PSU Tier List [OLD]

[Stefan Payne]

2 hours ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

Where would you put the EVGA G1 then?

It's group regulated, even though it's gold.

So T4 or T5.

 

2 hours ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

Stefan mentioned moving all group-regulated units down to T5 but I still feel that's quite harsh. I can understand not wanting non-Haswell compatible PSUs in the third tier since we kind of use that as a benchmark for "start here" a lot of the time, but bumping it down to XFX XT and Antec Basiq-level seems wrong.

The Problem with group regulated units is that they can or will be out of spec.

Someone with a FSP Aurum I based unit mentioned that the voltage in his system drops down to the mid-low 11V range wich isn't what you would desire.

 

And that's the problem with those units...

You can tweak it a bit, but that only goes so far...

 

And that's the problem with those unit that you can force them to go out of spec - you can't do that with independently regulated units...

[MEC-777]

37 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

It's group regulated, even though it's gold.

So T4 or T5.

 

The Problem with group regulated units is that they can or will be out of spec.

Someone with a FSP Aurum I based unit mentioned that the voltage in his system drops down to the mid-low 11V range wich isn't what you would desire.

 

And that's the problem with those units...

You can tweak it a bit, but that only goes so far...

 

And that's the problem with those unit that you can force them to go out of spec - you can't do that with independently regulated units...

That's why my old CM GX650 killed 2 GPUs on me a few years back. Really crappy group reg unit which actually failed cross-load tests in Jonny Guru's review. Which I learned after the fact.  

 

Some are "OK" but I would never trust a group reg unit for my own personal gaming rig, nor would I ever recommend one for someone else. Yes, I just bought one (CM Silent pro 1000M) but it was only $25 and will be for a budget mining rig, so I don't really care. lol. 

[LienusLateTips]

5 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

It's group regulated, even though it's gold.

So T4 or T5.

I'm not going to argue with you but I had to put this in:

 

 

 

BACK DOWN IT GOES!

[Juviegar]

All these discussion makes me a bit wary of my S12ii 430B,

my system isn't that demanding but are there better alternatives if I ever want to replace my psu?

(G4560, 1050 ti, 1 ssd, 1 hdd)

[STRMfrmXMN]

56 minutes ago, Juviegar said:

All these discussion makes me a bit wary of my S12ii 430B,

my system isn't that demanding but are there better alternatives if I ever want to replace my psu?

(G4560, 1050 ti, 1 ssd, 1 hdd)

I mean, you're realistically fine to keep your PSU but when you get a new GPU or CPU it wouldn't be a bad idea.

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

I mean, you're realistically fine to keep your PSU but when you get a new GPU or CPU it wouldn't be a bad idea.

ftfy

[STRMfrmXMN]

2 minutes ago, JDE said:

ftfy

thx bby

[Juviegar]

1 hour ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

I mean, you're realistically fine to keep your PSU but when you get a new GPU or CPU it wouldn't be a bad idea.

I see, thanks for the reply.

I'm probably waiting for Zen2 before upgrading so I have a lot of time to save some money.

[turkey3_scratch]

1 hour ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

thx bby

You tow should get married. You already have one thing in common.

[pajpaj]

what tier do I need for streaming + gaming? is s12ii fine?

[Guest]

Just now, pajpaj said:

what tier do I need for streaming + gaming? is s12ii fine?

depends on the components not the usage

[pajpaj]

1 minute ago, deXxterlab97 said:

depends on the components not the usage

planning to pair it up with: ryzen 1700, rx 580/gtx 1060, 2 nf f12 case fans and 1 stock case fan.

[LienusLateTips]

1 hour ago, turkey3_scratch said:

You tow should get married. You already have one thing in common.

*three

[Stefan Payne]

32 minutes ago, pajpaj said:

what tier do I need for streaming + gaming? is s12ii fine?

Have you read the last couple of pages??

S12II is shit these days, poorly protected, group regulated, Wapanese capacitors don't make this unit any better than Corsair VS, CM Masterwatt Lite, Thermaltake Germany series, EVGA B-Series (made by HEC).

There is no reason to buy it.

 

I relly don't understand why people think the S12II is better than those "System Integrator level" ones.

[STRMfrmXMN]

36 minutes ago, pajpaj said:

what tier do I need for streaming + gaming? is s12ii fine?

For your 1700 I would not get a PSU that old. The S12 is for older systems and performs and is built as such. Get a Corsair CX550.

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, Stefan Payne said:

I relly don't understand why people think the S12II is better than those "System Integrator level" ones.

SeaSonic name? Maybe it has good build quality (I didn't check )? Or maybe something else.

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, STRMfrmXMN said:

For your 1700 I would not get a PSU that old. The SeaSonic GB Bronze platform (S12II/M12II) is for older systems and is built as such. At the minimum I would recommend a CX550.

ftfy

[STRMfrmXMN]

Just now, JDE said:

ftfy

thx bby 

[pajpaj]

2 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

For your 1700 I would not get a PSU that old. The S12 is for older systems and performs and is built as such. Get a Corsair CX550.

Is CX550M fine too? Can't find the CX550 version.

[LienusLateTips]

3 minutes ago, pajpaj said:

Is CX550M fine too? Can't find the CX550 version.

yeah

[pajpaj]

Just now, JDE said:

yeah

Thanks bro!

[turkey3_scratch]

20 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Wapanese capacitors

Every time you say this I chuckle. I don't know why but it's just a funny word.

 

Wapanese.

Wapanese.

[LienusLateTips]

3 hours ago, turkey3_scratch said:

Every time you say this I chuckle. I don't know why but it's just a funny word.

 

Wapanese.

Wapanese.

 

Wapanese.

Spoiler

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[Stefan Payne]

5 hours ago, turkey3_scratch said:

Every time you say this I chuckle. I don't know why but it's just a funny word.

 

Wapanese.

Wapanese.

Yeah and it's short for Wannabe Japanese.

 

 

And I think it fits this discussion because the "japanese" capacitors we are so obsessed with in PSU are also made in China as everything else in the PSU...

 

 

And also forgetting that companys like Teapo, ltec, CapXon and co have a wider variety of products than most japanese companys have...

And if we are talking about Teapo/CapXon/ltec and co we are usually talking about the buttom of the line of their products. Like Teapo SC, wich are specified for up to 3000h in their standard variants but only 2000h for 'downsized'.

 

The worst Japanese Low ESR are somewhat uppar range for the Taiwanese/Chinese manufacturers. And have a rated lifetime of 4000h or more,...

 

[Mooshi]

1 hour ago, Stefan Payne said:

Yeah and it's short for Wannabe Japanese.

 

 

And I think it fits this discussion because the "japanese" capacitors we are so obsessed with in PSU are also made in China as everything else in the PSU...

 

 

And also forgetting that companys like Teapo, ltec, CapXon and co have a wider variety of products than most japanese companys have...

And if we are talking about Teapo/CapXon/ltec and co we are usually talking about the buttom of the line of their products. Like Teapo SC, wich are specified for up to 3000h in their standard variants but only 2000h for 'downsized'.

 

The worst Japanese Low ESR are somewhat uppar range for the Taiwanese/Chinese manufacturers. And have a rated lifetime of 4000h or more,...

 

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