The gaming community is full of BS

[harrynowl]

^^

 

iirc it's basically a GPU test to check GPU temps when pushed to the max

It's like measuring your GPU overclock with prime95...

[Tobblish]

The main thing is that gamers suggest PC specs with the lowest end i5 and GTX 970. It's like all people do is game. I better get i5 4690K and GTX 960 and overclock them both and I can use it for Adobe CC and programming better than i5 4430.

What kind of programming do you that overclocking your GPU and CPU makes it better?

[TheMechEngineer]

OH you are engineer? Well done, Pls point this out more. Tap your back. 

 

If you want to prove something, post benchmarks, not some out-of-your-ass smartass subjective BS

 

You do have some valid points tho

 

Hey I don't mind some feedback, I'm happy to learn.

The worst engineers are the ones who think they're smart and stomp all over everyone else's ideas.

[Wiplive]

What kind of programming do you that overclocking your GPU and CPU makes it better?

 

The kind of programming that lets me have more multi-tasking capabilities than buying worse processor. Gamers should really know that most people just want great all-around performance. Not spend 500$ on GPU and 150$ on CPU. I really like that I went for 4690K and GTX 960. I only play Team Fortress 2 and Unturned, only finished GTA V once and it's enough.

[Manny Calavera]

Hey I don't mind some feedback, I'm happy to learn.

The worst engineers are the ones who think they're smart and stomp all over everyone else's ideas.

Well, so we avoid crapping and arguing in another thread, i suggest we clean the post of subjective BS and we can put link of the guide in our sig, because they probably wont pin this.

[arronleeds]

well then.... the cpu one is bullshit, if you play a cpu intensive game and you overclock it will give a better min fps....

[Leonard]

Quick someone get this guy a chill pill before he starts to suffer with high anxiety. 

[Nena Trinity]

#watchlinustechtips

[RainColt]

The truth hurts, and I've found over the recent months that the gaming community would easily be the worst computer engineers on the entire planet. There are just so many myths and downright unsubstantiated lies that have mislead countless people into buying poor-performing gaming computers and wasting money on overkill components that make bugger-all difference.

 

I have to vent about this, because as an engineer it has made me downright frustrated at all the BS in the PC gaming community.

DISCLAIMER: I am no computer engineer, in fact I'm not even an electrical engineer....but I have a tendency to notice BS.

 

Here in this rant, I just wanted to list and rant about some of the many myths out there that can be so misleading for anyone building their first gaming computer.

 

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MYTH #1: You need an 18-core processor to get the best framerate possible.

 

This is #1 because it pisses me off so much. If it's the job of the CPU to increase framerate, then what's the graphics card doing?

Here's a hands-on experiment to try: Start up the most resource-intense game you have, and play it with Task Manager running in the background. After a while, check out the CPU usage.

Shock horror!! The CPU is doing almost _nothing_. Damn right it's doing nothing. If this myth were real, you'd think the CPU would be pegged out at 100% usage, but this is nonsense.

When you buy a standalone graphics card, it's the GPU that does all the work. That's why it's a....y'know....standalone card with it's own memory, and all that.

 

Before some people start mouthing off and asking about running a GTX Titan X SLI setup with an Intel Celeron. YES there are limits to this argument. It would be stupid to do that.

But if you're getting an 18-core processor expecting to get higher framerates, you're badly mistaken.

 

For more information, check out these videos (and notice how the Core i5's perform just as well as the Core i7's in gaming performance):

 

Heavyweight vs Lightweight CPU Showdown - Intel i7 5960X and Pentium G3258

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJACZ5iStWw

 

Best CPU For Gaming - 6700K, 4790K or 5930K?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOh19-No2Nw

 

MYTH #2: Overclocking your CPU from 3.4GHz to 4.8GHz increases game performance substantially.

 

Overclocking does bugger-all to help game performance.

Of course, this is very similar to myth #1, so....refer to the above.

But I know from _experience_ that this is the case. I have a Core 2 Duo gaming rig that I overclocked from 3.0GHz to 4.0GHz, which is a decent 33% increase in speed.

Testing with FurMark revealed that overclocking had yielded precisely bugger-all performance in FPS. We're literally talking an average of 21fps initially vs. 21fps after overclocking. Where's the massive performance gains, eh?

So essentially you're using much more electricity, producing much more heat, spending much more money on water cooling and shit to gain precisely....nothing.

What a bargain.

 

Your not completely wrong but your testing is wrong. In most games yes GPU is what matters but there are some exceptions (RTS, MMO) these will see a significant boost in performance on the intel side and with overclocking because they rely heavily on the CPU.

FurMark is a GPU bound stress test it should have yielded precisely bugger-all performace from overclocking the CPU because it's not using the CPU, the only time overclocking will equate to more performance is when your capping your CPU @100% prior to overclocking for everything else, yeah keep is stock.

[Tobblish]

The kind of programming that lets me have more multi-tasking capabilities than buying worse processor.

So just the cheapest dual core would be been efficent enough in other words. No need to make a statement like overclocking and buying a more powerful CPU makes it so you can do better programming.

Stick with what is actually true.

[DXMember]

The worst engineers are the ones who think they're smart and stomp all over everyone else's ideas.

 those are scientists.

 

Also, #1 - GTA V

 

#2 - Minecraft and GTA V again

[Manny Calavera]

I will post short example

 

Gaming PC Guide 

 

 #1: You need to balance out cpu and gpu according to game`s demands you want to play and budget.

Heavyweight vs Lightweight CPU Showdown - Intel i7 5960X and Pentium G3258

Best CPU For Gaming - 6700K, 4790K or 5930K?

 

 #2: Overclocking performance numbers, downsides and advantages:

Blabal heat, bla power consumption, bla, amd, bla intel....

Benchmarks: Benchmarksdotcomlink

 

#3: How much memory do i need? 

Extra capacity also does nothing for performance. 

Linus did a great video about RAM, and it shows some performance graphs that clearly show the bugger-all performance gains:

High Speed RAM - Is It Worth It? DDR3 1333MHz vs 2400MHz

 

 #4: You dont need a Z87, Z97 or Z170 motherboard for overclocking. Here are reasons for each chipset:

Z97 
B85 
H81

 

#5: Cases

All you need is a case with enough inlets to allow decent cooling and expansion, with dust filters wherever possible to keep your computer's #1 enemy on the outside.

Blablabla this are good cases for their price points:

mATX:
Silverstone 
Etc...

 

ATX:

Corsair 43032

Cooler Masta 353

 

mITX:

lianli x953532535

 

ETC...

[ManIkWeet]

MYTH #1: You need an 18-core processor to get the best framerate possible.

 

This is #1 because it pisses me off so much. If it's the job of the CPU to increase framerate, then what's the graphics card doing?

Here's a hands-on experiment to try: Start up the most resource-intense game you have, and play it with Task Manager running in the background. After a while, check out the CPU usage.

Shock horror!! The CPU is doing almost _nothing_. Damn right it's doing nothing. If this myth were real, you'd think the CPU would be pegged out at 100% usage, but this is nonsense.

When you buy a standalone graphics card, it's the GPU that does all the work. That's why it's a....y'know....standalone card with it's own memory, and all that.

 

Before some people start mouthing off and asking about running a GTX Titan X SLI setup with an Intel Celeron. YES there are limits to this argument. It would be stupid to do that.

But if you're getting an 18-core processor expecting to get higher framerates, you're badly mistaken.

 

For more information, check out these videos (and notice how the Core i5's perform just as well as the Core i7's in gaming performance):

 

Heavyweight vs Lightweight CPU Showdown - Intel i7 5960X and Pentium G3258

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJACZ5iStWw

 

Best CPU For Gaming - 6700K, 4790K or 5930K?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOh19-No2Nw

 

MYTH #2: Overclocking your CPU from 3.4GHz to 4.8GHz increases game performance substantially.

 

Overclocking does bugger-all to help game performance.

Of course, this is very similar to myth #1, so....refer to the above.

But I know from _experience_ that this is the case. I have a Core 2 Duo gaming rig that I overclocked from 3.0GHz to 4.0GHz, which is a decent 33% increase in speed.

Testing with FurMark revealed that overclocking had yielded precisely bugger-all performance in FPS. We're literally talking an average of 21fps initially vs. 21fps after overclocking. Where's the massive performance gains, eh?

So essentially you're using much more electricity, producing much more heat, spending much more money on water cooling and shit to gain precisely....nothing.

What a bargain.

 

MYTH #1: More cores is not going to do anything, this is correct, except when the game actually properly supports multiple cores (Prototype 2 is one example of a terrible console port actually using all my cores)

MYTH #2: More GHz can make a lot of difference, many games are limited by single core performance, which ties into MYTH #1: One core is at 100%, but the 17 other cores are waiting for that one core, task manager will take the sum of all the cores and divide it by 18... The result? Right, 5-6% cpu usage...

 

Overclocking can help reduce the single-core performance limit, making other cores having to wait less time, resulting in more FPS.

 

Prototype 2, a terrible console port which is quite often with games, manages to use 70+% of my 4.5GHz i7 2600k while still not utilizing my GPU 100%...

I would show you a screenshot, but I am not on my 144hz monitor at the moment and for some reason (probably nvidia driver) can't turn off V-Sync...

[LogicalDrm]

Like many others, I too have some things to comment. I haven't been in New builds or CPU & mobos in a while so can't say when this change you seem to rant about has happened.

 

MYTH #1: You need an 18-core processor to get the best framerate possible.

 

MYTH #4: You need a Z87, Z97 or Z170 motherboard for overclocking.

 

Rubbish. You can do decent overclocking on even some budget motherboards, provided that the overclocking settings are accessible in the BIOS.

These motherboards CAN still be worth buying because only the Z-Series chipsets support SLI/Crossfire, as well as many other features like expansion and better onboard audio, but some of the budget motherboards can be great deals for much less money.

Do yourself a favour and research everything before jumping in and going straight for a Z97 motherboard.

 

MYTH #5: Make sure that you buy a case with intakes and open grilles on every surface, to make sure that you have the most cooling possible.

 

You also get the most dust possible.

All you need is a case with enough inlets to allow decent cooling and expansion, with dust filters wherever possible to keep your computer's #1 enemy on the outside.

Don't waste your money on a gaming case with more holes in it than a barrel used by the Russian army for target practice.

Myth #1: Really? Last time I saw, quad cores where the recommended ones. I've never seen anyone recommend 18-cores for gaming. Or anything other than virtual machines or professional video editing/3D.

Myth #4: Seriously, generalization. While yes, you can OC with other chipsets too, your problem is making generalization that every Z-chipset board is expensive. Not the case. In fact, many non-Z-boards can be more expensive than Z-boards. Would you really recommend non-Z for someone new to overclocking and PCs in general? Someone who wants to try it but doesn't really know how? There's reason why Z-chipset is most recommended and why also the lower end boards are recommended.

Myth #5: Again, generalization. You don't get more dust if your case has mesh all around. You get more dust if cases fan configuration is made for negative air pressure. I have case with mesh all around and yet I don't have problem with dust INSIDE CASE. Dust filters on PSU and front intake do really good job. Most gaming cases have 1-2 intake fans and 1 exhaust. Completely fine and normal. All of them have filters too. Thats what you pay for.

#5-- So instead of bashing mesh design, you should bash those who are always recommending H100i or D14/15 as cooler for any build ever. Or people who recommend you filling every fan slot in case because it makes cooling performance better.

[Wiplive]

So just the cheapest dual core would be been efficent enough in other words. No need to make a statement like overclocking and buying a more powerful CPU makes it so you can do better programming.

Stick with what is actually true.

 

I have an laptop with i5 4200U and GT750M. It doesn't run nearly as fast as my PC. My school has i5 3470 PCs and they run much worse than mine (both have SSD)

[KarateHottie93]

People on the internet being full of shit is nothing new.

 

 

I have my gripes with your reason for MYTH 4. It is true that you don't need Z boards to overclock but not all of the other boards have the capability to overclock the chips. I am very wary when telling someone else that you don't need Z board to overclock because chances are they don't have much overclocking experience if not they would've already known this and the potential problems that come with it. Some kid might buy a K cpu with a budget H81 board and start overclocking. 

 

That's something I'd like to avoid. Unless its a pentium then things are different. Generally when a first time builder asks for A i5/i7 K and a motherboard for overclocking, I'll never ask them to grab a motherboard without official overclocking support.

 

I do know that some H87/97 boards can overclock alright. IIRC there was a bug in the bios of the Asrock H87 Fatal1ty Performance board that made overclocking easier on K chips but newer ones had new bios that corrected the "problem". 

Also this. My woman here knows what she's talking about.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

People on the internet being full of shit is nothing new.

 

 

Also this. My woman here knows what she's talking about.

 

Wait I'm a woman now?  :lol:

[KarateHottie93]

Wait I'm a woman now?  :lol:

Haha you are to me, baby.

[Guest]

I've heard none of this.

 

An i5 and a 960/970 is decent enough for most games/wallet sizes, if you've got thousands to spend then do you.

[watts300]

Some people also just like to have nice things.

[Trik'Stari]

I don't need any of those things, I just want them.

[App4that]

This topic is missing a reference to the in game chat including the following. "noob team again"

 

and cowbell

[NumLock21]

All cpus k and non-K can be overclocked. The non-K has a cap on it where it cannot overclock pass it. K ones can. If you were to spend $250 on a Core i5 or a $360 on a Core i7 those unlock chips, then why cheap out on the motherboard? I would rather play it safe and pair a Z chipset to the K cpus, instead of playing a gamble and wasting my time and resources. Cheapset Z97 is $99.

[PlayStation 2]

furmark =/= cpu murderer

 

that's when i knew this whole argument of yours is bullshit

[spwath]

I have never heard anyone say any of those