AMD Polaris 10 GPU Reportedly Offers Near 980 Ti Performance For 300 USD

[zMeul]

6 minutes ago, Fetzie said:

Mainstream is a price bracket, not a performance bracket

now it's a price bracket

whatever fits your narrative .. riight

 

can you point to a nVidia source where GTXs are classified as?!

[Guest]

There's no way it's going to sell for 300 having the same power as a 980ti

[Clanscorpia]

2 minutes ago, Slickwicked said:

There's no way it's going to sell for 300 having the same power as a 980ti

Its called innovation. The first Pentium machines cost thousands. Imagine that now

[I am an SSD]

5 minutes ago, IMPERIUS said:

Yes, we really need something exciting. Hopefully amd's cpu side will do something good with Zen too...

Yeah i would really like to see AMD up their CPU game...they are doing pretty okay GPU wise tbh

[Shahnewaz]

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

now it's a price bracket

whatever fits your narrative .. riight

 

can you point to a nVidia source where GTXs are classified as?!

Actually, "mainstream" is whatever you try to describe it according to your agenda.

This is what you try to call mainstream on a product that hasn't been released yet.

On 2016-04-22 at 0:35 PM, zMeul said:

Yeah, nice job trying to put an unreleased chip that has 2.5X better performance per watt, built on a 14nm process and a new architecture... on a roadmap slide that's made for last generation GPUs.

Admit it, you're doing this after all:

With your logic, the GTX 950 should perform just as bad, if not worse, than the GTX 750 Ti, but it doesn't. But both cards are mainstream GPUs, aren't they?

[zMeul]

3 minutes ago, Shahnewaz said:

Yeah, nice job trying to put an unreleased chip that has 2.5X better performance per watt, built on a 14nm process

2.5X perf/watt compared to what exactly?!

 

[Fetzie]

32 minutes ago, zMeul said:

now it's a price bracket

whatever fits your narrative .. riight

 

can you point to a nVidia source where GTXs are classified as?!

Haven't found an nVidia page, but lots of reviews of the x60 class cards talk about how nVidia is bringing the card to the mainstream with its ~200 dollar price-point. The focus of "mainstream" definitely appears to be that price-point, not that performance bracket.

[zMeul]

4 minutes ago, Fetzie said:

Haven't found an nVidia page, but lots of reviews of the x60 class cards talk about how nVidia is bringing the card to the mainstream with its ~200 dollar price-point. The focus of "mainstream" definitely appears to be that price-point, not that performance bracket.

again .. what you, me, the media considers a bracket is not the same as what nVidia or AMD does

moreover, I don't ever recall nVidia using price or even performance brackets to classify their GTX lineups

[Shahnewaz]

10 minutes ago, zMeul said:

2.5X perf/watt compared to what exactly?!

2.5X per/watt compared to last generation AMD GPUs, and about 1.75X perf/per watt compared to Maxwell GPUs.

But I should really stop spoon-feeding you information. That is your responsibility when you're the one posting in the Tech News sub-forum.

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/224773-amd-unveils-2016-gpu-roadmap-polaris-offers-2-5x-performance-per-watt-may-utilize-gddr5

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Radeon-Technologies-Group-Previews-Polaris-Architecture

[zMeul]

3 minutes ago, Shahnewaz said:

2.5X per/watt compared to last generation AMD GPUs, and about 1.75X perf/per watt compared to Maxwell GPUs.

But I should really stop spoon-feeding you information.

I wanted you to say it to point out the calamity in your logic

 

the 2.5X performance increase based on the current products in the mainstream bracket, puts the Polaris 10 performance level around that of the R9 380X - nowhere near to 980Ti

[Shahnewaz]

1 minute ago, zMeul said:

I wanted you to say it to point out the calamity in your logic

 

the 2.5X performance increase based on the current products in the mainstream bracket, puts the Polaris 10 performance level around that of the R9 380X

And that's not mainstream anymore. Congratulations, you just proved yourself wrong.

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

Its called innovation. The first Pentium machines cost thousands. Imagine that now

Obviously you don't run a business lol

[Shahnewaz]

3 minutes ago, zMeul said:

nowhere near to 980Ti

Polaris 10 is not an enthusiast grade product, nor it's ever aimed to be one. Get your facts straight.

[Fetzie]

17 minutes ago, zMeul said:

again .. what you, me, the media considers a bracket is not the same as what nVidia or AMD does

moreover, I don't ever recall nVidia using price or even performance brackets to classify their GTX lineups

Then you are no more justified in calling it a performance bracket than I am calling it a price bracket.

 

That said, the performance level of "mainstream" cards increases every generation. You can only really say that they won't perform as well as the x70, x80, x80ti or R9 x80/x90/fury cards. And that is nothing newsworthy (and can't be said until you have a comparison in that generation to make). You cannot speculatively compare the performance of a card that nobody has seen to a previous generation.

 

If AMD says a card is "mainstream", then all we have to go on is the price-point of their previous mainstream cards and their comparative performance to other cards in that generation. All we can say is that the R9 470 won't be as powerful as the R9 480, which will be less powerful than the R9 490, which will be less powerful than the R9 Vega. The R9 470 will be more powerful than the R7 450, R7 460 and R9 460X. But that says nothing about how powerful the card will actually be because we don't know how powerful the rest of the cards are.

 

We know that it can run Hitman at 1440p at a constant 60FPS. We know it uses less power than previous generation cards, and we know it is more powerful than a card that ran SW at 60FPS / 1080p while using less than 100W of electricity. You cannot justify comparing performance to current gen cards (and saying that the performance will be shit) based on that information. That is WCCFTech level bullshit "journalism".

[Clanscorpia]

Just now, Slickwicked said:

Obviously you don't run a business lol

Lol the funny thing is, most of my family does. And I know when you want stuff to sell, and you need it to sell, you sell it as cheap as possible. AMD needs a shit ton of money, and if they have to mark down their GPU that much, they will

[Clanscorpia]

2 minutes ago, Shahnewaz said:

Polaris 10 is not an enthusiast grade product, nor it's ever aimed to be one. Get your facts straight.

If AMD says they want to make VR mainstream, they'll also make high end GPUs mainstream as well.

[zMeul]

2 minutes ago, Shahnewaz said:

And that's not mainstream anymore. Congratulations, you just proved yourself wrong.

that's exactly mainstream because generations advance in performance

and I didn't proved myself wrong since Polaris 10 is classified by AMD as mainstream - just read the AMD source I posted in the topic you quoted me from:

 

[DXMember]

who made that graph? I 'd do better in paint

[Shahnewaz]

20 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

If AMD says they want to make VR mainstream, they'll also make high end GPUs mainstream as well.

Yes, and that makes the enthusiast GPUs fall into the performance segment. Not make them fall 2 brackets. It would be very nice if that actually happened, but I'd wait for more confirmation.

20 minutes ago, zMeul said:

that's exactly mainstream because generations advance in performance

and I didn't proved myself wrong since Polaris 10 is classified by AMD as mainstream - just read the AMD source I posted in the topic you quoted me from:

 

Yes, and so?

It's classified as mainstream by AMD, and that's AMD's decision. Regardless, it brings an R9 380X level performance into the mainstream bracket. What is here to not like? Isn't this generational advance in performance that you're claiming? What is wrong here?

You claimed that they are about the performance level of an R7 360. Which is clearly not the case in your own words.

28 minutes ago, zMeul said:

the 2.5X performance increase based on the current products in the mainstream bracket, puts the Polaris 10 performance level around that of the R9 380X

On 2016-04-22 at 0:35 PM, zMeul said:

what mainstream means?! well .. you're not going to like it - it's about the performance level of a R9 260X or a R7 360X

 

[zMeul]

2 minutes ago, Shahnewaz said:

You claimed that they are about the performance level of an R7 360. Which is clearly not the case in your own words.

I never claimed that and I clarified what I said in that same topic: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/585715-amd-officially-classifies-polaris-10-as-mainstream-desktop-gpu-and-high-end-notebook-gpu/?do=findComment&comment=7638633

 

[captain cactus]

LET RED RIIIIIIIISE AGAAAAAIIIIIN.

[Shahnewaz]

Just now, zMeul said:

I never claimed that and I clarified what I said in that same topic: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/585715-amd-officially-classifies-polaris-10-as-mainstream-desktop-gpu-and-high-end-notebook-gpu/?do=findComment&comment=7638633

 

That is Polaris 11. It's logical that Polaris 11 targets the value bracket, when Polaris 10 targets the mainstream bracket.

This is something else, and not related to your claims I quoted.

[Mihle]

For me this looks to good to be true, but if it is, it would be amazing and I would not hesitate buying one.

[zMeul]

5 minutes ago, Shahnewaz said:

That is Polaris 11. It's logical that Polaris 11 targets the value bracket, when Polaris 10 targets the mainstream bracket.

This is something else, and not related to your claims I quoted.

because in both cases I'm not comparing performance, but the brackets current products are placed by AMD

[Belgarathian]

2 hours ago, Aytex said:

If this is true i can only imagine the power of the flagships, maybe like 3x the power? lol if we can only imagine

it also consuming less TDP makes us not have to get upgraded PSU's= more money saved for us

Source

 

Just FYI - TDP isn't something that can be consumed like energy, it's a measure of thermal output.