PSU Tier List [OLD]

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, turkey3_scratch said:

Thank goodness, with the S12ii/M12ii being replaced there'll be no reason to get them.

If they don't come out this month, I'll be complaining that they are running on Valve time

[turkey3_scratch]

Just now, JDE said:

If they don't come out this month, I'll be complaining that they are running on Valve time

If they manage to get Japanese capacitors, DC-DC, and a decent fan all in a unit priced around the S12ii, I'll be thoroughly impressed. Not that I care that much for Japanese capacitors but seeing as the S12ii have them now I expect the Core will, too. Focus+ are already really good, hopefully the Core knocks one out of the ball park by bringing more competition.

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, turkey3_scratch said:

If they manage to get Japanese capacitors, DC-DC, and a decent fan all in a unit priced around the S12ii, I'll be thoroughly impressed. Not that I care that much for Japanese capacitors but seeing as the S12ii have them now I expect the Core will, too. Focus+ are already really good, hopefully the Core knocks one out of the ball park by bringing more competition.

They've been really pushing FDB lately.

[turkey3_scratch]

Just now, JDE said:

They've been really pushing FDB lately.

I never know if it's real FDB or not, 90% of FDBs aren't real FDBs.

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, turkey3_scratch said:

I never know if it's real FDB or not, 90% of FDBs aren't real FDBs.

ya they are mostly rifles

[turkey3_scratch]

1 minute ago, JDE said:

ya they are mostly rifles

I don't know which I prefer, fake FDB or twisty vortex hydroloop technology bearing (no that doesn't exist but I won't be surprised if it eventually does).

[LienusLateTips]

2 minutes ago, turkey3_scratch said:

I don't know which I prefer, fake FDB or twisty vortex hydroloop technology bearing (no that doesn't exist but I won't be surprised if it eventually does).

For me

 

FDB > Ball > Rifle > Sleeve

[Stefan Payne]

8 hours ago, turkey3_scratch said:

I don't know which I prefer, fake FDB or twisty vortex hydroloop technology bearing (no that doesn't exist but I won't be surprised if it eventually does).

Depends on the material, construction, what kind of lubricant is used and how much lubricant is used. And how good the seal is, of course.

 

I wouldn't care too much about FDB or not FDB because the devil is in the details....

[Stefan Payne]

8 hours ago, JDE said:

For me

 

FDB > Ball > Rifle > Sleeve

I'd say a Powerlogic Rifle beats a real Hong Hua FDB
Especially since things like Motor noise are a thing...

 

Protechnic doesn't want to do smaller stuff these days so you won't see them in (FSP) PSU no more...

[MEC-777]

Came across this video in my feed yesterday. It's a bit cringy, to say the least. As much as I respect Carey and his years of experience (and his work ethics), he doesn't seem to be educated on current PSUs (and PC tech in general) as much as a person in his field of work should be, IMO. The lower-end EVGA units they talk about are not that great, in the grand scheme of current PSU's available. They don't talk about group vs independent regulated but they do mention SLI with 1060's which is not even possible. The general premise, which is that you shouldn't go overboard with choosing a PSU and that you should focus on quality of the unit, is sound and correct, so I'll give them that. But that last line the other guys says, "I just wanted a good cheap PSU." ugh... lol

 

 

[awesomegamer919]

14 hours ago, JDE said:

*$53

PCPP has price errors i think

Sale ended not long after I posted  It was ~$27 after a $20 MIR + $10 discount...

[artificialRAGE]

1 hour ago, MEC-777 said:

Came across this video in my feed yesterday. It's a bit cringy, to say the least. As much as I respect Carey and his years of experience (and his work ethics), he doesn't seem to be educated on current PSUs (and PC tech in general) as much as a person in his field of work should be, IMO. The lower-end EVGA units they talk about are not that great, in the grand scheme of current PSU's available. They don't talk about group vs independent regulated but they do mention SLI with 1060's which is not even possible. The general premise, which is that you shouldn't go overboard with choosing a PSU and that you should focus on quality of the unit, is sound and correct, so I'll give them that. But that last line the other guys says, "I just wanted a good cheap PSU." ugh... lol

 

 

I saw it as well and I thought, wow Carey really needs to brush up on his PSU knowledge. 

[Guest]

I don't know why they just don't call me.

 

[STRMfrmXMN]

20 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

I don't know why they just don't call me.

 

Dude if we had you on speed dial then that would be easy but not everybody has easy access to discussion with JG

[turkey3_scratch]

8 hours ago, jonnyGURU said:

I don't know why they just don't call me.

 

I saw some interview with you recently... Ahh yes, this one. Some people at least acknowledge you

Wait a minute Jonny! What is this you say at the 9:00 mark? A reputable tier 1 brand? 

[Guest]

"Tier 1" the way the industry means tier 1.  Not the way this list means tier 1.

 

Tier 1 in the industry is someone like Delta, Flex, Chicony, etc.

 

Believe it or not, someone that outsources PCB-A like Seasonic and Superflower are actually considered Tier 3.

 

Tier 2 would be guys like CWT and HEC.

 

 

[LienusLateTips]

4 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

"Tier 1" the way the industry means tier 1.  Not the way this list means tier 1.

 

Tier 1 in the industry is someone like Delta, Flex, Chicony, etc.

 

Believe it or not, someone that outsources PCB-A like Seasonic and Superflower are actually considered Tier 3.

 

Tier 2 would be guys like CWT and HEC.

 

 

Where's FSP in all this

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, JDE said:

Where's FSP in all this

Don't know.  I never visited their factory.  If I had to guess, they would be tier 2.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

32 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

"Tier 1" the way the industry means tier 1.  Not the way this list means tier 1.

 

I know, I'm just busting your chops 

[Guest]

God damn... I look like I have way more gray hair on camera....

 

[STRMfrmXMN]

3 hours ago, jonnyGURU said:

"Tier 1" the way the industry means tier 1.  Not the way this list means tier 1.

 

Tier 1 in the industry is someone like Delta, Flex, Chicony, etc.

 

Believe it or not, someone that outsources PCB-A like Seasonic and Superflower are actually considered Tier 3.

 

Tier 2 would be guys like CWT and HEC.

 

 

HEC T2? I seem to recall reading on a forum post of yours (I think on your own forums?) about shuddering when you walked into an HEC factory.

 

Interesting how that works though.

[Stefan Payne]

3 hours ago, jonnyGURU said:

"Tier 1" the way the industry means tier 1.  Not the way this list means tier 1.

Tier 1 in the industry is someone like Delta, Flex, Chicony, etc.

Believe it or not, someone that outsources PCB-A like Seasonic and Superflower are actually considered Tier 3.

Tier 2 would be guys like CWT and HEC.

CWT/HEC better than Seasonic, how dare you!!111

 

Well, jokes aside, but it would be nice if we would see more 'diversity' for the consumers.

Right now we see something like 3-5 manufacturers:
HEC/Compucase (only lower cost Bronze models)

Sirfa 

CWT

Sometimes someone uses FSP and one also Super Flower.

Besides that there isn't much else these days...

Enhance is only used by two manufacturers, one only use them for 850W and above, as far as I remember.

 

Other manufacturers are rare these days and have either one model or aren't really regarded that well (like XHY Power, used by Xilence for example)

 

I'd really like much more "diversity" from manufacturers like Delta, Acbel but maybe try to do something with TDK Lambda...

 

HEC T2? I seem to recall reading on a forum post of yours (I think on your own forums?) about shuddering when you walked into an HEC factory.

 

Interesting how that works though.

That could have been the old factory.

They build a new one in the meantime.

And the question is what these Tier Levels mean, how they are defined...

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, Stefan Payne said:

CWT/HEC better than Seasonic, how dare you!!111

- troll on reddit, 2016-2017

1 minute ago, Stefan Payne said:

Right now we see something like 3-5 manufacturers:
HEC/Compucase (only lower cost Bronze models)

Sirfa 

CWT

Sometimes someone uses FSP and one also Super Flower.

Besides that there isn't much else these days...

Enhance is only used by two manufacturers, one only use them for 850W and above, as far as I remember.

YOU FORGOT SEASONIC, how dare you!!111

2 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

And the question is what these Tier Levels mean, how they are defined...

Conspiracy

[79wjd]

8 hours ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

HEC T2? I seem to recall reading on a forum post of yours (I think on your own forums?) about shuddering when you walked into an HEC factory.

 

Interesting how that works though.

The way I read his post, I take it to mean tier refers to how self-sufficient a factory is, and not have anything to do with the quality of what they produce. 

[amadi93]

On 18.09.2017 at 5:19 PM, OrionFOTL said:

Not a problem for me, I'm from Poland too.

It would be cool if you could afford SilentiumPC Vero L2 500W: https://www.morele.net/zasilacz-silentiumpc-vero-l2-500w-spc164-977142/

It uses a half bridge primary side topology with an LLC resonant converter and independent voltage regulation through double magnetic amplifiers, which means the voltages fed to your computer are much more stable than other basic budget PSUs.

 

If you don't plan to use this PSU in a more powerful setup, and are only going to use it in that HD6450 machine, then it's not a problem to use a cheaper and basic unit. If you don't want to invest cash in that PC, then you can go ahead and use Chieftec GPA-350S8 https://www.morele.net/zasilacz-chieftec-350w-gpa-350s8-397275/

If you want to save even more money, you can take an FSP 350 GLN from this vendor on Allegro: http://allegro.pl/zasilacz-fsp-fortron-fsp350-60-gln-350w-sata-80-i6887671609.html - it will work fine.

So my question is: Is this chieftec GPA better than Corsair VS? OR is it hard to compare? I won't go for Fortron GLN because I have one at the moment and this is my 2nd fortron (it was NEW when purchased). It malfunctioned...