Posted May 27, 2016 The around the world prices are masking the worst part of this so lets stick to USA prices. A GTX 980 was $469 at launch A GTX 1080 is $699 at launch Thats a 49% increase !!!! Imagine if Apple/Samsung said their new flagship phone cost 49% more than the last one. People would lose their *** . This is just a huge money grab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 27, 2016 well nvidia doesnt have serious competition. Thats usally what hapens with a monopoly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 27, 2016 Strix Gaming 1080 will be available June 4 for $620 USD, and a lot of 980's did sell above MSRP iirc, so there's hardly a gap, if any considering the price of some of the custom 980's. Nvidia are just harvesting the cream up front with the FE, selling to those that want it first despite inferior cooling, power delivery, and where money isn't a problem. R9 3900XT | Tomahawk B550 | Ventus OC RTX 3090 | Photon 1050W | 32GB DDR4 | TUF GT501 Case | Vizio 4K 50'' HDR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 27, 2016 the 1080 is 25% more powerful then the Titan X, usually new phones aren't 25% more powerful then the worlds most powerful phones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 27, 2016 It's because AMD is delaying their enthusiast/high-end solution to late 2016/early 2017 The 980 launched in competition with the 290X Intel i5 6600k~Asus Maximus VIII Hero~G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 8GB DDR4-3200 CL-16~Sapphire Radeon R9 Fury Tri-X~Phanteks Enthoo Pro M~Sandisk Extreme Pro 480GB~SeaSonic Snow Silent 750~BenQ XL2730Z QHD 144Hz FreeSync~Cooler Master Seidon 240M~Varmilo VA87M (Cherry MX Brown)~Corsair Vengeance M95~Oppo PM-3~Windows 10 Pro~http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ynmBnQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 27, 2016 1 minute ago, partypanda64 said: the 1080 is 25% more powerful then the Titan X, usually new phones aren't 25% more powerful then the worlds most powerful phones. also they need to make up the ridiculus amount of money they spent on R&D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 27, 2016 LOL what? GTX 980 was $550 at launch in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 27, 2016 Author 8 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said: LOL what? GTX 980 was $550 at launch in the US. Just double checked. Yep $550 was the MRSP at launch which would be a 22% $149 increase (still crazy). I based this figure from using google time search and in the month it launched reference cards were actually selling in the USA for $469 vs now where they are actually selling at $699. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Posted May 27, 2016 1 minute ago, whitedragon101 said: Just double checked. Yep $550 was the MRSP at launch which would be a 22% increase. I based this figure from using google time search and in the month it launched reference cards were actually selling in the USA for $469 vs now where they are actually selling at $699. No one sold 980s for $469 in the US at launch. If they did there would have been huge threads about it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, whitedragon101 said: Just double checked. Yep $550 was the MRSP at launch which would be a 22% $149 increase (still crazy). I based this figure from using google time search and in the month it launched reference cards were actually selling in the USA for $469 vs now where they are actually selling at $699. $699 is only for the founder's edition, which Nvidia purposely priced that way on purpose to prevent people for buying reference cards unless they need them for specific cases, otherwise aftermarket cards are $599, only a $49 increase over the 980 My Rig: CPU: Core i7 4790K @4.8ghz Motherboard: Asus Maximus Vii Hero Ram: 4x4GB Corsair Vengeance Pro 2400mhz (Red) Cooling: Corsair H105, 2x Corsair SP120 High Preformance Editions, Corsair AF 140 Quiet Edition PSU: Corsair RM 850 GPU: EVGA GTX 980 SC ACX 2.0 Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB, WD Blue 1TB Case Corsair 760t (Black) Keyboard: Razer Blackwidow Chroma Mouse: Razer Deathadder Chroma Headset: ATH-M50X Mic: Blue Yeti Blackout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 27, 2016 People need to just not buy it. Get a 980 Ti and overclock it, or get a Fury/X/Nano, or wait for Polaris or Vega. Nvidia aren't public sector. If they aren't shifting units they'll have no choice but to charge a more reasonable price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 27, 2016 This is also basically the "first to next gen" tax. Both sides are guilty of "overcharging" their brand new shiny tech as long as it's the only option if they're the first ones to the next generation. I have a blog! And a list of guides I've posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 27, 2016 29 minutes ago, whitedragon101 said: A GTX 980 was $469 at launch The GTX 980 launched at $549. I paid $619 for my 1080. I'm no math wiz, but I'm pretty sure that's not 50% more. if you have to insist you think for yourself, i'm not going to believe you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 27, 2016 asus strix is $620, so I guess it's going to be 800 CAD if the conversion is right ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 27, 2016 Blame the stupid idiots who buys the Scam Edition GTX1080 way too soon than the speed of light. Those idiots will gladly pay the full price. When will people fucking see this they have to stop buying GPU's at ridicolous high prices?! Probably never. DAC/AMPs: Klipsch Heritage Headphone Amplifier Headphones: Klipsch Heritage HP-3 Walnut, Meze 109 Pro, Beyerdynamic Amiron Home, Amiron Wireless Copper, Tygr 300R, DT880 600ohm Manufaktur, T90, Fidelio X2HR CPU: Intel 4770, GPU: Asus RTX3080 TUF Gaming OC, Mobo: MSI Z87-G45, RAM: DDR3 16GB G.Skill, PC Case: Fractal Design R4 Black non-iglass, Monitor: BenQ GW2280 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 27, 2016 1 hour ago, valdyrgramr said: Phones are overpriced at launch. I don't understand the point of a phone being 500+ bucks. It's a phone. -.- Anyways, I think the point of the GPU being that much is the performance difference. You have to factor in paying the employees a decent living salary, marketing (lots of it), and for the research and development of the phone. Wanna hang out with me and people like @Theslsamg, @ Ssoele, @BENTHEREN, @Lanoi, @Whiskers, @_ASSASSIN_, @Looney, @WunderWuffle, and @nsyedhasan. Well.... Check out: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/48484-unofficial-linustechtips-teamschnitzel-server-teamspeak/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Posted May 28, 2016 Honestly just forget the 1080 even exists, us Brits are going to be paying 906 dollars after exchange rate applied for teh same product, that's really shitty buisiness IMO, and i'm actually thinking of going AMD of they produce a good card with Polaris. let us all remember now and today, computers do not like abuse, they will fight back! Old Skool KILLBOX. XEON E5640 4.0ghz / ASUS P6X58D-E ~ Noctua NH-L12 ~ eVGA GTX 670 SC 2GB 1312/7000 ~ 4TB 7200 RPM RAID0 ~ CoolerMaster Haf 922 ~ DELL P214H 23" 1080 IPS 2ms ~ HP w2007v 1680x1050. Now Playing: Splinter Cell OG XBOX / CSGO PC Original XBOX - Xecuter 2 4981.67 Bios. Playstation 2 Slim SCPH-70002. Sega Dreamcast. N64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 28, 2016 1 hour ago, whitedragon101 said: The around the world prices are masking the worst part of this so lets stick to USA prices. A GTX 980 was $469 at launch A GTX 1080 is $699 at launch Thats a 49% increase !!!! Imagine if Apple/Samsung said their new flagship phone cost 49% more than the last one. People would lose their *** . This is just a huge money grab. You are completely wrong all the way around.... The 980 launched at $550, and the 1080 is technically launching at 600 (MSRP is all that you can compare, both were selling well above msrp for a few days within launch so yea). http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-review/7 LINK-> Kurald Galain: The Night Eternal Top 5820k, 980ti SLI Build in the World* CPU: i7-5820k // GPU: SLI MSI 980ti Gaming 6G // Cooling: Full Custom WC // Mobo: ASUS X99 Sabertooth // Ram: 32GB Crucial Ballistic Sport // Boot SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB Mass SSD: Crucial M500 960GB // PSU: EVGA Supernova 850G2 // Case: Fractal Design Define S Windowed // OS: Windows 10 // Mouse: Razer Naga Chroma // Keyboard: Corsair k70 Cherry MX Reds Headset: Senn RS185 // Monitor: ASUS PG348Q // Devices: Note 10+ - Surface Book 2 15" LINK-> Ainulindale: Music of the Ainur Prosumer DYI FreeNAS CPU: Xeon E3-1231v3 // Cooling: Noctua L9x65 // Mobo: AsRock E3C224D2I // Ram: 16GB Kingston ECC DDR3-1333 HDDs: 4x HGST Deskstar NAS 3TB // PSU: EVGA 650GQ // Case: Fractal Design Node 304 // OS: FreeNAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 28, 2016 1 hour ago, SteveGrabowski0 said: No one sold 980s for $469 in the US at launch. If they did there would have been huge threads about it here. Yea dude is bullshiting like crazy. Custom 980s were selling as high as 700 dollars for a while there. EDIT: For the record, I do think it is overpriced for the next gen gpu. But it isn't anything out of the realms of possibility and if I blame anyone its AMD for not turning up for legitimate competition. LINK-> Kurald Galain: The Night Eternal Top 5820k, 980ti SLI Build in the World* CPU: i7-5820k // GPU: SLI MSI 980ti Gaming 6G // Cooling: Full Custom WC // Mobo: ASUS X99 Sabertooth // Ram: 32GB Crucial Ballistic Sport // Boot SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB Mass SSD: Crucial M500 960GB // PSU: EVGA Supernova 850G2 // Case: Fractal Design Define S Windowed // OS: Windows 10 // Mouse: Razer Naga Chroma // Keyboard: Corsair k70 Cherry MX Reds Headset: Senn RS185 // Monitor: ASUS PG348Q // Devices: Note 10+ - Surface Book 2 15" LINK-> Ainulindale: Music of the Ainur Prosumer DYI FreeNAS CPU: Xeon E3-1231v3 // Cooling: Noctua L9x65 // Mobo: AsRock E3C224D2I // Ram: 16GB Kingston ECC DDR3-1333 HDDs: 4x HGST Deskstar NAS 3TB // PSU: EVGA 650GQ // Case: Fractal Design Node 304 // OS: FreeNAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 28, 2016 1 hour ago, othertomperson said: People need to just not buy it. Get a 980 Ti and overclock it, or get a Fury/X/Nano, or wait for Polaris or Vega. Nvidia aren't public sector. If they aren't shifting units they'll have no choice but to charge a more reasonable price. this, I would have pulled the trigger and bought one, but not at this price, I'm waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 28, 2016 30 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said: EDIT: For the record, I do think it is overpriced for the next gen gpu. But it isn't anything out of the realms of possibility and if I blame anyone its AMD for not turning up for legitimate competition. You're asserting that Polaris is not competitive before it's even released. Before you know anything about it. AMD do compete with Nvidia at every price point. The 380/960 are about the same. The 970/390 are about the same. The 390X/980 are about the same. The 980 Ti and Fury X are maybe not "about the same", but they are very close to eachother. The 380X, Fury and R9 Nano also occupy niches that are absent in Nvidia's lineup. I find it weird that people seem to hear "AMD are not competitive" with respect to their CPUs and Intel (which is absolutely true) and just assume that the same must also be true of their GPUs when even a cursory google search of some benchmarks would revel it as bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 28, 2016 8 minutes ago, othertomperson said: You're asserting that Polaris is not competitive before it's even released. Before you know anything about it. AMD do compete with Nvidia at every price point. The 380/960 are about the same. The 970/390 are about the same. The 390X/980 are about the same. The 980 Ti and Fury X are maybe not "about the same", but they are very close to eachother. The 380X, Fury and R9 Nano also occupy niches that are absent in Nvidia's lineup. I find it weird that people seem to hear "AMD are not competitive" with respect to their CPUs and Intel (which is absolutely true) and just assume that the same must also be true of their GPUs when even a cursory google search of some benchmarks would revel it as bullshit. Really because AMD hasn't come out at all and straight up said they weren't going to compete with the 1080.... Oh wait... They did just that... Quote "The reason Polaris is a big deal, is because I believe we will be able to grow that TAM [total addressable market] significantly," said Taylor. "I don't think Nvidia is going to do anything to increase the TAM, because according to everything we've seen around Pascal, it's a high-end part. I don't know what the price is gonna be, but let's say it's as low as £500/$600 and as high as £800/$1000. That price range is not going to expand the TAM for VR. We're going on the record right now to say Polaris will expand the TAM. Full stop." This is straight from AMD, 100% stating neither Polaris chip is competitive with the 1080... Maybe they will compete with the 1070. And maybe Vega will be great, but for now, it's chasing the ball. http://videocardz.com/59248/amd-officially-confirms-polaris-10-and-polaris-11-market-positioning http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/04/amd-polaris-will-be-a-mainstream-gpu/ Good job presuming I'm an idiot... Also: The 380/960 are about the same. NOPE 380 is always better... (minus doom) The 970/390 are about the same. NOPE 390 is always better... (minus doom) The 390X/980 are about the same. Ehh only at resolutions neither can push.... 980 wrecks house otherwise. Don't even need to start talking about GM200 vs Fiji... Rofl... LINK-> Kurald Galain: The Night Eternal Top 5820k, 980ti SLI Build in the World* CPU: i7-5820k // GPU: SLI MSI 980ti Gaming 6G // Cooling: Full Custom WC // Mobo: ASUS X99 Sabertooth // Ram: 32GB Crucial Ballistic Sport // Boot SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB Mass SSD: Crucial M500 960GB // PSU: EVGA Supernova 850G2 // Case: Fractal Design Define S Windowed // OS: Windows 10 // Mouse: Razer Naga Chroma // Keyboard: Corsair k70 Cherry MX Reds Headset: Senn RS185 // Monitor: ASUS PG348Q // Devices: Note 10+ - Surface Book 2 15" LINK-> Ainulindale: Music of the Ainur Prosumer DYI FreeNAS CPU: Xeon E3-1231v3 // Cooling: Noctua L9x65 // Mobo: AsRock E3C224D2I // Ram: 16GB Kingston ECC DDR3-1333 HDDs: 4x HGST Deskstar NAS 3TB // PSU: EVGA 650GQ // Case: Fractal Design Node 304 // OS: FreeNAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Curufinwe_wins said: Really because AMD hasn't come out at all and straight up said they weren't going to compete with the 1080.... /s I'm not presuming you're an idiot. You are one. AMD didn't say they weren't competing with the 1080, they said they were targeting the mainstream. You are making the assertion that GP104 and GM104 are high tier chips and not mainstream. This is highly debatable. It is more sensible to interpret it as them saying that they aren't going to be replacing the Fury or competing with the 1080 Ti until Vega. And the 380 is better than the 960 in games that favour AMD, while the 960 does better in games that favour Nvidia. Same for the 390 and 390X. Same for GM200 and Fiji, or have you forgotten Ashes of the Singularity which massively favours AMD even in Direcx11, let alone 12? Rofl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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