Youtube 8k support?

[KirbyTech]

Bulk orders make fiber surprisingly cheap. Along with increased manufacturing. It actually doesn't cost all that much to make the lines. So ISPs can't complain that they're spending boat loads of money when they're really not.

Was talking with a buy from Bell a month or so ago about just that, he claimed that including installing it on average it costs about $50 per foot, so while that is expensive it will be recouped in the next 5 years in cities and 20 in the country, but buy the time fiber becomes standard he thinks it will be under $20 a foot. Mind you this is Canada pricing so like 1.3x the US

[ShadowCaptain]

YouTube, we dont want higher resolution, can we just get a better bitrate pls

[Thony]

Most likely a bug, who would shoot at 8k and upload it to YouTube when we don't have 8K screens yet (for public).

Technology advances pretty fast but ISPs and all the work required to upgrade the infrastructure is moving at turtle speed...

Decent 4K screens are still pretty pricey and relatively new.

I only upgraded to 1080p last year.

[SIGSEGV]

rip bandwidth

[Thought]

Was talking with a buy from Bell a month or so ago about just that, he claimed that including installing it on average it costs about $50 per foot, so while that is expensive it will be recouped in the next 5 years in cities and 20 in the country, but buy the time fiber becomes standard he thinks it will be under $20 a foot. Mind you this is Canada pricing so like 1.3x the US

Yeah it most certainly does not cost $50 a foot. That's charge cost, not production cost.

[Dredgy]

So now tv manufacturers can upload their 8k demo videos to youtube, great!!. Beside the fact that no one has a 8k monitor/tv, does anyone know a youtuber that actually has an 8k camera..

 

Marques has I think. Though might be 6K. I forget.

[LarsReviews]

I'm Out. I'll only post to update build/mod logs.

 

 

liar

 

8k, would make my router explode

[dlf]

Not even google fiber could handle that, at the moment anyway I think.

[KirbyTech]

Yeah it most certainly does not cost $50 a foot. That's charge cost, not production cost.

He was talking about the cost to buy transport and install. Not to produce...

[LukaP]

liar

 

8k, would make my router explode

 

 

PS: before you yell at me I'll post to things that interest me..

shush

[KirbyTech]

Not even google fiber could handle that, at the moment anyway I think.

It can 8k is only about 120 down I would think... yeah that is high but google fiber should be able to handle it, I have 55 down and loaded about a third of a video then hit play and it was smooth all the way through so it is not a super far stretch, but data caps are where this would be an issue if we had monitors to support it.

[dylanstevens112]

Marques has I think. Though might be 6K. I forget.

it is 6k not 8k, i don't know any consumer grade cameras that can shoot 8k!

[Thought]

He was talking about the cost to buy transport and install. Not to produce...

Ah, even then I can't justify $50.

[Dredgy]

it is 6k not 8k, i don't know any consumer grade cameras that can shoot 8k!

 

His camera is not exactly consumer grade

There's only one or two that are capable of it at all.

[dylanstevens112]

His camera is not exactly consumer grade

There's only one or two that are capable of it at all.

Good point, i was just trying to exclude imax grade cameras etc.

[MVSde]

It's not as pointless to watch 4K on a 1080p screen as a lot of people think. The video codec used for 4K has much higher quality. Of course the video is scaled down to fit 1080p but you get rid of the annoying compression artifacts of YouTube's 1080p codec.

[Guest Strangerbob]

 I'm sure the majority of internet users has at least 10 down.

 

 

Must be nice in that bubble.

 

Wish i could return, but that would require a lobotomy.

[Doobeedoo]

Still, even then, YT compression is awful. I find some 720p videos better than 4K, and ofc both shot with pretty good equipment. I know they do bitrate compression otherwise no one would be able to watch HD, but going above 4K will be useless until most of internet users can have gigabit internet connection.

[othertomperson]

If I have the bandwidth for this I'll use it and downscale. YouTube's compression is pretty fucking noticeable, even at 4K.

[bcredeur97]

omg thank you for this post, the experimental player fixes the stuttering @ high res problem ive been having with youtube for quite some time

[TheGamingBarrel]

It does require a lot if you have 5/0.5

I'm sure they do, but they don't use their internet alone at home.

And downscaling for the win by the way.

Are you sure? I can buffer a video easily at 2.2 Mb/s at 720P, doing more than double would mean 1440P.

[minibois]

Are you sure? I can buffer a video easily at 2.2 Mb/s at 720P, doing more than double would mean 1440P.

I was just 'eyeballing' it. I've always had good internet, so I don't know what would cause YouTube to buffer a lot

But as I said on another post on the first page, you may have parents who are on the WiFi or a brother, etc.

 

And by the way, 1440p may be double 720p, but it's 4 times the pixels

The width is doubled and the height is doubled. That makes 4 times the amount of pixels

[Victorious Secret]

8K? 

Of course. Because I had access to the backbone fibre lines to download the video and I have 3 Xeons to actually play it back off a CPU and not cause the system to crash. 

[RH00D]

Impossible. Useless. And probably a bug.

Many people can't watch 1080p right now (or don't have enough bandwidth for it). Not even talking 4K..

 

People should stop thinking that just because they or people in their region can't do something that nobody else is capable of it either.

 

YouTube recommends 8 Mbps for 1080p. 35-45 Mbps for 4K. Knowing 8K is 4 times 4K we can know that 8K would require between 140-180 Mbps. I personally have a 175 Mbps connection with no data cap, living in Atlantic Canada. So I would be able to stream 8K, if I had an 8K monitor.

 

But you have to remember that 8K monitors will come. Microsoft is already building Windows 10 with native 8K support. Apple is rumored to be making an 8K iMac. Display manufacturers already have working 8K displays. We have video cameras capable of recording 8K.

 

YouTube needs to do their part and develop the capability to stream it. Even if its not a reality for a few years they need to do the R&D today to be prepared.

 

Lets not forget that YouTube also serves a global audience, not just North America. There are countries in the world where blazing fast internet is ubiquitous and bandwidth isn't a problem like it is for many in the USA. Hell, look at Japan where they are testing 8K TV broadcast next year and plan to have full service 8K TV broadcasting by 2020.

 

8K is already past the "can it be done" phase. It is now in the "cost reduction" phase. Then after that it will come to the "mass adoption" phase, until it is ubiquitous.

[minibois]

-snip-

I know there are people whose internet can handle it. My internet can handle 4K just fine.

But not all PC's can. I know technology goes very fast nowadays and my post was kind of overreacting

By the way, I am not from the US, but that market is kinda really big  and doesn't have the best internet at the moment.