PSU Tier List [OLD]

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

3 hours ago, Catty C said:

United States and I'm willing to spend up to $100 for the PSU.

RM550x $65 after MIR https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139144&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

And a 550 G2 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438053&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

 

[Catty C]

Thanks I'll look into those choices.

[MellowCream]

These tiers don't make sense and are arbitrary. There's no defining characteristic of each tier so this list is effectively useless as a ranking. While I agree that all of the units on tier 1 are good, I don't know why they're better than tier 2 or 3, or why 7 is worse than 6, etc. 

[Spotty]

1 hour ago, MellowCream said:

These tiers don't make sense and are arbitrary. There's no defining characteristic of each tier so this list is effectively useless as a ranking. While I agree that all of the units on tier 1 are good, I don't know why they're better than tier 2 or 3, or why 7 is worse than 6, etc. 

I wonder if it would be possible to organise the PSU list by the type of designs used such as DC-DC, or even topologies, rather than just a numbered tiered system. Then maybe split those design groups up in to "Good" "Average" and "Bad" within that group based on other factors such as quality of components, build quality, protections, fan type/profiles/noise, etc.

So you might have a group for Double Forward PSUs then within that group split that group up in to segments. Units that have full range of protections, good build quality and a quality fan in the "Good" section, but other Double Forward PSUs that have sleeve bearing fans, crappy components and lack of (or failed) protections in the "Bad" section of that group...

 

... If that makes sense to anyone at all?

[Rexper]

2 hours ago, Spotty said:

I wonder if it would be possible to organise the PSU list by the type of designs used such as DC-DC, or even topologies, rather than just a numbered tiered system. Then maybe split those design groups up in to "Good" "Average" and "Bad" within that group based on other factors such as quality of components, build quality, protections, fan type/profiles/noise, etc.

So you might have a group for Double Forward PSUs then within that group split that group up in to segments. Units that have full range of protections, good build quality and a quality fan in the "Good" section, but other Double Forward PSUs that have sleeve bearing fans, crappy components and lack of (or failed) protections in the "Bad" section of that group...

 

... If that makes sense to anyone at all?

Primary topology doesn’t make much of a difference to the consumer besides efficiency.

Knowing the secondary topology (DC-DC, double forward, etc) is only useful to assume how the PSU performs when data isn’t no available.

 

A better way to do a list is by describing how well the PSU is in each aspect.

For example, A psu might have “great voltage regulation” if it statistically had <1% regulation, but it may have “mediocre ripple” if > 60mV.

 

A system that doesn’t rely on subjection and describes to the reader why the PSU would be better.

the only issue is the effort Andy time needed to make such a thing.

[Stefan Payne]

1 minute ago, Rexper said:

A system that doesn’t rely on subjection and describes to the reader why the PSU would be better.

the only issue is the effort Andy time needed to make such a thing.

Yeah but that would still be subjective as you have to subjectively choose what is important and to what measure...

 

Personally I'm not a fan of hyping Voltage Regulation and Quality too much. A "mediocre" unit that has like 40-50mV on +12V and 1,5% Regulation is already superb.

[Rexper]

3 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Personally I'm not a fan of hyping Voltage Regulation and Quality too much. A "mediocre" unit that has like 40-50mV on +12V and 1,5% Regulation is already superb.

Of course.

In that system people can disregard different aspects that don’t apply to them.

[Lowzyyy]

I was using coolermaster b600 for atleast 5 years with fx 6300 and gtx660.

Now that supply is with 8700k and gtx 1070 ti strix. If this supply dies i think i will buy evga b1 600w. Is it good?

 

[seon123]

2 minutes ago, Lowzyyy said:

I was using coolermaster b600 for atleast 5 years with fx 6300 and gtx660.

Now that supply is with 8700k and gtx 1070 ti strix. If this supply dies i think i will buy evga b1 600w. Is it good?

 

No. You'd be replacing one piece of crap with another. 

Instead of getting a crappy 600W PSU, get a good 450W isntead. You can afford a $350 CPU and a $450 GPU, so spending $80 on a good PSU shouldn't be much of an issue. 

[Lowzyyy]

Why do you think so? Its 80+ bronze. I think thats good and its 70e in Serbia. I cant strech more than that. Its really expensive down here...

[seon123]

3 minutes ago, Lowzyyy said:

Why do you think so? Its 80+ bronze. I think thats good and its 70e in Serbia. I cant strech more than that. Its really expensive down here...

A super low end group regulated PSU is crap. 

 

PSUs are expensive, but an 8700K and a 1070 Ti, that's super cheap, right?

[Lowzyyy]

So you think 450w is enough? Which one platinum? Because i have ssd, hdd 7200rpm, and 5 fans.

Recommend me one which will be good for my PC but not extremly expensive. Maybe i will overclock in couple of years to 4.4-4.5ghz, so keep that in mind..Now its stock

thanks

[Princess Luna]

1 hour ago, Lowzyyy said:

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You don't really need a platinum rated efficiency PSU, besides looking at PCPP for US (assuming you're from there) the cheapest Platinum rated PSU that'd I'd go for right now is:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6p8H99/evga-power-supply-220p20650x1

 

But that's still about 150w more than you need and quite pricey, you could get away with a PSU that is almost half the price:

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KmgzK8/seasonic-focus-gold-550w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-550fm

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, Lowzyyy said:

So you think 450w is enough?

No

A good quality 450W like Bitfenix Formula, Whisper M, be quiet Straight Power 11.

1 hour ago, Lowzyyy said:

Which one platinum? Because i have ssd, hdd 7200rpm, and 5 fans.

Irrelevant, CPU and GPU are the biggest things that consume power, everything else is secondary...

 

1 hour ago, Lowzyyy said:

Recommend me one which will be good for my PC but not extremly expensive. Maybe i will overclock in couple of years to 4.4-4.5ghz, so keep that in mind..Now its stock

thanks

Dude, you waste almost 1000 Bucks on CPU and GPU but won't get a decent PSU?!
Wanna kill your Hardware?!
Wanna have unnecessary Problems??

 

Just because PSU don't do FPS don't mean you can save money on it!
You have to have decent quality ones as well, if you want to keep your stuff for longer...

[Lowzyyy]

I said i am from Serbia. @Princess Cadence that seasonic is 100e here, lol but it looks good to me.

@Stefan Payne yes but that money is everything i saved. Believe it or not, we in Serbia consider 70e to be more than enough for power supply. Half of the population use LC Power and Raidmax PSUs haha

 

edit: we have focus plus

[Princess Luna]

Just now, Lowzyyy said:

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Sorry, this is why it's always good to make your own thread with all the information before hand, I'm not familiar with Serbia market but always think of the PSU as an worthy investment as it can last with you for years with different systems even if you don't cheap up on it.

 

While being pretty much the insurance against unexpected loses, bottom line is that most gold rated power supplies in most countries are hardly much more expensive than bronze ones but they usually have key features that makes much more sense owning.

[komi1997]

 @Princess Cadence
I am from Serbia too, I paid 62e for Pure Power 11 400w, 400w Pure Power 10 was 57e from this seller, for 72e I think he can get 500w Pure Power 11, and 500w Pure Power 10 is under 70e I am sure, that's what I wanted to get at first, but I realised I won't need 500w for RX570 and an A10-7870k APU which I plan on replacing with Ryzen 5



@Lowzyyy
https://www.kupujemprodajem.com/Kompjuteri-Desktop/Napajanja/BE-QUIET-napajanja-54971161-oglas.htm?filter_id=164749802
contact this guy and ask him for price on 500w Pure Power 10 and 11, and buy 11 if it's under 70e, if not get 10

[MEC-777]

In regards to re-organizing the list; I have to agree, it needs to be done. Pretty sure some of those T1 units are not really recommended, which begs the question; why are they in T1 to begin with. lol. And the reason some are in one tier vs another aren't clear. 

 

There are so many different ways to go about creating a list as there are so many different factors with PSUs. One thing I've learned when doing things like this is to keep it simple and concentrate on the factors that matter most to the end user. Most people don't care about the specific ripple, voltage regulation, hold-up time, etc. of each unit. All they really want to know is: which one should I buy and which ones are good value? 

 

Thus, I think finding some simplified way of listing or grading the units from best to worst (overall) would help provide viewers the most straight-forward answers and understanding.

[komi1997]

3 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

which ones are good value? 

I have to disagree on this one, as prices are different everywhere, I think you should exclude pricing and value from PSU tier list and just go with how good those PSU's are, if there was value involved in Europe Cooler Master MWE 400w would be best PSU to recommend, is rly inexpensive $30 including all the taxes in Hungary which have 27% taxes

there are other tricky stuff about tier list imo, like how do you rank those fanless units, they heavily depend on your case airflow and might get hot if you are running dual graphic cards setup or a small mATX case like i got

[MEC-777]

10 minutes ago, komi1997 said:

I have to disagree on this one, as prices are different everywhere, I think you should exclude pricing and value from PSU tier list and just go with how good those PSU's are, if there was value involved in Europe Cooler Master MWE 400w would be best PSU to recommend, is rly inexpensive $30 including all the taxes in Hungary which have 27% taxes

there are other tricky stuff about tier list imo, like how do you rank those fanless units, they heavily depend on your case airflow and might get hot if you are running dual graphic cards setup or a small mATX case like i got

That is a really good point! Noted.  Yeah, pricing is all over the place all over the world, so value will vary. But the quality and merits of the units themselves does not change and thus, should be the main factor. Agreed. 

 

I know Jonny Guru has stated that he hates tier lists, especially for things like PSUs because there are so many various factors, and I have to agree to an extent. The current list we have is definitely due for a refresh.  

[Stefan Payne]

14 hours ago, komi1997 said:

I have to disagree on this one, as prices are different everywhere,

Yes but the classification of Manufacturers is the same everywhere.

A low end unit will always be a low end one.

And if you have to pay the same for a low end and a mid range, you get the mid range one.

Simple solution for that

 

14 hours ago, komi1997 said:

I think you should exclude pricing and value from PSU tier list and just go with how good those PSU's are

How good they are in its class.

Because throwing everything in a pot and categorizing them makes no sense. And that's the main Problem of this Tier List.

for 500€ you can do completely different units than for 50€, where you have to comprimize and choose what you want to do.

 

And it makes more sense to get a Bitfenix Formula 450W for 75€ than a Cooler Master Master Watt or EVGA B.

14 hours ago, komi1997 said:

, if there was value involved in Europe Cooler Master MWE 400w would be best PSU to recommend, is rly inexpensive $30 including all the taxes in Hungary which have 27% taxes

I disagree.

Because under 600W (WHY 600W?!) they are the same group regulated units. And Group regulated is bad in this day and age.

So the minimal requirement is to be independently regulated.

If possible, digitally (=DC-DC)

 

The best theap ones are Xilence Performance A+ and be quiet System Power 9.

There aren't many options in this area that are indy regulated.

[Lowzyyy]

@komi1997 i already ordered Seasonic Focus Plus 550w for 85e. I was reading about it and everyone said that this is very good PSU.

Maybe it was better to buy that beQuiet you guys recommended but now its done. 

[LienusLateTips]

On 12/3/2018 at 7:18 AM, MEC-777 said:

In regards to re-organizing the list; I have to agree, it needs to be done. Pretty sure some of those T1 units are not really recommended, which begs the question; why are they in T1 to begin with. lol. And the reason some are in one tier vs another aren't clear. 

 

There are so many different ways to go about creating a list as there are so many different factors with PSUs. One thing I've learned when doing things like this is to keep it simple and concentrate on the factors that matter most to the end user. Most people don't care about the specific ripple, voltage regulation, hold-up time, etc. of each unit. All they really want to know is: which one should I buy and which ones are good value? 

 

Thus, I think finding some simplified way of listing or grading the units from best to worst (overall) would help provide viewers the most straight-forward answers and understanding.

I think value needs to be somewhat considered. Someone might see the Maker MiJ first and immediately buy it without looking at anything else. 

[sosi93]

hi

guys help me ، which psu at same prices

1- cooler master v650s

2-fsp hydro g750

my system is : i5 3570k 4.2 ~ 4.8 ghz

16gb ddr3 ram 1866 mhz cl8

gtx 1060 6gb

5 case fan

2 hdd 7200 rpm

[MEC-777]

9 hours ago, LienusLateTips said:

I think value needs to be somewhat considered. Someone might see the Maker MiJ first and immediately buy it without looking at anything else. 

The problem is the value changes depending on where you live. The unit that is the best value to one person, may not be the same to someone else living in another country. 

1 hour ago, sosi93 said:

hi

guys help me ، which psu at same prices

1- cooler master v650s

2-fsp hydro g750

my system is : i5 3570k 4.2 ~ 4.8 ghz

16gb ddr3 ram 1866 mhz cl8

gtx 1060 6gb

5 case fan

2 hdd 7200 rpm

Are those your only options? For that system you would be better off with a 550w and save yourself some money.