Most Game developers are sexist? Apparently yes.....

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

The company who started this entire mess, Nintendo of America.

[Kamina]

There was a time that church-goer right wingers would bash video games for creating a violent culture in society. Now we live in a time that the regressive left bash video games for not having enough feminism.

[MadyTehWolfie]

Another delicate snowflake spreads their sjw nonsense. 

[Master Disaster]

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"This massive discrepancy means that for now, games continue to reinforce the deeply entrenched cultural notion that heroes are male by default. We live in a culture that regularly encourages girls and women to project themselves onto and fully empathize with male characters, but rarely encourages boys and men to fully project themselves onto female characters," Feminist Frequency's post reads. "When players are encouraged to see a game universe exclusively through the eyes of a humanized female character, it helps challenge the idea that men can’t or shouldn’t identify with women as full human beings."

Only a woman could say this, seriously, not being sexist at all. 

 

All Men realise that Men love playing as girls in games, heck the phrase Many Men Online Roleplaying As Girls has been around since the 90s.

 

Its not Men they need to be angry at, it's the idiotic executives who believe girls don't sell games and refuse to allow female protagonists in games (or movies too, though not nearly as bad) because they think it won't sell. 

[AlexGoesHigh]

1 hour ago, Omon_Ra said:

 

That brings up an interesting point that relates to a lot of 'under-represented' groups in other forms of media; the one that springs to my mind is the 'white Oscars' and the general 'whiteness' of Hollywood. If you replace most of the leading white, male characters with either a woman or person of minority, their entire 'motivation' will be attributed to the fight against the discrimination towards their minority group. Whether or not that is the director's intention or not, that connection WILL be made; after all, most of film analysis is deeply rooted in post-modern philosophies. For some reason the mere fact a minority is chosen as a role immediately casts them as fighting for that minority group, and not as an individual reacting to the situations presented to them.

 

Look at 'Finding Nemo,' if Nemo was framed as an 'African-American' or female fish; 'You think you can do these things, but you just can't!' would take on an entirely different meaning than the assumption that Nemo is a 'white, male' fish. This whole issue is akin to minorities demanding equality; yet special treatment for being a minority. That isn't equality. Just like someone can't help being born as Asian, African, female, etc, someone can't help being born white and male.

 

*Removing the pic from your post makes it seem almost inappropriate*..

LOL, your right it does look inappropriate

[LAwLz]

33 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

All Men realise that Men love playing as girls in games, heck the phrase Many Men Online Roleplaying As Girls has been around since the 90s.

Reminds me of episode 1 of Sword Art Online. Everyone has their online avatar get transformed from the character they created, to how they actually look in real life.

Before:

Spoiler

After:

Spoiler

 

[Derangel]

1 hour ago, Omon_Ra said:

 

That brings up an interesting point that relates to a lot of 'under-represented' groups in other forms of media; the one that springs to my mind is the 'white Oscars' and the general 'whiteness' of Hollywood. If you replace most of the leading white, male characters with either a woman or person of minority, their entire 'motivation' will be attributed to the fight against the discrimination towards their minority group. Whether or not that is the director's intention or not, that connection WILL be made; after all, most of film analysis is deeply rooted in post-modern philosophies. For some reason the mere fact a minority is chosen as a role immediately casts them as fighting for that minority group, and not as an individual reacting to the situations presented to them.

 

Look at 'Finding Nemo,' if Nemo was framed as an 'African-American' or female fish; 'You think you can do these things, but you just can't!' would take on an entirely different meaning than the assumption that Nemo is a 'white, male' fish. This whole issue is akin to minorities demanding equality; yet special treatment for being a minority. That isn't equality. Just like someone can't help being born as Asian, African, female, etc, someone can't help being born white and male.

 

*Removing the pic from your post makes it seem almost inappropriate*..

 

Mhm. People who know nothing about Hollywood or want to make themselves look "good" love to spout stuff like "Hollywood is racist" and "Hollywood is sexist". Is there some of that in Hollywood? Of course. However,  it's mostly about money. Studios bank on actors (male or female) that make them money. They go with what has historically worked and what they feel has the most chance of success. It's the same with big game studios. People need to understand the reasons why before yelling about discrimination.

[Nineshadow]

I also just remembered when the feminazi pain train hopped on The Witcher 3 for being "oppressively misogynist". Like...seriously?

[PlayStation 2]

Oh my fucking christ, no.

 

Feminism, man. The original concept is fine, these fucking whales that call their stupid ass thoughts "feminism" is not.

[Nineshadow]

Do you guys remember when some people were complaining about the "rapey" nature of Game of Thrones? Some critics at the time argued that George R.R. Martin included rape to titillate, not to show how dark and gritty Westeros was. They responded to the argument that this was a genuine attempt to show how bad things were for women in Medieval times by saying “Well it’s fantasy so that’s just sexist.”

And that's just...wrong. Fiction is supposed to highlight real world issues; rape is a real world issue. Sexism is something women actually confront in their jobs, at home. Why is it off limits to actually address that with fantasy fiction? It’s not. Art is not supposed to serve a political agenda. That’s what propaganda is for. Art does and should deal with real world issues, make us think, challenge us; what it shouldn’t do is simply confirm our biases.

[Nineshadow]

2 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Oh my fucking christ, no.

 

Feminism, man. The original concept is fine, these fucking whales that call their stupid ass thoughts "feminism" is not.

I think the name is pretty self-explanatory.

"Feminism".

Not "Gender equality".

[PlayStation 2]

1 minute ago, Nineshadow said:

I think the name is pretty self-explanatory.

"Feminism".

Not "Gender equality".

The point on feminism is to show equality, not to fucking eclipse the point of equality.

[Misanthrope]

6 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

The point on feminism is to show equality, not to fucking eclipse the point of equality.

That hasn't been the case for years. Mostly because we have equality in the west, equality of opportunity and equal rights. What the vast majority of modern feminists want is Female superiority at this point by advocating for equality of outcome and forcefully make things worst for men and better for women with things like demanding female and race quotas, affirmative action, etc.

[PlayStation 2]

1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

That hasn't been the case for years. Mostly because we have equality in the west, equality of opportunity and equal rights. What the vast majority of modern feminists want is Female superiority at this point by advocating for equality of outcome and forcefully make things worst for men and better for women with things like demanding female and race quotas, affirmative action, etc.

I probably should have put "was" instead of "is".

Modern "feminism" is fucking retarded, however, and I completely acknowledge that.

[Omon_Ra]

2 minutes ago, Derangel said:

People who know nothing about Hollywood or want to make themselves look "good" love to spout stuff like "Hollywood is racist" and "Hollywood is sexist". Is there some of that in Hollywood? Of course.

One of the craziest things that I learned in film school is that film is inherently 'racist.' Because the majority of actors/models being photographed in the early development of film were white people, the emulsions and chemical compositions were engineered to best suit the way light reacts to a white person's face. If you watch early films with black people in them, they're basically floating eyes; even to this day shooting scenes with a very light skinned person and a very dark skinned person can be challenging to get the exposure right. Granted, with digital color grading and such now, it's less of an issue; but the fact is digital sensors were built to replicate film, so the 'whiteness' continues. On this basis, some argue that no matter what, all movies are through the 'white man's eye' and can never be separated from the voyeuristic nature that has always been associated with cameras. This whole 'female exploitation' is nothing new; look up the 'male gaze' and early Hollywood films. Video games could be argued as a new level 'male gaze' as you aren't held captive to the director's decisions of what you see and for how long.

 

1 minute ago, Nineshadow said:

Art is not supposed to serve a political agenda. That’s what propaganda is for. Art does and should deal with real world issues, make us think, challenge us; what it shouldn’t do is simply confirm our biases.

I tend to disagree with that, some of the best art has come out of political agendas. Look at Picasso's 'Bombing of Guernica,' Eisenstein and Vertov's Soviet propaganda films, Ai Weiwei's works, etc. Political agendas are real world issues that need to be challenged, and art is a great way of doing that. Whether you're going along with the majority or minority of the political agenda, it is a strong influencer into the art that comes of it. You can't create art that rejects everyone's biases (maybe you can?), as you're going to find someone who agrees with the message you're trying to project with your art. IMO, everything is propaganda, there is no discernible difference between a Coca-Cola advertisement, a 'WE NEED YOU' recruitment poster, or a Banksy stencil; it's all trying to 'sell' an idea. It just depends on the viewer/reader to decide if they align with or go against that message.

[suicidalfranco]

at least some are more realistic

still, gender pay gap is myth, if it was real i don't see why anyone would take a man when he knows that it would cost him more than just taking a woman

[AlTech]

@Ryan_Vickers I was being half sarcastic and half not.

[vanished]

7 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

@Ryan_Vickers I was being half sarcastic and half not.

Yeah, it would be nice to see more choices in character when it comes to games, but I think anyone would laugh at quotes like this and assume you are being sarcastic:  

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Game Developers! What have you done????!!!!! You sexist monstrosities.........

 

So, 97% of games shown at E3 contained a Male protagonist while only 3% featured exclusively a female protagonist.

 

This is unbelievably sexist. How could you possibly think that a video game can't include women? Did you think that women don't play video games?

 

[Doobeedoo]

So walking, talking, breathing meat is talking nonsense about sexism again, in video games? Where that 'meat' is sexist it self?

 

K

[potoooooooo]

14 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

It's not [satire]....

 

17 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

@Ryan_Vickers I was being half sarcastic and half not.

 

Uh huh, keep changing that story OP...

[Energycore]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

How about devs create what they want regardless of whether it'll be well received by activist groups? And instead we can try and focus our efforts on getting more females into game development, I bet that'll help out more and it's not an easy task to accomplish. The stigma of "guys club" should be adressed from the inside.

[handymanshandle]

15 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

It's not....

 Shite, I guess Game developers are damned if they do and damned if they don't include female protagonist that meet strict standards by feminists. I mean I believe in egalitarianism that everyone should be equal but not under the guise of one sex or race being superior or inferior to one another. 

 

Look I don't think it's a huge deal, I find your title way too speculative and/or click-bait-y. 

 

The Developers at Square Enix and Avalanche must be misogynistic pigs because the protagonist is a male named Rico Rodriguez, even though it has a couple strong female leads like Dimah Ali Umar al-Masri and a few others. Hell, the Rebellion and the DRM have females on their forces that do lots a things that are things that men would traditionally do.

[Cheddle]

Seeing as most 'heros' in games are exposed to repeated death, abuse, misbehavior and are at times awful people (Trevor - I'm talking about you and your friggun teddy bear) I can with 100% confidence say that if female protagonists made up exactly 50% of all action protagonists that there would be an uproar from feminists about how poorly they are treated in game.

 

Such a shortsighted and hollow fact to point out that most protagonists are male.

 

A game dev can tell whatever story they want - its THEIR game! I am sure as a male game dev/story writer you would more easily create stories from your own genders perspective - maybe more females should be game devs? rather than just asking male game devs to make games with females in them?

 

 

[NumLock21]

9 hours ago, samcool55 said:

Didn't know that existed

I enjoyed alice madness returns tbh, it was nice.

Maybe it's a bit too much for me but being able to play as a girl is all i'm asking...

It would be nice if games just give you the choice, a story can easily be independent of a gender.

I think saints row 3 and 4 is a nice example

Have the game too, on pc. I remember she does not have a walk button, to do that, you will have to tap the W key. Or maybe there was, can't remember. 

[ACatWithThumbs]

Because the main audience for core games are males.
For the same reason most action movies have a male lead while most romantic movies have a female lead.
Even in books you can see this.

Also there are tons of games that do have strong female characters in them either as the main protagonist or a secondary character some examples would be: Mirror's Edge, ReCore, Tomb Raider, Uncharted, Infamous Second Son, Horizon Zero Dawn, Dishonored, Quantum Break, Life Is Strange, The Witcher 3, Byonetta, Mass Effect, Bioshock Infinite, Assassins Creed, Until Dawn, The Last Of US, Alien Isolation, Remember Me, Final Fantasy 13, Border Lands, Saints Row, Battlefield 4, Metro Last Light ect.
And most games also have female options like Skyrim, Fallout 4 Dragon Age, CoD, Overwatch, LOL, DOTA, Titanfall, The Division, FIFA, Tekken, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat and the list goes on and on.

I would say the games fit very much the current gaming demographic.