CNN Accuse Anime as Child Porn

[Mooshi]

Automatically labelling me as someone who seeks things to complain about.... thanks. Regarding one of your other comments, "I find adults telling little children they will burn for all eternity in fire if they don't follow a book with many plotholes creepy, but that's their business.". I completely agree, however "that's their business" is like saying, rapists can commit their crime, but that's their business, therefore I will not intervene or stand up to it. Child porn on the internet, I'm sure you will agree, is sick. I do not need a better understanding of anime to know what kind of horrible, child depicting comics are terrifyingly common within some sites and stores. I do think that CNN were way to generalist about labelling anime as "child porn", however, there is no way you can possibly be FOR certain "child porn" depicting comics and images, surely? 

 

Ok, I'm sorry. I should have worded that better. I guess I should have phrased it in a way less harsh such as "If something offends you, it's better off looking for something you enjoy instead" Eh...I'm operating off little sleep so forgive me.

 

Yes, I don't think anyone would disagree that child porn is a terrible problem that has nothing good to come from it. And if we're being technical, one could classify certain images as CP. The thing is, with artwork, it's not always cut and dry when it comes to age since basically it's all here-say. Art style can sometimes make character look younger if it's in a cute fashion. Story can also have a character that looks 8 be actually hundreds of years old which is well beyond 18+. Some people might not like that, but that's how it is, it's up to interpretation. With an actual kid, you can't magically say things to change reality. A child will be a certain age regardless of what is told. This is why I have the stance of "if it's not real, there isn't a crime here." I myself was abused as kid when I was only 5 and as an adult, I would be pissed if the authorities were placing man power into prosecuting people with drawn images instead of those who actually raped a child. I hope my perspective makes sense at least.

 

I'm sorry if some of that came off as rambling and if I was a rude butt earlier. It just personally bothers me because of my own history. People should ignore drawings because they have no feelings, real children do. That's all i've been trying to get out in this thread. That and the shoddy reporting that'd only cause mass hysteria which is always a terrible thing to do to a gullible public. I agree with you about some of the stuff being easy to get access to, but it's not something super common in the western world to just come across so easy, usually that stuff is viewed online or imported.

[LAwLz]

The Children! You know the Children? I said it kind of sarcastically, since with any kind outcry someone usually says, "think about the children!" or thereabouts. While I do agree no actual children are being harmed or anything else, I think it's a little bit weird myself to have people draw young girls or boys alike having sex instead.. While there hasn't been any conclusive studies on people actually acting on fantasies they have from such material, I personally think that it could have an effect on the human psyche as human's act on stupid impulses all the time. I know it does sound kind of stupid, but I think that drawn and animated mediums should abide by age regulations as well.

 

Edit: Keep in mind this is coming from someone who has read/watched their fair share of related content and played plenty of terrible Visual Novels that just turn into fap games..

Do you also agree that violent video games should be banned then? Believe it or not, but people can separate real life and fiction. That's why study after study shows that violent video games, books, movies, music etc do not make people into murderers.

It's just as big of a leap going from shooting someone in a game to shooting someone in real life, as it is going from looking at children being violated in a comic to actually violating a child. Huge leap that no one with a healthy mind would do just out of impulse.

 

 

I think they forgot to use the word hentai instead of anime/manga, But what they are saying still stands child pornography is still wrong whether or not it's real life or drawn. 

"Murder is wrong whether or not it's real life or drawn".

This does not apply to just hentai by the way (and even if it was I still think it would be illogical and ridiculous). Like the author of Live Hina (I think) said, people are arguing that any depiction of a character under 18 years old, in any situation which could be erotic (for example a hot spring which Japanese people regularly bath in naked) can lead to real life child molestation. It is the same as arguing any book, music game or movie that has any violence in it could lead to murder. It's just as absurd and it is just as unscientific.

 

 

It's interesting how most people say this is stupid.... I think not. Certain anime comics do depict child pornography, thus apparently making it vaguely acceptable which is pretty sick.... saying its OK because its not real is a bit ignorant.

See the sections above.

 

 

 

Ok, I'm sorry. I should have worded that better. I guess I should have phrased it in a way less harsh such as "If something offends you, it's better off looking for something you enjoy instead" Eh...I'm operating off little sleep so forgive me.

 

Yes, I don't think anyone would disagree that child porn is a terrible problem that has nothing good to come from it. And if we're being technical, one could classify certain images as CP. The thing is, with artwork, it's not always cut and dry when it comes to age since basically it's all here-say. Art style can sometimes make character look younger if it's in a cute fashion. Story can also have a character that looks 8 be actually hundreds of years old which is well beyond 18+. Some people might not like that, but that's how it is, it's up to interpretation. With an actual kid, you can't magically say things to change reality. A child will be a certain age regardless of what is told. This is why I have the stance of "if it's not real, there isn't a crime here." I myself was abused as kid when I was only 5 and as an adult, I would be pissed if the authorities were placing man power into prosecuting people with drawn images instead of those who actually raped a child. I hope my perspective makes sense at least.

 

I'm sorry if some of that came off as rambling and if I was a rude butt earlier. It just personally bothers me because of my own history. People should ignore drawings because they have no feelings, real children do. That's all i've been trying to get out in this thread. That and the shoddy reporting that'd only cause mass hysteria which is always a terrible thing to do to a gullible public. I agree with you about some of the stuff being easy to get access to, but it's not something super common in the western world to just come across so easy, usually that stuff is viewed online or imported.

Indeed

A translator in Sweden was convicted for "child pornography" a few years ago when they found loli images on his computer. A criminal inspector of the National Bureau of Investigation had this to say about the court case:

I am doubtful of how a conviction would benefit those children who are actually suffering from real abuse which is being documented.

Those children who are victims of documented abuse deserve more than to be put in the same category as these ‘human-like creatures

He also made a few comments on how it's a waste of time and money.

Oh and in case someone was wondering, this was the verdict from the court case:

According to the Supreme Court's ruling, the drawings are pornographic and they do portray children.

However, because the cartoons represent imaginary figures there is no way they could be mistaken for real children.

"The criminalization of possession of the drawings would otherwise exceed what is necessary with regard to the purpose which has led to the restriction on freedom of expression and freedom of information".

[ShogunZ]

I think it's bull. People have no trouble with movies that include killing, rape and extreme gore. Anime is all fake, people should start seeing the difference between reality and entertainment. None of it actually happened and you don't have to watch it. So what's the complaining about?

[PoisonPotato]

CNN strikes again

[theroflcopta]

Do you also agree that violent video games should be banned then? Believe it or not, but people can separate real life and fiction. That's why study after study shows that violent video games, books, movies, music etc do not make people into murderers.

It's just as big of a leap going from shooting someone in a game to shooting someone in real life, as it is going from looking at children being violated in a comic to actually violating a child. Huge leap that no one with a healthy mind would do just out of impulse.

 

 

"Murder is wrong whether or not it's real life or drawn".

This does not apply to just hentai by the way (and even if it was I still think it would be illogical and ridiculous). Like the author of Live Hina (I think) said, people are arguing that any depiction of a character under 18 years old, in any situation which could be erotic (for example a hot spring which Japanese people regularly bath in naked) can lead to real life child molestation. It is the same as arguing any book, music game or movie that has any violence in it could lead to murder. It's just as absurd and it is just as unscientific.

 

 

See the sections above.

 

 

 

Indeed

A translator in Sweden was convicted for "child pornography" a few years ago when they found loli images on his computer. A criminal inspector of the National Bureau of Investigation had this to say about the court case:

He also made a few comments on how it's a waste of time and money.

Oh and in case someone was wondering, this was the verdict from the court case:

I'm not talking about depictions of children bathing. I am talking about drawing of children engaging in sexual intercourse.  I cannot draw a picture of a 5 year old being molested by a 40 year old man and sell it to the public. It is and should be illegal it is simple as that. There is no beating it around the bush and you cannot compare it to murder. it doesn't work that way the world is not black and white and you should take a long look at every situation. 

[Psykomantis00]

I'm not talking about depictions of children bathing. I am talking about drawing of children engaging in sexual intercourse.  I cannot draw a picture of a 5 year old being molested by a 40 year old man and sell it to the public. It is and should be illegal it is simple as that. There is no beating it around the bush and you cannot compare it to murder. it doesn't work that way the world is not black and white and you should take a long look at every situation. 

Drawing on paper and taking a photograph are two different things. Drawing anything should not be illegal. Unless they are using live models of coarse but hentai is just drawings. 

[TheDustyHeatsink]

Ok, I'm sorry. I should have worded that better. I guess I should have phrased it in a way less harsh such as "If something offends you, it's better off looking for something you enjoy instead" Eh...I'm operating off little sleep so forgive me.

 

Yes, I don't think anyone would disagree that child porn is a terrible problem that has nothing good to come from it. And if we're being technical, one could classify certain images as CP. The thing is, with artwork, it's not always cut and dry when it comes to age since basically it's all here-say. Art style can sometimes make character look younger if it's in a cute fashion. Story can also have a character that looks 8 be actually hundreds of years old which is well beyond 18+. Some people might not like that, but that's how it is, it's up to interpretation. With an actual kid, you can't magically say things to change reality. A child will be a certain age regardless of what is told. This is why I have the stance of "if it's not real, there isn't a crime here." I myself was abused as kid when I was only 5 and as an adult, I would be pissed if the authorities were placing man power into prosecuting people with drawn images instead of those who actually raped a child. I hope my perspective makes sense at least.

 

I'm sorry if some of that came off as rambling and if I was a rude butt earlier. It just personally bothers me because of my own history. People should ignore drawings because they have no feelings, real children do. That's all i've been trying to get out in this thread. That and the shoddy reporting that'd only cause mass hysteria which is always a terrible thing to do to a gullible public. I agree with you about some of the stuff being easy to get access to, but it's not something super common in the western world to just come across so easy, usually that stuff is viewed online or imported.

 

Yes I see the point you are getting at, and I completely agree. It's a very fine line as to what people deem as inappropriate, which depends entirely on how you interpret it. I do agree that it is way more important to prioritize time on tracking and prosecuting those who are real criminals. Mainly because the internet will always contain controversial material, and there is nothing really that can be done to remove these minority areas/sites. It's difficult to set out a black and white rule for what should be and should not be allowed on the internet when it comes to art, because it's a form of free expression. That's what art is. I'm sorry to hear what happened during your childhood.

[DigitalHermit]

It's a good thing Touhou isn't anime.

But Dragonball Z is, so they can go screw themselves.

 

But it does have fanmade, fandubbed OVAs... Search for Memories of Phantasm

[Sammael]

in fairness to cnn, one of the anchors probably accidentally googled tentacles and japan.

[DigitalHermit]

We're getting nowhere quickly here... It seems that some are either hell bent on banning anime (imo) because they

a.) don't understand it

b.) happened to stumble upon the dark side of it

c.) are unwilling to accept the culture of others with an open standpoint

d.) have been brainwashed by the media

 

I've made my point and case in my previous posts on the thread...

 

@Mooshi and @MyInnerFred, please PM/tag me if there is any new development (in a different direction other than the same bickering that we've all been doing for the past 11 pages of this thread)... Thanks in advance...

 

Evacuating thread...

[shiftberry]

CNN got lacked of ideas and that's it...

[Mooshi]

We're getting nowhere quickly here... It seems that some are either hell bent on banning anime (imo) because they

a.) don't understand it

b.) happened to stumble upon the dark side of it

c.) are unwilling to accept the culture of others with an open standpoint

d.) have been brainwashed by the media

 

I've made my point and case in my previous posts on the thread...

 

@Mooshi and @MyInnerFred, please PM/tag me if there is any new development (in a different direction other than the same bickering that we've all been doing for the past 11 pages of this thread)... Thanks in advance...

 

Evacuating thread...

 

I think I may do the same. It's basically a standstill of "These are not real children / it's wrong to classify all anime as such" vs "THINK OF THE CHILDREN". I don't think there is much left to be said, I've basically given my opinion thoroughly.

 

In the end, the outcome is the same. This is shoddy reporting on CNNs part, gullible people will be whipped into a mass hysteria, it's wrong to generalize something in which you don't understand, drawings and real people are not the same thing. There's no point to continue arguing with stubborn people. Unless something amazing happens, I think I'll follow suit with abandoning thread.

 

Edit: I'll add this little tidbit. If someone is influenced by something, they are weak minded and deserving of a Darwin award. I've never had the desire to rip someone's head off and I've played Mortal Kombat since I was in elementary school. It's all the blame game where people can't face reality that it's their fault when they do something. Instead, the media loves blaming something it doesn't understand like it's some sort of fetish to feed false information to the public.

[LAwLz]

I'm not talking about depictions of children bathing. I am talking about drawing of children engaging in sexual intercourse.  I cannot draw a picture of a 5 year old being molested by a 40 year old man and sell it to the public. It is and should be illegal it is simple as that. There is no beating it around the bush and you cannot compare it to murder. it doesn't work that way the world is not black and white and you should take a long look at every situation. 

Well you're in Michigan so actually, you can draw and sell that if you want. It is and should be legal. In what way does it differ from murder in games? It is the exact same argument as the anti-violent games/movies/books/music movement uses. Killing people in games cause people to kill in real life therefore they should be banned. Rape in comics cause people to rape in real life therefore they should be banned. Both of them assume that people can not differentiate between what's real and what's fiction, which every healthy person can do just fine.

It is just a work of fiction. Why make fantasy illegal, no matter what it involves?

 

 

Drawing on paper and taking a photograph are two different things. Drawing anything should not be illegal. Unless they are using live models of coarse but hentai is just drawings. 

Indeed, and the act of tracing real children is already illegal since it involves actual/real life child porn. This new law would not stop that from happening since it is already illegal.

[theroflcopta]

Well you're in Michigan so actually, you can draw and sell that if you want. It is and should be legal. In what way does it differ from murder in games? It is the exact same argument as the anti-violent games/movies/books/music movement uses. Killing people in games cause people to kill in real life therefore they should be banned. Rape in comics cause people to rape in real life therefore they should be banned. Both of them assume that people can not differentiate between what's real and what's fiction, which every healthy person can do just fine.

It is just a work of fiction. Why make fantasy illegal, no matter what it involves?

 

 

Indeed, and the act of tracing real children is already illegal since it involves actual/real life child porn. This new law would not stop that from happening since it is already illegal.

The difference being you do not need to have a previous inclination towards any form of killing to enjoy call of duty or halo or w/e but you tend to need to have an inclination towards fucking children to find child pornography appealing. 

[LAwLz]

The difference being you do not need to have a previous inclination towards any form of killing to enjoy call of duty or halo or w/e but you tend to need to have an inclination towards fucking children to find child pornography appealing.

That's completely untrue (if you're talking about hentai).

Real life and anime/manga are two completely different things. It's as absurd as saying people who play mortal kombat have an inclination towards ripping the heads of people.

[Jack.EXE]

I dont even watch that much (seriously, Dragonball & Pokemon) and I feel offended.

[gastew15]

Do you also agree that violent video games should be banned then? Believe it or not, but people can separate real life and fiction. That's why study after study shows that violent video games, books, movies, music etc do not make people into murderers.

It's just as big of a leap going from shooting someone in a game to shooting someone in real life, as it is going from looking at children being violated in a comic to actually violating a child. Huge leap that no one with a healthy mind would do just out of impulse.

While I do believe that many people are able to separate the two I also know that there are many cases in which they don't. I perfect example is a very recent HBO documentary that came out a few days ago, titled Love Child, in which a young couple in South Korea have a new baby girl born into their lives and due to their online game addiction to a game in which you take care of and raise a child they left their actual child in neglect until it starved to death 3 months after extreme improper care. In the court case their defense lawyer claimed they were unware of what they were doing based on the idea that they were online game addicts and could no longer distinguish in-game from reality. The court actually accepted this as a valid reason to be fully accountable for their actions and reduced a 5 year sentence of accidental manslaughter for the two of them to a 1 year sentence for the father and no time for the mother. Now after that you may say, "well it's just one case of such an incident", but several cases similar have arose in South Korea including a woman who gave birth in an online game den and then "disposed" of it, so she wouldn't have to stop playing the game. It's actually to the point where hospitals are now treating those with similar addictions, and the South Korean government is trying to put online addictions with those of gambling, drinking, and tobacco usage, and an estimated 1 million people in S.K. are believed to have a severe online addiction usually in the form of games.  So while it may be in a different area I do believe that completely sane people can in fact forget the differences between what's real and what's not, since even if those end up being extra-ordinary cases and they already had issues or something I highly doubt all 1 million or however many people are addicted were straight bat shit crazy. Not to mention in the end even if no one acts on any of it at the end of the day it's porn plain and simple, and while the regulation in place are mostly for the "real-life" porn since someone actually has to do sexual-activities there still are regulations that drawn or animated mediums should still have to follow just like any "real-life" porn.

 

-Extra side note:

All rape games in Japan officially were banned due to the obvious nature of such a simulator.. *Most notable rape game everyone knows of being Rape-Lay(at least one target appearing underage)

Now while games obviously have more interaction with them giving you more of the feel being "in the drivers-seat", I think it would be hard to argue why games that involve rape and often underage children in them as well are banned, but hentai anime, manga, and other games(not containing rape) that depict young children shouldn't also be banned other than really the difficulty of controlling and the economic loss from such a large industry.

[Art Vandelay]

What's wrong with them saying that there's a ton of anime portraying underage people being raped?

 

I'm inclined to say that this shouldn't be legal. Freedom of expression is more of a guideline than an actual rule.

[cae]

It's a clickbait article, but he presented both sides of the argument at least, so what's the problem?

 

http://a.pomf.se/ikkhya.webm

[LAwLz]

While I do believe that many people are able to separate the two I also know that there are many cases in which they don't. I perfect example is a very recent HBO documentary that came out a few days ago, titled Love Child, in which a young couple in South Korea have a new baby girl born into their lives and due to their online game addiction to a game in which you take care of and raise a child they left their actual child in neglect until it starved to death 3 months after extreme improper care. In the court case their defense lawyer claimed they were unware of what they were doing based on the idea that they were online game addicts and could no longer distinguish in-game from reality. The court actually accepted this as a valid reason to be fully accountable for their actions and reduced a 5 year sentence of accidental manslaughter for the two of them to a 1 year sentence for the father and no time for the mother. Now after that you may say, "well it's just one case of such an incident", but several cases similar have arose in South Korea including a woman who gave birth in an online game den and then "disposed" of it, so she wouldn't have to stop playing the game. It's actually to the point where hospitals are now treating those with similar addictions, and the South Korean government is trying to put online addictions with those of gambling, drinking, and tobacco usage, and an estimated 1 million people in S.K. are believed to have a severe online addiction usually in the form of games.  So while it may be in a different area I do believe that completely sane people can in fact forget the differences between what's real and what's not, since even if those end up being extra-ordinary cases and they already had issues or something I highly doubt all 1 million or however many people are addicted were straight bat shit crazy. Not to mention in the end even if no one acts on any of it at the end of the day it's porn plain and simple, and while the regulation in place are mostly for the "real-life" porn since someone actually has to do sexual-activities there still are regulations that drawn or animated mediums should still have to follow just like any "real-life" porn.

 

-Extra side note:

All rape games in Japan officially were banned due to the obvious nature of such a simulator.. *Most notable rape game everyone knows of being Rape-Lay(at least one target appearing underage)

Now while games obviously have more interaction with them giving you more of the feel being "in the drivers-seat", I think it would be hard to argue why games that involve rape and often underage children in them as well are banned, but hentai anime, manga, and other games(not containing rape) that depict young children shouldn't also be banned other than really the difficulty of controlling and the economic loss from such a large industry.

So should we ban all online games and all FPS games as well? Since you are arguing that people can't tell the difference, that should apply for everything correct?

You don't get to pick and choose like "well I like X so therefore that doesn't affect people, but I dislike Y so therefore I will say it does affect people". If you want to ban loli porn then you also have to ban all other content which includes illegal things such as murder for the same reason.

 

 

It's a clickbait article, but he presented both sides of the argument at least, so what's the problem?

 

http://a.pomf.se/ikkhya.webm

Here is a better version (NOT SAVE FOR WORK). Longer and has sound!

Also, can you really blame me for being a lolicon after seeing that?

[frostin1990]

People still watch CNN??

TMZ>>CNN=FOX=BBC

[gastew15]

So should we ban all online games and all FPS games as well? Since you are arguing that people can't tell the difference, that should apply for everything correct?

You don't get to pick and choose like "well I like X so therefore that doesn't affect people, but I dislike Y so therefore I will say it does affect people". If you want to ban loli porn then you also have to ban all other content which includes illegal things such as murder for the same reason.

Actually though rules and regulations have always been based on picking and choosing, it would be kind of asinine to be like well, we can't make everything bad illegal so let's just make everything legal and say f*&$ it! Going away from all of that even though, what were talking about is not some giant censorship, but instead having a medium follow the same laws and regulations that similar material follows. Not even because me or anyone else didn't want to see something, but because similar content has to follow certain rules and so should this particular medium too. (There's a reason that the spreading/distribution of underage-pornography is an additional charge to actually committing any sexual acts, it's not only to try and reduce people from seeing it and making their own videos, but to stop people from having something to back up their ideas and being like, "well that guy had the same idea so why don't man up and do it too?" What you're doing effectively is lowering the tabbooness of doing an act and therefore increasing the probability of someone going over the breaking point and going from someone who only though of something to actually doing it.) -I wish that people could just handle themselves and make it were some people don't have certain liberties taken away to stop some ass hats from doing something stupid, but that's what having order and government means is to give up some smaller rights to protects other larger rights.

 

-Additional note:

In regard to the video game example, you are perfectly right in that regard that extreme violence is an issue, even if that's not what we're talking about at all here, it does in fact relate to what I was talking about and is an actual issues that needs to have some sort resolution in place. (You also have to take into account how big something is you're taking away versus the gain, and I'm pretty sure the amount of people who play FPS games versus those who want loli-porn is pretty one sided on the scale and rakes in way more money which is in fact a major factor in deciding these things. Do I think it's necessarily fair to target one and not another no, but that is how it works.)

 

EDIT: I don't know how, but I complexity forgot this for my additional note:

One giant difference between FPS games and loli-hentai is that the hentai is exactly what you think the problem is underage porn, but with an FPS even though killing does in fact take place and is a main mechanic in a game it's not actually the core idea of a game. To elaborate, in a game I want to level up, gain more points, and compete against my friends, and while I am killing people that's not why I am playing the game. I mean if there was a game in which the sole purpose to be serial killer or something(Which there have been) then yea it should be banned, rightly so too. I don't know about you, but I don't think anyone watches porn for anything besides being able to watch it and do whatever you do when you do so....

[theroflcopta]

That's completely untrue (if you're talking about hentai).

Real life and anime/manga are two completely different things. It's as absurd as saying people who play mortal kombat have an inclination towards ripping the heads of people.

 

No because there is more to mortal kombat then tearing off peoples heads it's challenging it's competitive. What you are saying is the ONLY reason to play mortal kombat is to rip peoples heads off. the ONLY reason to play call of duty is that you get to kill people. And we both know that's untrue we know there is a deeper level of enjoyment that comes from those games and that pretty much most people can enjoy them without having any previous thoughts of going out of their way to hurt people.

 

But you HAVE to be sexually attracted to and wanting to fuck kids to find loli hentai enjoyable. Because there isn't a deeper enjoyment out of it. It isn't complex it doesn't affect you the way playing a game does and that's why you shouldn't compare the 2. People who play games like call of duty are sharing in a social competitive experience. People who like to jack off to small children being molested by older men need help. It is simple as that.

And i'm sure most people who play those games will love that you are saying that killing people in video games is like fucking children. Really nice comparison : D

[LAwLz]

Actually though rules and regulations have always been based on picking and choosing, it would be kind of asinine to be like well, we can't make everything bad illegal so let's just make everything legal and say f*&$ it! Going away from all of that even though, what were talking about is not some giant censorship, but instead having a medium follow the same laws and regulations that similar material follows. Not even because me or anyone else didn't want to see something, but because similar content has to follow certain rules and so should this particular medium too. (There's a reason that the spreading/distribution of underage-pornography is an additional charge to actually committing any sexual acts, it's not only to try and reduce people from seeing it and making their own videos, but to stop people from having something to back up their ideas and being like, "well that guy had the same idea so why don't man up and do it too?" What you're doing effectively is lowering the tabbooness of doing an act and therefore increasing the probability of someone going over the breaking point and going from someone who only though of something to actually doing it.) -I wish that people could just handle themselves and make it were some people don't have certain liberties taken away to stop some ass hats from doing something stupid, but that's what having order and government means is to give up some smaller rights to protects other larger rights.

Anime/manga lolis and real life children are completely different. You are making the assumption that they are similar but I strongly doubt they are. I mean, the characters do not even look real, and some of the scenarios are very unrealistic (tentacle monsters etc).

Again, it is like saying murdering someone in a game is "similar" to murdering someone in real life, and it should therefore follow the same laws. Do you realize how absurd that sounds? That is exactly what you are saying. Fictional characters should be treated as real life people.

I don't understand why you're even bringing up real life porn since it is a completely different thing, just like killing someone in a game and killing someone in real life are two completely different things.

 

Even your "well laws are always about picking and choosing" doesn't make any sense. I think we can all agree that murder is worse or on par with rape, right? So why not outlaw the bigger threat which more people use? If people really are so easily influenced by media as you say then why focus on something let's say a million people do, instead of the as horrible (or even more horrible) thing hundreds of millions of people do? By your logic, we should ban video games and movies first, then lolicon anime/manga.

  

-Additional note:

In regard to the video game example, you are perfectly right in that regard that extreme violence is an issue, even if that's not what we're talking about at all here, it does in fact relate to what I was talking about and is an actual issues that needs to have some sort resolution in place. (You also have to take into account how big something is you're taking away versus the gain, and I'm pretty sure the amount of people who play FPS games versus those who want loli-porn is pretty one sided on the scale and rakes in way more money which is in fact a major factor in deciding these things. Do I think it's necessarily fair to target one and not another no, but that is how it works.)

Like I said before, if more people are using violent video games then that's even more reason to ban it! Also, you have to remember that there are 0 peer reviewed studies which show a link between violent video games and actual murder, and there is none for loli manga and real life molestation either. The people who end up doing these things (for example killing people because they did so in a video game) are mentally unstable to begin with. Banning whatever they liked will not stop them or anyone else from committing more crimes.

Yahtzee did a poem about this way of thinking. The point is fictional work is not to blame for what mentally unstable people do. If we ban whatever is being blamed nothing will change, and we will just go on to blame and ban something else. It's an endless slippery slope which does no good because the problem isn't being fixed. The problem is the insane people, not the movies/books/videos/games/etc.

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: I don't know how, but I complexity forgot this for my additional note:

One giant difference between FPS games and loli-hentai is that the hentai is exactly what you think the problem is underage porn, but with an FPS even though killing does in fact take place and is a main mechanic in a game it's not actually the core idea of a game. To elaborate, in a game I want to level up, gain more points, and compete against my friends, and while I am killing people that's not why I am playing the game. I mean if there was a game in which the sole purpose to be serial killer or something(Which there have been) then yea it should be banned, rightly so too. I don't know about you, but I don't think anyone watches porn for anything besides being able to watch it and do whatever you do when you do so....

No because there is more to mortal kombat then tearing off peoples heads it's challenging it's competitive. What you are saying is the ONLY reason to play mortal kombat is to rip peoples heads off. the ONLY reason to play call of duty is that you get to kill people. And we both know that's untrue we know there is a deeper level of enjoyment that comes from those games and that pretty much most people can enjoy them without having any previous thoughts of going out of their way to hurt people.

 

But you HAVE to be sexually attracted to and wanting to fuck kids to find loli hentai enjoyable. Because there isn't a deeper enjoyment out of it. It is complex it doesn't affect you the way playing a game does and that's why you shouldn't compare the 2. People who play games like call of duty are sharing in a social competitive experience. People who like to jack off to small children being molested by older men need help. It is simple as that.

And i'm sure most people who play those games will love that you are saying that killing people in video games is like fucking children. Really nice comparison : D

These two are the same argument so I am going to answer both at the same time but address some specific parts individually.

"One giant difference between FPS games and loli-hentai is that the hentai is exactly what you think the problem is underage porn"

Well drawings and fictional characters do not have a real age so it's not really "underage" but for arguments sake let's assume they do.

 

"But you HAVE to be sexually attracted to and wanting to fuck kids to find loli hentai enjoyable"

That is very very untrue and I am very offended by that. Anime/manga and the real world are very, very different. Again, just because I decide to kill someone in a game for fun does not mean I want to kill people in real life. The same goes for loli-hentai.

 

"And i'm sure most people who play those games will love that you are saying that killing people in video games is like fucking children. Really nice comparison : D"

No actually, you're the one saying that. I am saying that there is a huge thick wall separating what someone does in fiction and what someone does in real life. You're the one saying "if you do X in a game then you want to do X in real life as well".

What I said was that it is just as absurd to say loli-hentai and real life child molestation is the same thing, as it is to say killing someone in an FPS game and killing someone in real life is the same.

Stop with the strawmanning.

 

So about the whole "killing isn't the main thing in games!". Sure, it is not the main reason to play games, but you could say the same about loli-hentai. The main objective is not to have see lolis being screwed, the objective is to get off. Seeing lolis screwed is just one way of achieving that, just like killing people in a game is one way of achieving some fun. Try having fun in Mortal Kombat without killing someone. Both of them are just tools for achieving something else.

How about games where you don't have to kill people? A lot of people play Fable and decide to kill the innocent villagers just for fun. It doesn't accomplish anything in the game other than becoming more evil. Ask Slick if he has ever killed an innocent person in Skyrim/Oblivion/Morrowind. By your logic, he did so because he actually want to kill innocent people in real life. By my logic, he did it just because he felt like it and since there is nobody actually getting hurt in a fantasy world, is it alright to do. Remember, we are talking about purely fictional characters here. They have no emotions, they have no age, they have no feelings and they do not exist. They do not need protection like real life people need.

It is a waste of time and money trying to ban something completely harmless when there are real criminals out there. Banning violent video games won't do anything other than distract from the real issues, and the same goes for loli-hentai.

 

If you excuse me, I will play the eroge Shiny Days now, and I think I will focus on Kokoro first ^.^

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I think they have quite a good point.