said GPU stealth share system memory so that it reports more vRAM than the card actually has

Original Geforce 6200 (128MB-256MB actual vRAM over a 128bit bus)

Replacement Geforce 6200 Turbocache (16, 32 or 64MB vRAM, 112-448MB system memory stealth shared) often sold with no differentiation from the original.

 

Yes BTW, I'm still fucking pissed about that. And when I bought my GTX 970 AMD didn't have any card with matching performance and power consumption for use on weaker PSU-so I had no alternative (fuck Nvidia for being scumbags, and fuck AMD for not competing)

Nvidia is no more a scumbag than AMD. Neither will do anything the consumer won't allow, and anything the consumer will allow.

 

Bulldozer? Pro Duo? Radiator and pump on the Fury X?

 

Companies are not your friend, they are companies. 

[Dabombinable]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

Nvidia is no more a scumbag than AMD. Neither will do anything the consumer won't allow, and anything the consumer will allow.

 

Bulldozer? Pro Duo? Radiator and pump on the Fury X?

 

Companies are not your friend, they are companies. 

When you get a baldfaced lie from them, and their only response is to fob you off.....

[App4that]

9 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

When you get a baldfaced lie from them, and their only response is to fob you off.....

AMD does it too. How many times have they said their new product would beat the competition? Only for it to be a lie?

 

All companies are companies. You don't get that large without screwing people over, sadly.

[CDHoward]

Regarding the Intel/NVidia fanboys in this thread: they really are the most bitter and horrible people.

[DocSwag]

8 hours ago, CDHoward said:

Regarding the Intel/NVidia fanboys in this thread: they really are the most bitter and horrible people.

I personally don't see any Intel/Nvidia fanboys on this thread... Only neutral people and AMD fanboys.

[Dabombinable]

6 hours ago, DocSwag said:

I personally don't see any Intel/Nvidia fanboys on this thread... Only neutral people and AMD fanboys.

As I've said, fuck Nvidia and fuck AMD.