non-biased pc vs console

[thatcoolcat1]

Disclaimer: I know Linus Tech Tips already has a video about this, I am just explaining what I see in this battle.

 

To start I have various consoles, and a pretty decent gaming PC (entry/mid level). The war is here:

 

PC's cost more than consoles.

Well duh.

Consoles can game, stream Netflix (i know what they can stream), and surf the web.

PC's can game, stream, surf the web, download programs, run various programs, edit, word processing, calculating, bitcoin and litecoin mining, and finally be a tool at work and organizations.

Xbox one: $500 (now $250)

PC of same specs: more like a $500 upgrade alone from previous hardware

 

Finally, custom PC's cost more because Microsoft and other console brands are buying components in BIG bulk, and custom builds are induvidual.

[NinjaJc01]

Every PC I have built has cost less than a console. The PC I'm in the middle of building is only going to cost me £250 in total, and it will perform better than current consoles.

[thatcoolcat1]

yea the info is somewhat old and the tides may have turned

[Nena Trinity]

But the is console a 8-core Jaguar + HD 7770? All we need is a cheap AMD 8-core with a R7 360 and we beat it right?

 

PC Build Guide – Console Killer: (Less than 450$)

*CPU: AMD FX-8350

*GPU: XFX Radeon R7 360 2GB DD

*Mobo: MSI 970 Gaming ATX AM3+ Motherboard

*RAM: Mushkin Silverline 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1333MHz

*PSU: EVGA 500W Power Supply Unit (bronze)

*Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM HDD

*http://pcpartpicker.com/list/dqGDcc

 

 

[thatcoolcat1]

read the specs and xbox one is 8 core amd or ati idk

[thatcoolcat1]

prefer intel

[007agentHP]

well not really. this below is an exact PS4 Specs in a PC

It has

2 AMD 5150 CPUS

a Cut down Radeon HD 7870 

a 500GB hard drive

8 GB of Shared Memory

Some Custom Motherboard

[zehao39]

8 minutes ago, NinjaJc01 said:

Every PC I have built has cost less than a console. The PC I'm in the middle of building is only going to cost me £250 in total, and it will perform better than current consoles.

I am on the PC side. However, just want point out that game console have better optimize in gaming and they are design for gaming. I think a 250 $ PC will have less gaming performance in games

[AresKrieger]

3 minutes ago, zehao39 said:

I am on the PC side. However, just want point out that game console have better optimize in gaming and they are design for gaming. I think a 250 $ PC will have less gaming performance in games

They tend to be better optimized however there have been quite of few lag fests as of late on consoles as well.

 

Also turning down settings =/= to optimization but is a key part in making games run on console

[NinjaJc01]

2 minutes ago, zehao39 said:

I am on the PC side. However, just want point out that game console have better optimize in gaming and they are design for gaming. I think a 250 $ PC will have less gaming performance in games

Firstly, I work in GBP, and no, consoles are not normally better optimized. Games run at lower "settings" on console, and tend to be locked to 30FPS, which looks awful to anyone who is used to 60FPS.

[MEC-777]

As far as cost is concerned, as soon as you factor in the cost of games, PC blows the consoles out of the water.

 

Also, you can't directly compare the hardware to the PC counterparts because the PS4 uses GDDR5 memory, the xbox one has it's own little hardware tricks and the console versions of games are usually better optimized for that specific hardware. It also depends on the resolution and graphics settings you're playing at on PC. 

 

Honestly, this "war" has been beat to death far too many times. Just play on what ever platform you prefer and enjoy the most. There need not be any judgement. 

[thatcoolcat1]

5 minutes ago, zehao39 said:

I am on the PC side. However, just want point out that game console have better optimize in gaming and they are design for gaming. I think a 250 $ PC will have less gaming performance in games

yes

[zehao39]

Just now, AresKrieger said:

They tend to have better optimized however there have been quite of few lag fests as of late on consoles as well.

the point I saw is a 400$ PC may have the power to play the current game with out lower than 60fps but the problem is in next 5 years you will have a bad experience. For the consoles it will promises to play the future game around 30fps

[SageOfSpice]

A similar PC BARELY costs more.

 

If I wasn't an idiot when I built my PC, I could've built it for about $500-$600.

The PS4 still costs $400 at Walmart.

 

The PC also comes with better warranty, lol.

 

 

I don't know. I just don't really like consoles. I don't like not having control over the environment. I don't like the concept of a console turning into a brick when it's sentence is done. I don't like that backwards compatibility still isn't really a thing. I don't like being charged for using online services. I don't like not being able to easily swap out components or being able to properly diagnose something.

 

That's just me, though.

Consoles have their place, but honestly, price isn't something I even look at. Maybe if consoles were $200 cheaper. Maybe. I still don't like collecting consoles though, I've already got 3 I don't use.

[thatcoolcat1]

all the yes

[MEC-777]

18 minutes ago, 007agentHP said:

well not really. this below is an exact PS4 Specs in a PC

It has

2 AMD 5150 CPUS

a Cut down Radeon HD 7870 

a 500GB hard drive

8 GB of Shared Memory

Some Custom Motherboard

Not exactly. PS4 uses GDDR5 memory and the GPU is a variant of the 7870 chip.

[AresKrieger]

Just now, zehao39 said:

the point I saw is a 400$ PC may have the power to play the current game with out lower than 60fps but the problem is in next 5 years you will have a bad experience. For the consoles it will promises to play the future game around 30fps

Ideally it would but as I said developers have been doing craptastic optimizations on the PS4 and Xbone, additionally at the settings consoles set games to even a $400 PC may last 4 years

 

Either way it's a tradeoff, but consoles are starting to lose their core advantages

[zehao39]

the problem for consoles is the game price. I may save some money when I purchased the consoles but for the future game I will cost more. Consoles do not have steam .for me I buy more than 25 game in a year so it will be cheap for me play the PC

[thatcoolcat1]

3 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

Not exactly. PS4 uses GDDR5 memory and the GPU is a variant of the 7870 chip.

cant reply here, big intel, i dont speakke AMD

[zehao39]

Just now, AresKrieger said:

Ideally it would but as I said developers have been doing craptastic optimizations on the PS4 and Xbone, additionally at the settings consoles set games to even a $400 PC may last 4 years

 

Either way it's a tradeoff, but consoles are starting to lose their core advantages

is it true when PS2 come out it take 2years that PC have the same performance

[MEC-777]

2 minutes ago, zehao39 said:

the problem for consoles is the game price. I may save some money when I purchased the consoles but for the future game I will cost more. Consoles do not have steam .for me I buy more than 25 game in a year so it will be cheap for me play the PC

This. So many people forget about the cost of games with the console vs PC arguments. The savings on PC is HUGE. 25-50% off on triple-A games usually within 1-2 months of release date. The last few big games I bought were 25% off on launch day. 

[AresKrieger]

7 minutes ago, zehao39 said:

is it true when PS2 come out it take 2years that PC have the same performance

Don't know, but it's possible since back then consoles tended to be more robust in terms of spec due to completely custom design built solely for gaming, now they tend to be behind when they launch instead of ahead due to them being essentially crappy PCs

 

 

If current trends continue consoles will become less and less relevant so unless one of the big three gets their act together the console market will stagnate.

[zehao39]

Just now, MEC-777 said:

This. So many people forget about the cost of games with the console vs PC arguments. The savings on PC is HUGE. 25-50% off on triple-A games usually within 1-2 months of release date. The last few big games I bought were 25% off on launch day. 

I just always get game from Russian region. It always help me save 50% and when game on sale I save more

[GoodBytes]

A game console is like a DVD/Blu-ray player. Sure your PC can play movies. But do you want all your family or friends comes in your room where your PC is, and look at that little screen? Or you want to use your big screen, all sit comfortably on the sofa?

YES, you could build a PC and plug it to your TV just to play movies as well. It is up to you.. but a dedicated box will allow you to have a simple experience, insert your movie, and it plays. No mouse or keyboard needed, No special software for a media center like experience, hoping it can do a good job (which you know it doesn't do one really), and well, you need to buy the parts and build it, and you end up with this big box, while a DVD player is tiny.

 

Same for game consoles.

 

In addition, you have many exclusive title on console as well. Sure you have some on PC, and on other consoles as well. That is up to you to know which one your care and not and make your purchase decision on that. AND you CAN BUY 2 or MORE consoles, and you CAN buy a PC and a console. The whole "PC master race", "<insert console name> for life" is retarded. There is no side to take.

 

The whole 30 vs 60 fps is silly. Sure, more is better. But frame rate stability is more important. Movies are 24fps, everyone is fine with it because it goes contentiously at 24fps, you don't get blinded or have a headache or what not. It's fine. Same for games. Nothing changes. Sure it is easy to point to some console game that is having trouble with 30fps, but you can with PC as well, and it is harder to adjust game setting to be 60fps solid on a PC. I mean you could go with the easy path and get super powerful hardware and call it day (but that cost a lot more), or you can spend several hours adjusting settings to maximize visuals (with the fact that you are adjusting your game settings as you play, if the game doesn't have a benchmark or something to test the different scenes), or you predict things, by giving more headroom, but now you can reduce too much the visuals.

 

Console and PC both have their ups and downs.

 

Personally, I have both, I enjoy both a lot.

[thatcoolcat1]

forgot about the player, was going to include that