CNN Accuse Anime as Child Porn

[Trik'Stari]

Let's think in terms of "Objective Morality" here...

 

Say somewhere in the world, it is a custom for a child to lose her virginty to a horse at the age of 8 (this is something I pulled out of my ass and should not exist imo), who would the world be to deny the "culuture" of these people who treat this as "normal"... This is what's happening right now (although less extreme)... A culture is being branded as "immoral" by another culture whose norms differ greatly...

 

In Japan, this is allowed since they already understand that there are no "real cases" that will occur because of the existence of these materials... And yes, go ahead and argue to me several cases... Now we come into the comparison of the numbers of those cases compared to the number of consumers of the material... It should result in a very small ratio of cases to consumers.... In western perspective it's like the "video games cause violence" argument which can go on and on (like this thread right here)...

 

For now, the best solution for the west is to shut the fuck up... If someone in the west is screwerd enough in the mind to replicate this, then it's the problem of that person...

 

And another thing, having this generalization basically denies the individual psychology of the person which can have him be easily affected or not affected by the material....

 

If so, then by your thinking, we should ban porn, ads where women are in their underwear,etc...

 

Let's try to look both ways before we deny one another...

 

This was an argument brought forth through the exposure to various cultures and material.

 

P.S.

I'm just too fucking tired of arguments like this which can't seem to die down (even in university where I had a long debate with my "feminist" professor)...

Also, if you feel offended, feel free... But, I'll still apologize, since your post happened to be the one I spotted when I'm stressed...

Agreed completely.

 

It should be mentioned that there are tribes around the world (can't remember where, and can't remember where I read about this) where twins are considered to be married by birth, because these tribes assume that the twins had sex in utero. While this may seem reprehensible to us, who really has a right to force them to live another way?

 

I for one find homosexuality to be reprehensible, but not for the usual "it's wrong, jesus says so" reasons. I have my right to have that opinion, but that doesn't give me a right to go out and work to ban homosexuality.

 

 

 

Is it me or is this statement highly racist. and I honestly don't see the difference in what you call art and what I call art (and I watch very few anime/manga just respecting the work behind ) and an other thing how raping and killing a mature person is best than raping and killing a kid. 

^this. Killing/raping is killing/raping, regardless of the victim.

Edit: With the exception of EA executives. I think we need to issue a bounty for them, world leaders as well

[LAwLz]

This leads to the issue that even though I'd love to see legislation in place to save the children! *sorry Loli-cons* That it would be a nightmare to actually enforce and would just a massive failure which is the issue, and is also why nothings been done effectively yet not for lack of trying, but for trying to find a solution that will work the best and juggle the economic impacts of any kind of legislation. Yes, CNN actually has a story here, however, shame on CNN for making this seem like all anime and manga which don't depict such items are all just terrible porn set on destroying the world. If they had decided to say something like the animated porn industry has issues or something else like that it would have been a lot better and then they would have a good point without getting a bunch of backlash. I mean really what they are talking about is a real issue, they just covered incorrectly and got all of this instead..

Save which children? Fictional children do not need any protection since you know, they are not real.

This is exactly the same as arguing that the bots in Battlefield 4 need to be protected from harm, and that FPS games should be illegal. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Fictional characters should not be treated like real life people. It's absolutely absurd.

[Trik'Stari]

Save which children? Fictional children do not need any protection since you know, they are not real.

This is exactly the same as arguing that the bots in Battlefield 4 need to be protected from harm, and that FPS games should be illegal. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Fictional characters should not be treated like real life people. It's absolutely absurd.

If that's the case, then I and millions of others are guilty of the fictional murder of millions of innocent bots....and that's not taking into account all the horrible things that go on in skyrim on PC lol

[Mooshi]

I haven't done anything in the valiant defense of anime/manga lol.... all I did was lay out the logical points of this topic and discussed them. 

 

I can assure you everyone that has conversed with you in thorough discussion on the topic is much older than a 12 year old and can think logically. 

 

EDIT: if you plan on leaving then until next time~ I'll be happy to logically converse with you if you ever decide to return. 

 

 

* Same, I don't have a huge collection and not really interested in joining some movement. I value logic over anything else, honestly.

 

* I'm older than 12 and so are others who can think logically on this forum without taking an extreme view point one way or the other, so yes.

 

Logic is a good thing. There are things in life I don't care for, but everyone should be free to do whatever in their own home so long as it isn't hurting someone else. When it spills into hurting someone, that is the person being bad and NOT the vices they are into. Blaming vices is a pitiful scapegoat.

[Trik'Stari]

* Same, I don't have a huge collection and not really interested in joining some movement. I value logic over anything else, honestly.

 

* I'm older than 12 and so are others who can think logically on this forum without taking an extreme view point one way or the other, so yes.

 

Logic is a good thing. There are things in life I don't care for, but everyone should be free to do whatever in their own home so long as it isn't hurting someone else. When it spills into hurting someone, that is the person being bad and NOT the vices they are into. Blaming vices is a pitiful scapegoat.

I've been saying that about "addiction" for years. People keep looking for a way to absolve people of personal responsibility it seems

[Mooshi]

I've been saying that about "addiction" for years. People keep looking for a way to absolve people of personal responsibility it seems

 

I'm sure nearly every murderer and rapist in the modern world drank Coca Cola at some point in their life. This would be like blaming a soda company for those crimes instead of the individual. Instead, we have blame shifted on video games, movies and now anime.

[DigitalHermit]

I'm sure nearly every murderer and rapist in the modern world drank Coca Cola at some point in their life. This would be like blaming a soda company for those crimes instead of the individual. Instead, we have blame shifted on video games, movies and now anime.

 

Not to mention all murderers/rapists (etc.) need water to live.... Maybe we should ban that to kill off all the murderers... /sarcasm

[shujin]

I'm sure nearly every murderer and rapist in the modern world drank Coca Cola at some point in their life. This would be like blaming a soda company for those crimes instead of the individual. Instead, we have blame shifted on video games, movies and now anime.

anyway they don't have shutdowned video game or movie so I'm not to afraid for anime 

[Mooshi]

Not to mention all murderers/rapists (etc.) need water to live.... Maybe we should ban that to kill off all the murderers... /sarcasm

 

Oh right, water the one thing we need most to survive. Water can also lead to drowning..OUTLAW EVERYTHING!

[Trik'Stari]

anyway they don't have shutdowned video game or movie so I'm not to afraid for anime 

They've been trying. Especially in places like California and other socialist taken over states where "we know better than the rest of you serfs" is essentially the motto of the elected officials.

 

 

 

Oh right, water the one thing we need most to survive. Water can also lead to drowning..OUTLAW EVERYTHING!

This is why I don't drink water, only soda and beer. Water is pure evil

[DigitalHermit]

*If you don't want to read my novel here's the quickies:

-CNN has an actual story here as alot of issues are unsolved

-CNN covered it though far too quickly as it's a much more complicated issue than just Japan has evil porn!

-CNN didn't state that this is an issue with Hentai anime & manga and not their normal cousins

 

*ruling: CNN has a story, but due to poor reporting left out many details and did more harm than good

 

*Novel:

Ok, well while I agree really that having depictions of really young children being raped and such in certain hentai manga & anime is definitely an issue, there's a couple things we need to take into consideration first. Firstly you have the cluster fuck that is Japans age of consent and whatnot..(It can range from 13 to 18 depending on the prefecture, 13 is the national limit, but the prefectures limit overrules the national.) So I'm guessing that to cater for as many people as possible, and for international trade, that all characters depicted are "18". The issues is you run into a situation in which it would be hard to prove that any character is under 18, since I could draw a 7 year old and say that she's much older and it's just my art style, or any other excuse. This leads to the issue that even though I'd love to see legislation in place to save the children! *sorry Loli-cons* That it would be a nightmare to actually enforce and would just a massive failure which is the issue, and is also why nothings been done effectively yet not for lack of trying, but for trying to find a solution that will work the best and juggle the economic impacts of any kind of legislation. Yes, CNN actually has a story here, however, shame on CNN for making this seem like all anime and manga which don't depict such items are all just terrible porn set on destroying the world. If they had decided to say something like the animated porn industry has issues or something else like that it would have been a lot better and then they would have a good point without getting a bunch of backlash. I mean really what they are talking about is a real issue, they just covered incorrectly and got all of this instead..

 

"There are 2 types of lolis... Legit Loli and Legal Loli" -Taketatsu Ayana (non-verbatim), on a webradio show...

[Trik'Stari]

"There are 2 types of lolis... Legit Loli and Legal Loli" -Hanazawa Kana (non-verbatim), on a webradio show...

Has anyone not pointed out that not all Lolicon concerns rape and or violence? Some of it concerns romance as well. I only know this because some hentai websites have everything in thumbnail galleries and you can't really filter out every last thing that you don't want to see.

[shujin]

They've been trying. Especially in places like California and other socialist taken over states where "we know better than the rest of you serfs" is essentially the motto of the elected officials.

 

 

 

This is why I don't drink water, only soda and beer. Water is pure evil

Oh shit I wasn't knowing they were that stupid. As someone that drink only water I can tell you that it is super evil. 

[Jaybird]

Do a Pokemon count as pr0n?

that probably counts as beastality. <- how ever the heck you spell that. 

[Mooshi]

"There are 2 types of lolis... Legit Loli and Legal Loli" -Taketatsu Ayana (non-verbatim), on a

...

 

Lets not forget the characters that are not really that underaged that look loli because of art style.

 

 

Konata - 17

 

Lucky Star is probably one of the most harmless animes in existence, but thanks to CNN, it will be lumped in the same light as hardcore lolicon.

[shujin]

Has anyone not pointed out that not all Lolicon concerns rape and or violence? Some of it concerns romance as well. I only know this because some hentai websites have everything in thumbnail galleries and you can't really filter out every last thing that you don't want to see.

romance is great when it's well done... which is not the case here 

[DigitalHermit]

Lets not forget the characters that are not really that underaged that look loli because of art style.

 

 

Konata - 17

 

I forgot that loli teacher (23) from To Aru Majutsu no Index, loli mother (43), those lolis from Touhou (from 60 to 500+)

[Trik'Stari]

romance is great when it's well done... which is not the case here 

Well, depends on the lolicon I would guess, just like any other anime or hentai. That's really just a readers opinion type thing, the point was that not all hentai/lolicon/whatever is RAPE RAPE RAPE KILL KILL KILL lol

[Puddleuk]

Some anime could be seen as child porn, but then the counter argument could call it an art form. I'm not really bothered, since no children are being harmed or abused.

[Trik'Stari]

When you really break it down, if everyone outright admitted what kind of porn they liked, we'd all likely never speak to each other again, and I'm talking about the entire population of the planet.

 

We're all freaks in our own way. I happen to enjoy the occasional bit of hentai. I find fat chick porn to be freakish and nasty, same with gangbang and gloryhole porn. And I find most people that have had multiple sexual partners over their lifetimes to be gross as well, just my point of view.

 

Edit: Thread deathstroke?

[Legion]

 

Okay okay, I've spent a little bit of time with the article. I only bothered to watch the first minute and a half of the video.

 

Let's get this out of the way right now.

 

You (yes, you OP) and the guy in the video are sensationalizing the article.

I don't recall anywhere in the article it mentioning that general anime/manga is child porn. The article from CNN is saying why explicit anime/manga featuring "child porn" should be banned.

 

With actual child pornography, there are real people being abused there. It's sick, gross, and 100% illegal. With anime/manga, there are no real people being hurt, so *technically* it is perfectly legal, but man is it messed up. I personally don't agree with anime/manga makers making "child porn" (I know it technically isn't, but I'm not sure what else to call it right now), but since no real people are being abused/shown in the anime/manga, then it's legally acceptable to be sold.

 

 

So what do I say about this? I say it's gross, but it's perfectly legal to sell. It's just another piece of adult content except it features animated characters doing explicit things. It would probably be a better move to put all of these adult anime/manga in their own anime/manga shop and away from the SFW stuff. Not saying that there aren't already, but there should be a clean cut between the SFW side of the store and the NSFW side of the store.

 

Even if you have a banner that says "18+ only", do you really think people under 18 will follow that rule? No. If adult anime/manga are contained in their own shop, then it would be easier to filter who all comes into the store. That's how I see it anyways.

 

TL;DR version

-OP/video is sensationalizing the article

-Animated/drawn explicit images of children is gross (IMO), but perfectly legal, since nobody IRL is being abused/shown/hurt

 

As a side note, if anybody could explain the last part of the article, that would be great, because it literally doesn't make any sense to me.

 

 

Have a starfish as a thank you for such a great post.

[shujin]

When you really break it down, if everyone outright admitted what kind of porn they liked, we'd all likely never speak to each other again, and I'm talking about the entire population of the planet.

 

We're all freaks in our own way. I happen to enjoy the occasional bit of hentai. I find fat chick porn to be freakish and nasty, same with gangbang and gloryhole porn. And I find most people that have had multiple sexual partners over their lifetimes to be gross as well, just my point of view.

In the same way ''normal'' porn disgust me but I find tentacule porn really legit. If we all agree that we are all freak in a way there is no problem. it's like if everyone as a third eye it will be considered normal

[Suika]

This is why I don't drink water, only soda and beer. Water is pure evil

I don't drink water because that's where fish have sex!

 

I forgot that loli teacher (23) from To Aru Majutsu no Index, loli mother (43), those lolis from Touhou (from 60 to 500+)

Suwako is a god that happens to be known as one of the oldest at more than 2,300 years, Miko is odd being a reincarnation but still hundreds of years old in her current incarnation, though technically she (he?) was born 1,500-1,700 years ago.

 

Gensokyo is a magical world where female aging doesn't actually happen.

[Trik'Stari]

In the same way ''normal'' porn disgust me but I find tentacule porn really legit. If we all agree that we are all freak in a way there is no problem. it's like if everyone as a third eye it will be considered normal

Lol normal porn just gets boring after a while, hentai is always fresh and new.

[HeathCliff]

 

@0:31 My reaction to this.