did i make a stupid mistake by not getting skylake?

[gecko_hybrid]

Hey guys, i just recently bought parts for my first ever new pc (2016). I haven't built it yet (will build it on Saturday). But I just feel a little bittersweet knowing that I could have spent around $70-100 more by getting the brand new skylake system. It's probably because since it's a brand new pc from scratch, I felt like I missed out on getting the "brand new parts."

 

No matter how many times I've asked people about their systems similar to mine etc, they tell me wonderful things about it. I know i'm making a big deal out of this, but I just feel like I missed an opportunity, ya know?

 

 

Maybe it's cause I haven't got to try out my new pc yet... haha.

 

 

Don't get me wrong though, I'm very grateful that I managed to save and wait for many years to get my first gaming pc! Can't wait to try it even though its not the brand new skylake.. hah.

 

 

My specs:

CPU: i5 4690k (hope i don't screw up the overclock)...  :mellow:

Mobo: Asus Z97-A USB 3.1

Ram: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16 gb 1600 Mhz

GPU: EVGA Gtx 970 SSC 2.0+

PSU: EVGA 750w 80+ Gold Certified

 

 

tldr; just wanted to share my thoughts that kinda bothered me a little bit/vent.

[Statik]

No.

[HKZeroFive]

Haswell is still a great option. Don't be put off by it.

[Kamina]

No. Skylake is overpriced in my opinion.

 

Just OC your processor.

[Geralt]

I think there's a few people around with 2600Ks in their systems so no.

 

Maybe you might want to look to upgrading to a used 4790K in a few years down the road and you should be set for a couple of years.

[Samfisher]

No. Skylake is overpriced in my opinion.

 

Just OC your processor.

The OP clearly states the total price difference is only $70-100, which IMHO is worth the price for everything you get out of the Z170 chipset.

[kameshss]

No. Skylake is overpriced in my opinion.

 

Yea, It was! But when it released.

 

Now it's around $25 dollar differences.

 

It's really worth imo.

 

Skylake

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($253.87 @ OutletPC) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.88 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: MSI Z170A PC MATE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($89.99 @ Micro Center) 

Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($36.99 @ Amazon) 

Total: $405.73

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-08 03:27 EST-0500

 

Haswell.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($227.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.88 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($32.99 @ Adorama) 

Total: $374.85

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-08 03:27 EST-0500

[Kamina]

The OP clearly states the total price difference is only $70-100, which IMHO is worth the price for everything you get out of the Z170 chipset.

Not sure what other features they have other than DDR4 and USB 3.1. Doesn't seem like an incentive to me.

[BrightCandle]

Skylake has some real benefits for games, they really improved certain aspects of performance to give gamers a lot more in a generation than any processor since Sandy Bridge. A lot of people however don't believe that due to the way journalism works and how few are testing scenarios when it helps.

But its not like haswell is a bad CPU, its just 2 years out of date and sometimes price matters more than latest and greatest. Skylake is low availability and hence expensive due to produced tion issues.

[Kamina]

 

Yea, It was! But when it released.

 

Now it's around $25 dollar differences.

 

It's really worth imo.

 

Skylake

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($253.87 @ OutletPC) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.88 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: MSI Z170A PC MATE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($89.99 @ Micro Center) 

Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($36.99 @ Amazon) 

Total: $405.73

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-08 03:27 EST-0500

 

Haswell.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($227.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.88 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($32.99 @ Adorama) 

Total: $374.85

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-08 03:27 EST-0500

 

You've got a good point. Could have sworn it was like $300 the last time I saw but must have been a temporary shortage.

[kameshss]

You've got a good point. Could have sworn it was like $300 the last time I saw but must have been a temporary shortage.

Yep.

 

But this is the time to start recommending Skylake instead of Haswell, and also tell how good is Skylake is good for the money and the advantage of DDR4 and it's faster memory. Also little bit of future proofing here.

 

But I'd still recommend 4460 for those people who have super tight budget for their gaming/editing rig

[Samfisher]

Not sure what other features they have other than DDR4 and USB 3.1. Doesn't seem like an incentive to me.

TBH those are pretty big changes.  Your RAM you buy today will not be carried over to your future system.  3.1 and Type C and TB3 are all out and available.  Not to mention easier overclocking, lower power draw, heat, and ready for whatever is next in Intel's CPU lineup.

[Overkilled]

Ive got a very similar system prepare your cpu to absolutely slaughter anything your 970 can muster up in firestrike (I speak from experience)

[Kamina]

TBH those are pretty big changes.  Your RAM you buy today will not be carried over to your future system.  3.1 and Type C and TB3 are all out and available.  Not to mention easier overclocking, lower power draw, heat, and ready for whatever is next in Intel's CPU lineup.

Hmm... I never even use my USB ports for anything special since I'm no content creator. I can wait for PCI-Express 4.0 when HBM 2.0 becomes cheaper and widely adopted. I mean, 32GB/s of bandwidth on x16 sounds amazing, especially for SSDs.

[Samfisher]

Hmm... I never even use my USB ports for anything special since I'm no content creator. I can wait for PCI-Express 4.0 when HBM 2.0 becomes cheaper and widely adopted. I mean, 32GB/s of bandwidth on x16 sounds amazing, especially for SSDs.

If you're not a content creator, you'd never need 32GB/s of bandwidth from your SSD

[Kamina]

If you're not a content creator, you'd never need 32GB/s of bandwidth from your SSD

True. It just sounds cool on paper and it'd be nice to see Linus do a vid on it.

 

But for HBM 2.0 it might be something useful with DX12.

[Goat]

Skylake cpus can bend under the pressure of large cpu heatsinks and waterblocks so Haswell is the better choice here.

[thevipper]

I'll tell you a secret every intel die shrink makes it cooler than amd hehe get it cooler lol, seriously though, you are only 2 genarations behind skylake there's cpu's 5, 6 and even 7 genarations back that can still keep up with a 6500,6600,6600k cpu's as a whole you are not missing nothing "going newer" for a 10% boost in single core performance but a 30-45% boost in single core looks good at first but really it isn't when you spent $1000- $1500+ within the last 10 years. Ask you're self this when do you spend $26,000 for a new car every year, every 2 years, or every 10 years or do you upgrade or replace broken parts well in the computer market there's not buying a new mobo or cpu after 3 years max you have to look at new platform or used.same platform. The point the $100 saved can be used to buy some awesome games or a extra drive

[MageTank]

Skylake cpus can bend under the pressure of large cpu heatsinks and waterblocks so Haswell is the better choice here.

Umm no. That was one guy, using a power tool on his heatsink. I have had 2 Skylake CPU's so far, both have been in my ITX case, which i carry absolutely everywhere i go. It has survived hundreds of hours of car rides up and down the West Virginia mountains, and i just replaced my thermal paste last night, and not even a single slight bend to it. Still straight as physically possible. 

 

Let's not let negligence and rumors take the place of facts.

[NumLock21]

Just got it, then return it for skylake. The only difference is the ram, about $15

And you spend your hard earn money, why not treat yourself to the latest and best.

Do not wait, return while you still can.

[Jahramika]

Not sure what other features they have other than DDR4 and USB 3.1. Doesn't seem like an incentive to me.

You leave out the most important advantage and that is M.2 PCIE x4 support and a lot of boards have up to 3 slots. Most impact with Skylake I think.

[monkey10120]

The reason I went skylake is because future upgrades and saving money long term.

 

So my main gaming machine was with a 3570k. I couldnt stand multitask performance so I needed an i7 again. 

 

I had the option to upgrade to 4790k or 6700k. Yes they are near Identical in performance so I had to look at 170 features. The ones I wanted and why I chose:

-M.2 PCI x4. A bit expensive when it comes to SSDs but give it a few months and I might be picking one up

-DDR4. Doesnt increase performance but since I would be buying another stick of ram, I might as well pay a few more bucks now and save buying a DDR3 stick now and then buying DDR4 in the future anyway.

-1151. 1150 is receiving no new cpus anymore. Maybe the tock for this socket will improve more than 4%. Who knows but I wont have to buy another mobo for a new socket for a few years. 

-OCing seems to be a bit better so it this upgrade will last me quite a while.

 

Overall I think me spending $50 more will pay off in the end. Not sure while people a given such flak for going skylake.

[LokiFire]

Yeah Skylake is the right choice, im only going Haswell because of budget constraints.

[Sauron]

No, the real mistake was getting a 970 instead of an r9 390 ^^ but don't worry it's not a huge deal.

[Darkseth]

Here in germany, Skylake is no longer overpriced.

The 6600k kostes 253€, the 4690k is at 251€ (one of the most popular hardware shops). Ram is similar priced, and Boards also, and Asus/MSI got a Cashback running here, untill early february. so  by comparing a similar Board, the skylake should be slightly cheaper.

Anyway, even like 50 bucks more is worth it, in my opinion.

 

The Skylake CPU consumes a bit less power, is cooled easier (produces less heat), and IS faster and can hold Frames beetter. in some situation there can be 10-20% more fps (of course, extreme-szenario) compared to a similar clocked Devils canyon: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-intel-skylake-core-i7-6700k-review

 

 

But this does not Mean, your 4th generaion cant make you happy for several Years.