California first state to restrict energy used by computers

[N3v3r3nding_N3wb]

I don't see how the government has the right to do this.  While in practice, it's not a big deal, in principle it leads to overreaching government, just like lots of things nowadays. Thank you, People's Republik of Kalifornia.

[Belgarathian]

2 hours ago, Okjoek said:

Honestly I don't know why SLI and Xfire are even a thing. What kind of things can I not do with a single GPU? Is there some kind of non-industrial task out there that benefits from having more than 1 Titan XP?

Drive 4k UHD @ 60FPS on High/Ultra settings on Witcher 3. We're on the cusp of single GPU capability, but not reliably there yet. 

[Okjoek]

41 minutes ago, N3v3r3nding_N3wb said:

I don't see how the government has the right to do this.  While in practice, it's not a big deal, in principle it leads to overreaching government, just like lots of things nowadays. Thank you, People's Republik of Kalifornia.

It seems to me that some people are so paranoid of the government that they are willing to accept monopolies and corporate interest to use our government like a puppet to the point where dictators are equally preferable. I don't see a bright future when you combine automation technology, globalism and capitalism. Whatever jobs aren't automated are lost as corporations are allowed to flee whatever country doesn't let their workers be treated like garbage so everybody loses but the oligarchs.

[Albatross]

California is a joke. They get worse and worse every year because they're controlled by morons.

[Scitesh]

19 minutes ago, Okjoek said:

It seems to me that some people are so paranoid of the government that they are willing to accept monopolies and corporate interest to use our government like a puppet to the point where dictators are equally preferable. I don't see a bright future when you combine automation technology, globalism and capitalism. Whatever jobs aren't automated are lost as corporations are allowed to flee whatever country doesn't let their workers be treated like garbage so everybody loses but the oligarchs.

Until they merge into BnL  and we all get to live on the axiom

 

17 minutes ago, Albatross said:

California is a joke. They get worse and worse every year because they're controlled by morons.

They are better than china there reincarnation without permission of govt is illegal.....

[Guest]

3 hours ago, VerticalDiscussions said:

40$ in savings?

 

Wow, now i can finally buy the Titan T Volta!

It will be called Titan X again

Titan XM

XP

XT

 

Somewhere

Titan XX

[goodtofufriday]

3 hours ago, Joe_MacDougall said:

I will run 4 Titan Z's in protest with an FX 8350.

You pleb. Get on my amd level. 9590

[SSL]

1 hour ago, N3v3r3nding_N3wb said:

While in practice, it's not a big deal, in principle it leads to overreaching government

 

I think you have that backwards.

[Curufinwe_wins]

1 hour ago, AshleyAshes said:

While you are all raging about 'Evil Government', don't most PC's support these kinds of things already as a result of compliance with the European Union's Energy-Related Products Directive? (ErP)

Yes. which was my point in the first comment.

[Sniperfox47]

You guys are missing the whole point of this... It's not limiting max wattage, it's putting a minimum efficiency rating on them, and a maximum power draw *at idle*. If you're using your computer it doesn't affect you. When your computer goes to sleep, or turns the monitor off and spins down that's when the requirements kick in. Intel and everyone are onboard, helping to set the standard in such a way that it offers sustainable growth in *IDLE* power efficiency.

[AresKrieger]

47 minutes ago, Okjoek said:

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The reason we fear the government over companies is simple, the government can throw you in jail for not obeying them corporations cannot. They are not comparable in terms of power level, a corporation may have the power to ruin the lives of many but a large enough government can literally destroy the world.

 

Also this has nothing to do with corporations it is a needless regulation enforced by a laughable state government

[Nowak]

California, please stop.

[Bensemus]

I don't see how requireimg new hardware to be more efficient when sleeping is a bad thing. This doesn't force people to replace hardware and it doesn't reduce the power while operating. It just lowers the power wasted when the device is doing nothing. Massive amounts of power are wasted by the small drain all devices have. Reducing that waste is a good thing.

[Mooshi]

5 hours ago, Belgarathian said:

Most workplaces replace hardware every 2-3 years anyway making savings negligible given that the majority of workforce run mobile devices anyway unless they require workstations such as Mac Pro, or equivalent. 

 

I just can't see the major benefits they're touting. The only person that I can see this having a significant effect on is a small home business, or likewise where the aged technology is due to capital restriction, not energy efficiency and the efficiency gain isn't worth the investment. 

That's cute...my place of employment missed that memo 6 years ago. 

[RGProductions]

1 hour ago, Sniperfox47 said:

You guys are missing the whole point of this... It's not limiting max wattage, it's putting a minimum efficiency rating on them, and a maximum power draw *at idle*. If you're using your computer it doesn't affect you. When your computer goes to sleep, or turns the monitor off and spins down that's when the requirements kick in. Intel and everyone are onboard, helping to set the standard in such a way that it offers sustainable growth in *IDLE* power efficiency.

 

We just like raging apparently.

[Sniperfox47]

1 minute ago, RGProductions said:

We just like raging apparently.

Apparently...

[JoseGuya]

First, they came for the small regulations, like zoning and shit, then, they went a little bigger, like size of stuff and the like (soda sizes), and everyone agree. Later, they started regulating what is truth, and what is fake (fake news), and before everyone realized, it was  1984. 

 

I know a lot of people here will tell me I'm overreacting, but think about it. A little power here, a little power there, and the suddenly Kim Jong-un is ruling your country. Autocracy always comes in small steps, and believe me, I lived that in South America. 

[Sniperfox47]

11 minutes ago, JoseGuya said:

First, they came for the small regulations, like zoning and shit, then, they went a little bigger, like size of stuff and the like (soda sizes), and everyone agree. Later, they started regulating what is truth, and what is fake (fake news), and before everyone realized, it was  1984. 

 

I know a lot of people here will tell me I'm overreacting, but think about it. A little power here, a little power there, and the suddenly Kim Jong-un is ruling your country. Autocracy always comes in small steps, and believe me, I lived that in South America. 

I get where you're coming from but there's a reason why the rest of the tech industry is on board with this.

 

The industry needs pushes in the direction it needs to head. A truly free market is an even scarier thing than one controlled by a single individual.

[Trik'Stari]

California logic:

 

"We're going to save our residents money, by making the things they buy more expensive"

[Thony]

Cant wait for Jay2cents opinion on this

 

I personally think its stupid and theres is many more other areas they can cut the cost down.

[Thony]

Cant wait for Jay2cents opinion on this

 

I personally think its stupid and theres is many more other areas they can cut the cost down.

[tlink]

everyone here is so good at overreacting about state regulations, NOTHING OF THIS INFLUENCES YOUR ACTIVE POWER CONSUMPTION!!!! NOTHING!!!!!! THIS IS ONLY FOR INACTIVE STATES!!!! if you don't like them then just make sure you'r pc isn't on idle, sleep, hibernate etc. the eu ALREADY has regulations for that in place! my power supply already is ready for the standard they are proposing here and i bought it 2 years ago!

http://www.energy.ca.gov/2016publications/CEC-400-2016-026/CEC-400-2016-026-FS.pdf

[Sniperfox47]

22 minutes ago, tlink said:

everyone here is so good at overreacting about state regulations, NOTHING OF THIS INFLUENCES YOUR ACTIVE POWER CONSUMPTION!!!! NOTHING!!!!!! THIS IS ONLY FOR INACTIVE STATES!!!! if you don't like them then just make sure you'r pc isn't on idle, sleep, hibernate etc. the eu ALREADY has regulations for that in place! my power supply already is ready for the standard they are proposing here and i bought it 2 years ago!

http://www.energy.ca.gov/2016publications/CEC-400-2016-026/CEC-400-2016-026-FS.pdf

Their regulations are actually a sliver heavier than the EU ones, specifically for the reason of pushing things forward, but other than that you're completely right.

[Okjoek]

7 hours ago, AresKrieger said:

The reason we fear the government over companies is simple, the government can throw you in jail for not obeying them corporations cannot. They are not comparable in terms of power level, a corporation may have the power to ruin the lives of many but a large enough government can literally destroy the world.

 

Also this has nothing to do with corporations it is a needless regulation enforced by a laughable state government

I'm curious what you mean by "destroy the world".

 

US arms dealers have lobbied the government to supply massive quantities of weapons to countries with rampant human right violations and uses support by militarized police to push through their projects that can have devastating impacts on the environment and communities of that environment as they cut corners and shrug off superficial fines.

We've propagated a proxy war for the past half decade inching us closer to WW3 because y'know war is business.

 

[SirRoderick]

11 hours ago, Drak3 said:

Overbearing state govt. well overreaching their bounds again? Doesn't surprise me.

 

A user looking to make their own systems more efficient with new parts is, very much, their right. It's also a mentality that, while I don't practice it, applaud.

But forcing that ideology onto all users, and even companies, is not the right of government, and more often than not, sees only one result: increase of cost to the consumers.

These are just energy efficiency standards for manufacturers. Similar to those already in place in the EU, it's frankly more of a formality than anything else. It is to legally frame the requirements of electronic components in monitors and PC's to be efficient, how is that not a good thing?

 

I always thought the "if I want to run an unfiltered coal engine in my car I should be able to" argument ridiculously selfish and destructive. There are basic minimum standards that all manufacturers should live up to, not just in PCs and cars but in all industries. Determining what those standards are is VERY much the government's job.