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I'm happy it's gonna be free for one year for Windows 8.1 users, but it's stupid that it's only 1 year then you have to buy it. That sucks. I thought the OS would be free the whole way, like the 8.1 upgrade.

 http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/01/21/the-next-generation-of-windows-windows-10/

 

This is more than a one-time upgrade: once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device – at no additional charge

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 http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/01/21/the-next-generation-of-windows-windows-10/

 

This is more than a one-time upgrade: once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device – at no additional charge

The OP said it would be free for one year, then you had to buy it. Guess OP might be wrong. But if it's really free for life from Windows 8.1, then i'm all go for it.

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The OP said it would be free for one year, then you had to buy it. Guess OP might be wrong. But if it's really free for life from Windows 8.1, then i'm all go for it.

its free to obtain in the first year since it launches, after that year if you want to upgrade you have to buy a new license, but once you upgrade, you own it forever and get all the updates is going to have in its lifetime

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its free to obtain in the first year since it launches, after that year if you want to upgrade you have to buy a new license, but once you upgrade, you own it forever and get all the updates is going to have in its lifetime

Oh, cool.

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Anybody else intrigued by the announcement that directx 12 could also half Power draw, make GPUs more efficient. Surely half the PowerDraw would mean half the heat output. Therefore, within the restrictions of the draw calls etc, could you not theoretically push the graphics card twice as hard, at least up to its thermal limit?

Intrigued? yes. Of course. But they didn't mention anything new. They just more reminded people about DirectX12.

The idea is that DirectX 12 allows to free the CPU more than before. So, yes you COULD save battery life, Or developers can see it as an opportunity to make more demanding effects that is CPU driven (say physics), making loose that battery life gains on games.

And remember, it is UP TO 50%. So don't get too excited. Basically, it's, so far, all the claims that Mantle has, DirectX 12 has, at least from what we know so far from it, which isn't much.

 

 

I'm happy it's gonna be free for one year for Windows 8.1 users, but it's stupid that it's only 1 year then you have to buy it. That sucks. I thought the OS would be free the whole way, like the 8.1 upgrade.

 

The OP said it would be free for one year, then you had to buy it. Guess OP might be wrong. But if it's really free for life from Windows 8.1, then i'm all go for it.

Yes, the OP is wrong. The offer that Microsoft made, makes the sentence sound strange, hence why the OP was confused.
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Yeah windows 10 is free for windows 7 and 8 users!

 

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2825116/free-at-last-after-windows-10-consumers-wont-pay-for-updates-or-upgrades.html

 

 

Does this mean non of my games will work? Is there a compatibility mode or do non of my steam games made for windows 7 just plain don't work. 

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interesting strategy to sell more xbox ones. If anything it will pull more console gamers over to PC, which I am betting is the strategy. Eventually game streaming your xbox library on PC from "the cloud" will be better, because it will be accessible from any PC connected to the internet that can stream 1080p video. That would be a clever strategy, as steam currently has zero functionality for cloud streaming, and Origin is only dabbling in it. There has to be a monetary angle in there somewhere, giving away hundreds of millions of copies of windows like this.

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And remember, it is UP TO 50%. So don't get too excited. Basically, it's, so far, all the claims that Mantle has, DirectX 12 has, at least from what we know so far from it, which isn't much.

Oh I fully understand the up to term that tech companies absolutely love to use. What I am getting at, is that I would rather see a boost in graphical fidelity or NPC AI etc. than a push towards power savings. While I fully understand the benefits for those on laptops, I want that extra bits of free processing power to be used in the ultra settings of games. If it works well, perhaps we could see better performance at native 4K on single supported GPUs. I might buy a 4K TV this year for my HTPC gaming rig which uses a GTX 980. Not sure yet. While I love my 4k monitor, which uses Xfire 290s, I sit less than a metre from it, and I gain benefits in my photography editing software. But on a TV, I'm sat a fair bit further away. Tbh, with down sampling turned on some games like Sniper elite 3 and COD:AW, it really made me question the need for 4KTVs.

I do hope windows 10 supports 4k better. I am looking forward to being able to quickly stick open windows to the four corners instead of just the 2 sides we have now.

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Finally finished watching. What a major snoozefest; and I thought that apple's keynote were drowsy

One day I will be able to play Monster Hunter Frontier in French/Italian/English on my PC, it's just a matter of time... 4 5 6 7 8 9 years later: It's finally coming!!!

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Don't know why tapatalk posted it twice

One day I will be able to play Monster Hunter Frontier in French/Italian/English on my PC, it's just a matter of time... 4 5 6 7 8 9 years later: It's finally coming!!!

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I liked how they demo'd all the stuff im going to turn off, (ie) Cortana, Photo app, Xbox app....

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Yes, the OP is wrong. The offer that Microsoft made, makes the sentence sound strange, hence why the OP was confused.

They made it sound really strange. I was confused and so were a lot of people.

 

The OP is correct but you can interpret it in two different ways.

@cesrai you should probably reword the part about it being free. Something along the lines of "Windows 10 will be a free upgrade for Windows 7 and 8.1 users if you update within 1 year from release. If you don't upgrade within a year you will have to buy it like normal". Or something along those lines.

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The idea is that DirectX 12 

And remember, it is UP TO 50%. So don't get too excited. Basically, it's, so far, all the claims that Mantle has, DirectX 12 has, at least from what we know so far from it, which isn't much.

 

 

 

To be fair what they are doing with DirectX 12 is the most exciting news of the day. I have railed and railed against MS slowing adoption, by putting the new DX behind a pay wall, and it was interesting to hear Phil Spencer say that was a problem (because it was and it pissed me off to no end).

 

Like I said, if MS doesn't do anything with third party games in any service they make? This is fantastic. Adoption of the new API, and third party exclusives have always been my biggest complaints with MS. If they stop that, my criticism for the company will all but disappear. Things like Office suites and storage and first party programs, they have every right to charge whatever they want for. A gaming API that actually held us back at times? No. Not when free alternatives were available.

 

People who don't think Mantle or DX 12 (low level) is impressive have simply not played the games which would benefit them the most,and that is because we simply do not have ports of those games yet. Let me give you people a hint here. They are PC EXCLUSIVES. I have a 4770k at 4.5ghz that come to a crawl in Guild Wars 2. Why? Because the old DirectX simply cannot do what the game wants to do on one thread and cpu bound games always currently get bound on one thread no matter how well threaded they are.

 

Here is why.

http://www.littletinyfrogs.com/article/460524/DirectX_11_vs_DirectX_12_oversimplified

 

Star Citizen is a game that will see major gains and can possibly be even more ambitious now than it already was (if that is possible). As far as single player games seeing gains? An example here would be AC Unity/GTA type games. Is this going to help the XB1? Nope. Ubisoft needs to scale down npc's/immersion for the platform according to it's CPU power/ram it has and the PS4 should have been scaled down more on CPU than the XB1. It would have helped tremendously on the PC version though. We might have actually been able to play the devs vision at high FPS.

 

For fans of MMO's and PC exclusives? DX 12/Mantle is a godsend. It is going to allow the devs to do much more ambitious things, as well as make the games play much better on laptops with lower clock speeds, and laptops currently run most MMO's like absolute crap.Wildstar would be a good example of this. Ambitious game, that really can't run well on anything but highly overclocked Haswell's and performance is still mediocre. 

 

DX 12 should also go a long way in stopping absolutely GARBAGE ports. An example of this would be Far Cry 4. AC Unity was simply too ambitious and not optimized for each platform. Far Cry 4 was just a piece of rushed garbage that ran on mostly one core, and there was no excuse for being CPU limited in that game, other than the dev just being completely lazy.

 

Also everyone seems to think we are all on OC Haswell's and freakin Hexa's which they often used in Mantle benchmarks. There are a ton of PC Gamers on lower clocked laptops and AMD CPU's and lower end Intel's. Keep in mind that for a game to ACTUALLY SELL, it has to be playable on those. This limits how ambitious a dev can be on a PC exclusive. Star Citizen is a niche for the highest end PC's. World of Warcraft, which is a game made for the masses is not. It is dumbed down to lower PC's due to being CPU bound. 

 

Now if there are no "catches" (and I have shown what I think are catches), I think everyone should give a silent thank you to AMD and Valve here. You can laud MS all you want, but competition is what made them have to change. So thank you AMD and thank you Valve.

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Apply DX12 to Unity 3D 5

Update Kerbal Space Program to Unity 5

 

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profit

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Apply DX12 to Unity 3D 5

Update Kerbal Space Program to Unity 5

 

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profit

 

Unity and Unreal engine were announced as having DX 12 adoption at the conference. 

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I'm happy it's gonna be free for one year for Windows 8.1 users, but it's stupid that it's only 1 year then you have to buy it. That sucks. I thought the OS would be free the whole way, like the 8.1 upgrade.

It's a smart way to trap consumers into paying full price for the operating system a year later. If they launch Windows 10 on sale that would be the opportune time to buy it.

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Unity and Unreal engine were announced as having DX 12 adoption at the conference. 

 

 

Well, still profit.

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I'm just sitting here wondering if this "cross platform" announcement, Will end up being a way to cash grab a subscription from PC gamers. ALOT of W10 interests me. I like that you can stray from W8 for the most part. I have been wondering if they would grab my attention enough to get me off of W7. Xbox App is really the biggest unknown... 

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My general rule of thumb is to move onto a new OS once a service pack or update has been released - only reason I stick by this rule is that it allows for the OS to reach a greater level of maturity and stability (self-explanatory). Hopefully this occurs within that one year period! The transition from W8 to W8.1 occurred roughly within one year, so fingers crossed the same goes for W10.

 

I'm definitely liking how MS has really driven the development of W10, to what it is today. I felt as though W8 and W8.1 were backseat efforts hampered by a significant level of office politics. It's good to see that Satya and the recent restructuring have injected some well needed energy back into the development and competitiveness of the MS ecosystem.

 

However, I do have one question. Will all these new features add a noticeable amount of weight to the OS? I own a surface (64GB version) and am concerned about the amount of free space I will have on the drive, post the upgrade to W10. Some enlightenment would be appreciated.

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i dont understand thee hype behind DX12, an API available for a single version of a single platform locked behind a pay-wall when there are more ambitious projects like OpenGL 4,5 that is targeting every platform, on whatever version without discriminating CPU/GPU brands in all it's free open source goodness

One day I will be able to play Monster Hunter Frontier in French/Italian/English on my PC, it's just a matter of time... 4 5 6 7 8 9 years later: It's finally coming!!!

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i dont understand thee hype behind DX12, an API available for a single version of a single platform locked behind a pay-wall when there are more ambitious projects like OpenGL 4,5 that is targeting every platform, on whatever version without discriminating CPU/GPU brands in all it's free open source goodness

OpenGL discriminated GPUs. Much like DirectX, if you don't have OpenGL 4.0 compatible graphics card, you are not running OpenGL 4.0. Some APIs might work, much like the same situation with DirectX (will be at a lower performance, but not crash), but not all.
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It's a smart way to trap consumers into paying full price for the operating system a year later. If they launch Windows 10 on sale that would be the opportune time to buy it.

No. Windows 10 Upgrade is free. It is an offer from Microsoft that will last 1 year after its release. Microsoft stated clearly on its blog, its that the license is lifetime.
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OpenGL discriminated GPUs. Much like DirectX, if you don't have OpenGL 4.0 compatible graphics card, you are not running OpenGL 4.0. Some APIs might work, much like the same situation with DirectX (will be at a lower performance, but not crash), but not all.

one restriction on the hw side is still better than sw restriction (win10 only) + hw restriction (compatible gpu only). OpenGL still has a wider target

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i dont understand thee hype behind DX12, an API available for a single version of a single platform locked behind a pay-wall when there are more ambitious projects like OpenGL 4,5 that is targeting every platform, on whatever version without discriminating CPU/GPU brands in all it's free open source goodness

 

This isn't behind a paywall for Win 7/8 users. It is a paywall for a new PC, but we have had that paywall for a long time, and it was a recurring paywall that hindered the adoption of the new API.

 

Current OpenGL is heavily biased towards one brand, which is why AMD doesn't give two @#$%# about current OpenGL (and I don't blame them).

http://richg42.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-truth-on-opengl-driver-quality.html

 

Vendor a=nvidia, b=AMD, c=Intel.

 

Now the new OpenGL? Yup it looked promising. Problem is atm it is vaporware, we have no idea if Nvidia wants anything to do with the new OpenGL, we know AMD did cus they gave Kronos Mantle, and AMD wants nothing to do with the old OpenGL, and we have no idea how long it will take for them to get along and actually finish the thing.

 

Dev tools also come into the equation here. If MS has the dev tools, and they already have the console and this is all unified/simplified? Why bother. PS4 uses a customized. proprietary OpenGL so it it isn't on any real standard. XB1 and PC being on the same standard makes it easier for the devs.

 

Adoption was a problem? Solved. Devs happy, customers like me happy. What could make the new OpenGL more successful? Maybe if Sony adopted it and backed it, but it would have to perform just as well and they make their own tools probably and I doubt they would share them.

 

Sony might consider adoptions and a linux platform to get Steam library if MS streamed from PC to XB1, but that is probably the only way that would happen, and that is probably the only way devs would bother with OpenGL across the board now to be honest.

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just thought i'd put this meme out there:

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as soon as they announced the integration, this came to my mind immediately.

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I'm using this data to judge this site's biases so people can post in a more objective way.

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