Using a 5 year old PC is really sad according to Apple

[ShadowCaptain]

19 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

umm my dad is using a macbook pro from 2009... still works fine for what he needs it for... just threw an ssd in there and maxed out the memory. it's perfect.

 

so.... ha

 

Same as my brother, his 2008/2009 15" macbook with an SSD is still quick

[CTR640]

Lol, %#& this guy who said that shit. My three years old i7-4770 and GTX780 is still rocking and there is a chance

I'll still have them the next two years. Damn that damn moron who said 5 years old PC is really sad, that guy himself is a sad, sad, sad person.

[Doobeedoo]

Truly thing that is sad are people that buy into their marketing scheme. Those statements of theirs are a joke.

[Aleksbgbg]

22 hours ago, Sevilla said:

Source: http://www.dailydot.com/technology/phil-schiller-sad/

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I have to agree with you, apple are such retards sometimes x)

 

I mean always, sorry.

[Colonel_Gerdauf]

In regards to the context he is speaking of (cheap OEM prebuilts), he is not wrong. Remember that he is not talking to you specifically, but rather everybody in general. Just saying.

[AyeJayKay]

8 hours ago, ShadowCaptain said:

 

id be happy to help, but people are hard to talk to

Computers are like cars, and there is a personal taste and passion that is hard to discuss regarding facts and figures

like if you told me a Vauxhall Astra was more reliable, and had more equipment than my Audi A4 i would still not want to swap, because I wouldnt want that brand etc

same with computers, especially since its hard to be qualitative with OSX vs Windows

Comparing Windows PC A, with PC B, is  simpler tasks, as performance is a directly relocatable thing

Example, if I want to run OSX and iOS then the fastest PC in the world and the best android phone being 10% of the cost still does not do what i want it to do

people need to understand that Price:Performance ratio is only ONE aspect of a computer

I like to use the McLaren 12c vs Ferrari 458 car argument.

 

Ask any car guy and they'll truthfully tell you that the 12c is faster, more economical, more comfortable (far more comfortable), anndddd at the end of the day will drive home the Ferrari if given the choice.

 

Now I'm not saying there won't be people who choose the McLaren but EVERYTHING (cars, clothes, choice of coffee, etc) is all subjective. I don't see why computers and technology is any different. 

[79wjd]

29 minutes ago, AyeJayKay said:

Now I'm not saying there won't be people who choose the McLaren but EVERYTHING (cars, clothes, choice of coffee, etc) is all subjective. I don't see why computers and technology is any different. 

Because you can't argue with facts. There is no room for opinions in computing. Specs are absolute.

 

/s

[pit5000]

sad? sorry, I'm not swimming in cash and can't afford to upgrade every other year.

 

as long as it's in good condition and works fine, there's no problem

[Carclis]

Well their Mac Pro users must be quite a sad bunch then with the current model using the 3 year old FirePro D500.

[Goldfile]

Yeah, I saw this on Geek.com the other day. Even my mates were laughing about how ridiculous that opinion is.

[Evyatar]

I'm using X58... What would Apple say about that?

[LokiFire]

RIP my 6 year old PC.

 

 

 

[ShadowCaptain]

12 hours ago, AyeJayKay said:

I don't see why computers and technology is any different. 

Because all people see is, number X is bigger than number Y

 

It would be like picking a car purely based on its MPG and 0-60, instead of, how it makes you feel, if you like the looks and build quality, if you like how the stereo and nav system works, how comfy the seats are, etc

People just see "oh its got a worse processor and its more expenisve" instead of seeing the entire package that makes up the machine, the software and ecosystem surround it, the support, warranty, the available accessories etc

Price to performance is only ONE factor in picking a machine, especially if somebody can afford to spend more on a machine
 

[Misanthrope]

17 hours ago, Colonel_Gerdauf said:

In regards to the context he is speaking of (cheap OEM prebuilts), he is not wrong. Remember that he is not talking to you specifically, but rather everybody in general. Just saying.

So users that have even less of a need for improved hardware should change more frequently? Under what logic?  I say is the opposite: power users like most people in this forums actually do need more frequent updates but mainstream folk, what could they possibly need out of the newer devices if they're still gonna just post selfies on instagram and family pics on Facebook, maybe watch youtube videos and netflix?

[Dabombinable]

36 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

So users that have even less of a need for improved hardware should change more frequently? Under what logic?  I say is the opposite: power users like most people in this forums actually do need more frequent updates but mainstream folk, what could they possibly need out of the newer devices if they're still gonna just post selfies on instagram and family pics on Facebook, maybe watch youtube videos and netflix?

As it is my Grandmotehr was doing just fine on an Asus A3H with a Celeron M380, 512MB RAM and Windows XP home. I later refurbished a Compaq CQ60 for her (2GB RAM to 4GB, 250GB HDD to 750GB, Vista Home Premium to Windows 7 Home Premium) and to this day it seems to do all office and internet related tasks flawlessly.

[79wjd]

3 hours ago, ShadowCaptain said:

It would be like picking a car purely based on its MPG and 0-60, instead of, how it makes you feel, if you like the looks and build quality, if you like how the stereo and nav system works, how comfy the seats are, etc

 

This is really something that needs to be emphasized a lot more. I drove my mom's loaner 2016 C300, which is considered by most to be a pretty nice car that a lot of people would love to have....I hated it. It drove like crap. Well, to be clear, it drove well if you don't want to feel like you're driving -- there was no road feel and there was a lot of turbo lag making it feel very slow. These two factors aren't a problem for everyone though, but for me they are -- and as such I would never spend the money on a C300; however my mom loved the way the C300 drove and hated how the A4 drove (whereas I was the complete opposite). 

10 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

As it is my Grandmotehr was doing just fine on an Asus A3H with a Celeron M380, 512MB RAM and Windows XP home. I later refurbished a Compaq CQ60 for her (2GB RAM to 4GB, 250GB HDD to 750GB, Vista Home Premium to Windows 7 Home Premium) and to this day it seems to do all office and internet related tasks flawlessly.

Of course, basic tasks are still very easy to run and don't require anything new -- my mom was using an Athlon 64 3000+ until recently (and the only reason she upgraded was because I upgraded and gave her my old laptop). But the fact still remains that my mom wastes a lot of time just waiting for the laptop to turn on/open applications due to a lack of an SSD -- so upgrading to something like an iPad would improve her computer use -- as would just upgrading to an SSD. But like I've said in a previous post, a prebuilt manufacturer will never recommend upgrading as an option and will always suggest something new. Not to mention the other issues that arise with upgrading (for the average tech-illiterate).

[Dabombinable]

1 minute ago, djdwosk97 said:

This is really something that needs to be emphasized a lot more. I drove my mom's loaner 2016 C300, which is considered by most to be a pretty nice car that a lot of people would love to have....I hated it. It drove like crap. Well, to be clear, it drove well if you don't want to feel like you're driving -- there was no road feel and there was a lot of turbo lag making it feel very slow. These two factors aren't a problem for everyone though, but for me they are -- and as such I would never spend the money on a C300; however my mom loved the way the C300 drove and hated how the A4 drove (whereas I was the complete opposite). 

Of course, basic tasks are still very easy to run and don't require anything new -- my mom was using an Athlon 64 3000+ until recently (and the only reason she upgraded was because I upgraded and gave her my old laptop). But the fact still remains that my mom wastes a lot of time just waiting for the laptop to turn on/open applications due to a lack of an SSD -- so upgrading to something like an iPad would improve her computer use -- as would just upgrading to an SSD. But like I've said in a previous post, a prebuilt manufacturer will never recommend upgrading as an option and will always suggest something new. Not to mention the other issues that arise with upgrading (for the average tech-illiterate).

Considering how fast the old 60GB 5400RPM HDD was under XP (in the Asus that is), and how fast the 750GB 7200RPM that the CQ60 was upgraded to runs, both laptops with their respective setups started up faster than when I was running my WD Blue 1TB with my i5 4440+8GB DDR3 1333.

[Colonel_Gerdauf]

3 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

So users that have even less of a need for improved hardware should change more frequently? Under what logic?  I say is the opposite: power users like most people in this forums actually do need more frequent updates but mainstream folk, what could they possibly need out of the newer devices if they're still gonna just post selfies on instagram and family pics on Facebook, maybe watch youtube videos and netflix?

It is not quite that simple. The problem with OEM PC systems is that they do not exactly stand the test of time, especially with the kind of userbase it has. The power users are willing to do some maintenance to make sure their older hardware remains adequate for the job, essentially squeezing every drop of milk it still has. The average user is not willing to do so much as what seems to us to be really basic systems check. So, when the system is running sub-optimally, it their eyes, it is broken. They would not be able to check Facebook at that rate. Even if it wasn't, there would not have been much they could do without gutting out the case and do a build out of it, or reinstalling the operating system(s) from scratch, neither of which they know how to do. To add insult to injury, the kinds of PCs you find from Dell or HP has next to no forwards-compatibility; I have seen OEMs built in 2014 with SATA I, FFS.

[Misanthrope]

1 hour ago, Colonel_Gerdauf said:

It is not quite that simple. The problem with OEM PC systems is that they do not exactly stand the test of time, especially with the kind of userbase it has. The power users are willing to do some maintenance to make sure their older hardware remains adequate for the job, essentially squeezing every drop of milk it still has. The average user is not willing to do so much as what seems to us to be really basic systems check. So, when the system is running sub-optimally, it their eyes, it is broken. They would not be able to check Facebook at that rate. Even if it wasn't, there would not have been much they could do without gutting out the case and do a build out of it, or reinstalling the operating system(s) from scratch, neither of which they know how to do. To add insult to injury, the kinds of PCs you find from Dell or HP has next to no forwards-compatibility; I have seen OEMs built in 2014 with SATA I, FFS.

1) People routinely get their PCs checked and maintained is not uncommon.

2) Irregardless of 1), Isn't part of the Apple mark up (when it exists before someone brings up their recent laptops) is that they sell it as higher quality stuff?

 

I mean I do get your argument, I'm just not convinced Apple should be making it since they're definitively not making PCs cheap enough to be considered disposable, I'd leave that to mid 2000s e-machines for example in which case yes they could justifiably say 5 years is far too much buy a newer product.

[bcredeur97]

I must add that 5 years ago was 2011, 2011 was Ivy bridge I believe.

Who here has an Ivy Bridge based system that is complaining about how slow it is? lol

 

The only thing we have done really since then is add more features. Ivy bridge still performs extremely well!

[AyeJayKay]

7 hours ago, djdwosk97 said:

This is really something that needs to be emphasized a lot more. I drove my mom's loaner 2016 C300, which is considered by most to be a pretty nice car that a lot of people would love to have....I hated it. It drove like crap. Well, to be clear, it drove well if you don't want to feel like you're driving -- there was no road feel and there was a lot of turbo lag making it feel very slow. These two factors aren't a problem for everyone though, but for me they are -- and as such I would never spend the money on a C300; however my mom loved the way the C300 drove and hated how the A4 drove (whereas I was the complete opposite). 

I'm a big fan of Porsche's and I see comments on YouTube saying.. "omg C7 Corvette has wayyy more horsepower and is faster around a track for half the price".

 

Yes. The latest Corvettes are actually quite modern and do wonderfully well both on the road and track. Yes they offer great value and angry noises and I would love to own one BUT! if given the choice, I would spend my OWN money and pay extra for the Porsche. Yes it may have less horsepower and cost twice as much but FOR ME, I love a NA Flat-6 revving to almost 9,000 with all the quality materials, the (subjectively i know) beautiful design, and the history of motorsport behind it.

 

I mentioned 'OWN money' earlier because that same principle applies to technology. Whether it be Apple, Samsung, Google, Microsoft... these consumers are paying with their OWN money for the products that THEY want. If they are happy with their purchase, who are we to judge? If they are unhappy with their purchase, we'll say "I told you so" and then the process starts all over. They try out another new product purchased with THEIR OWN money and THEY decide again whether or not it was a good purchase or not.

[Brennan Price]

Until I got my gaming PC last year, I was using an 8 yr old desktop I bought for £50. Before that I was using a 10 year old HP compaq 6910p. I think the desktop was a compaq too.

[themctipers]

iPad air: from 2013

really fucking slow since i got iOS 8

 

iPhone 4: from 2010

Its really fucking slow since I got iOS 7

 

iPhone 6s plus: from 2015 (latest iPhone)

It runs animations at 24 fps on iOS 9.2.1 and 9.1

lmao what?

 

 

hmmm maybe the NEWER software fucked up the older hardware

lets go check the non apple side.

 

i5 760: from 2010

runs windows 10 PERFECTLY

even paired with a r9 380 it doesnt bottleneck THAT much

 

Apple, your saying that my 4x4gb kit from 2010 is "obsolete"?

Your saying that my turntable from the mid 1980's is "obsolete"? If I sold it now its $800 mint condition..

Your saying that my Altec Lansing VS4121 is "obsolete"? It kicks more ass than my Logitech Z507..

 

 

 

[79wjd]

9 minutes ago, themctipers said:

iPad air: from 2013

really fucking slow since i got iOS 8

 

iPhone 4: from 2010

Its really fucking slow since I got iOS 7

 

iPhone 6s plus: from 2015 (latest iPhone)

It runs animations at 24 fps on iOS 9.2.1 and 9.1

lmao what?

 

 

hmmm maybe the NEWER software fucked up the older hardware

lets go check the non apple side.

 

i5 760: from 2010

runs windows 10 PERFECTLY

even paired with a r9 380 it doesnt bottleneck THAT much

 

1. Apple, your saying that my 4x4gb kit from 2010 is "obsolete"?
2. Your saying that my turntable from the mid 1980's is "obsolete"? If I sold it now its $800 mint condition..
3. Your saying that my Altec Lansing VS4121 is "obsolete"? It kicks more ass than my Logitech Z507..

 

 

 

You should get that checked out then, iOS 8 and 9 both ran fine on my 5s (same specs as the Air). 

 

All new software becomes more taxing on hardware -- that's generally how things go (especially when massive improvements are being made). Windows on the other hand, is a developed OS that has had time to mature -- iOS and Android are still growing and playing catch up. 

 

1. I think we all know that's not what they meant by the comment.... 
2. yes, it is obsolete. It retails for a lot because A) obsolete doesn't mean all around worse, and B) because it's a collectors item. 
3. Speaker technology hasn't changed much in the last fifty years. 

 

[Godlygamer23]

On 3/22/2016 at 3:14 PM, tmcclelland455 said:

Oh no my 7950 is useless now because it's 4 years old? Even though it will still do some titles at 1440p?

If you still have a use for it, why not use it? Who cares if it's 4 years old - my CPU is a 3570K that was released back in 2012, and it's fine. The idea that you need to have the latest and greatest is simply not true. Besides, sometimes it's better to wait it out to avoid potentially wasting your money.