AMD is really falling behind NVIDIA

[Hieb]

But that doesn´t make the chip itself a bad chip. What bothers me really about the R9 290 series isn´t the Hawaii chip (I use water cooling anyways), it´s the fact that you´ve got 4 GB VRAM around this nice chip and AMD really dared to put cheap ass VRAM on that, that even the hand picked samples that they sent to the youtubers were bad overclockers... not to mention how many people struggled with blackscreen because of these bad RAM.

 

Don't the manufacturers control which VRAM goes on the chip? I seem to recall Asus catching a lot of flak for using crap quality VRAM on their R9 290 and 290X cards.

[SlaughterSmurf]

Don't the manufacturers control which VRAM goes on the chip? I seem to recall Asus catching a lot of flak for using crap quality VRAM on their R9 290 and 290X cards.

No Asus gets a lot of flak for having horrible VRM cooling because they didn't bother to change the DCUII cooler to fit the 290 and 290x very well.

[Hieb]

No Asus gets a lot of flak for having horrible VRM cooling because they didn't bother to change the DCUII cooler to fit the 290 and 290x very well.

gotcha

[Tainted]

I like(and use) them all nvidia & amd gpu's, also intel & amd cpu's. All have pro's & con's and choice is always good for the consumer. Yes intel has better architecture, power efficiency, and performance than amd "duh-hoy". 22nm (customized LGA socket) vs 32nm (am3+standardized socket) = smaller always wins. Intel is like the European sports car & amd is that big inefficient American muscle car.That's why you have to oc amd cpu's so much to get on-par performance. But cost is a lot less & more core's (single vs mutli threading).

On gpu's they seem to both have feature's & it depends on what you want & like (gravy on the meat).  I was all excited about about shadowplay & Game DVR(raptr). But I found that dxtory & MSI ab/rivertuner's(predator) to have more options & be more efficienct than both amd & nvidia programs. They both have decent drivers, haven't had a bad amd driver issue in 3 years (they got a lot better when amd bought ATI=driver dark ages) compared to nvidia 10 years since a bad driver. Team green always come's out ahead a little in performance & team red always wins the price war. Game company's/developers have more impact on which gpu's your game runs better on & their usually bought by either team green or red.

 

At the end of the day you just try to find a balance of perfomance/power/efficiency/price

& live with your choice . Or you could just go online act like one of those god aweful console kids :angry:  & attack everyone else for being WRONG!!!! lol

[Ezekiel]

I'm really excited about the future of APU's if AMD Play their Cards right and manage to release a low power/heat/cost APU for the mid range, then they have made it. Even their newest APU is realyy awesome for basic gaming.Combine that with the future mantle got and I see something really awesome.

[maizenblue]

Latest rumors are the much hyped Nvidia GTX 880 will be LESS powerful than the 780 TI and might even barely surpass the 780, although it'll be cheaper than both. So at least in terms of top end GPUs, AMD might soon be top dog again with its next gen cards, at least for a while.

[Tainted]

Latest rumors are the much hyped Nvidia GTX 880 will be LESS powerful than the 780 TI and might even barely surpass the 780, although it'll be cheaper than both. So at least in terms of top end GPUs, AMD might soon be top dog again with its next gen cards, at least for a while.

I honestly just want better chips from both company's. We've been on 28nm for awhile now (Q1 2012). It's looking like 3xx & 8xx will be 28nm, that's 3 generations(hd7xxx, 2xx, 3xx,gtx6xx,7xx,8xx) on that size die. I m gonna hold out till smaller chips come out 16-20nm. That'll be the real next gen gpu's, that'll leave console's in the dust.

[EXVAS]

:huh:  thought  AMD with its 295x2 is the fastest card in the world, to date. if i am mistaken, tell me please, thank you, have a great day!

[bry.yyyy]

well amd win on graphics card war even i'm NVIDIA Fan past time ago

[bry.yyyy]

with R7 And R9 Series

[Ate]

In my country, i can almost get 2 r9 290 with the price of an 780ti. Nvidia cards are too expensive

[ivhyn]

console kids

Those exist also in the PC community.

[LOST TALE]

:huh:  thought  AMD with its 295x2 is the fastest card in the world, to date. if i am mistaken, tell me please, thank you, have a great day!

History:    You are right

Hd6990 > GTX 590

Hd7990 > Gtx 690

R9 290x > gtx 780

R9 295x > gtx 780Ti

 

I guess it's better brainwashing on Nvidia side.

AMD has always had the most powerful consumer grade GPU on Earth, since I joined back PC gaming.

I don't care anyway. Whatever makes them money so they cna drive the industry forward from Ndracula.

[Najuno]

History:    You are right

Hd6990 > GTX 590

Hd7990 > Gtx 690

R9 290x > gtx 780

R9 295x > gtx 780Ti

 

I guess it's better brainwashing on Nvidia side.

AMD has always had the most powerful consumer grade GPU on Earth, since I joined back PC gaming.

I don't care anyway. Whatever makes them money so they cna drive the industry forward from Ndracula.

 

HMPF why...

 

Your comparision a wrong...

Hd6990 > GTX 590

Hd7990 > Gtx 690 HD7990 was a horrible card and the GTX 690 was cooler quieter even though its raw power wasn´t better.

R9 290x > gtx 780    that must be the R9 290 > GTX 780

R9 295x > gtx 780Ti and you really compare a chip that´s not even on the market with a another, I lol´ed hard! That must be R9 290X vs GTX 780 Ti and BTW the GTX 780 Ti is the faster card .

[Trik'Stari]

1. Mantle is crap, support may be "coming" but I've yet to see it actually arrive.

2. AMD is the hardware behind Console's right now, which is more than enough reason to hate them in my opinion

3. Freesync is a troll, and 2 years away, so basically never.

4. AMD does have good ideas, but by the time they start to get one out, they have another good idea and abandon the other one in favor of the new one. The corporate equivalent of ADHD.

5. Better "Price for performance" means your going to lose out somewhere in the quality, and or support department, you get what you pay for. Not to mention that their prices are only low right now because of the coin mining crash, not by their choice. If you think they took a hit to their profit margin to be able to beat their competitions prices, you're insane.

 

And having a more "powerful" gpu means absolutely fuck all if you don't have the support to back it up. (metaphor) Take a Bugatti Veyron and a Nissan GTR Alpha 12. The GTR Alpha 12 has around 1500 horsepower and costs about a 5th of the price of the veyron, yet the veyron is still faster overall. Why? Because you get what you pay for, and all the power in the world means nothing if you can't put it to the road. Same applies for GPU's, you can have all the hz and memory and whatever else you want, but if you don't have the driver support to back it up and play the games, then it means nothing.

[kev507]

I think Nvidia has an equivalent called HairWorks.

Also technically AMD has Bullet Physics to answer PhysX, but like PhysX, it's rarely used in games

[Legion]

2. AMD is the hardware behind Console's right now, which is more than enough reason to hate them in my opinion

 

Nvidia worked out too expensive so they went with AMD.

Hating AMD for Consoles is like hating Samsung for iPhones and while I'm fine if people want to join me in boycotting Samsung at least have a good reason for it.

They provide parts they inform manufacturers on their limits and marketing for each company does the rest.

 

If you hate consoles however wouldn't you be thankfully this looks to be the end of them.

[Guest]

1. Mantle is crap, support may be "coming" but I've yet to see it actually arrive.

2. AMD is the hardware behind Console's right now, which is more than enough reason to hate them in my opinion

3. Freesync is a troll, and 2 years away, so basically never.

4. AMD does have good ideas, but by the time they start to get one out, they have another good idea and abandon the other one in favor of the new one. The corporate equivalent of ADHD.

5. Better "Price for performance" means your going to lose out somewhere in the quality, and or support department, you get what you pay for. Not to mention that their prices are only low right now because of the coin mining crash, not by their choice. If you think they took a hit to their profit margin to be able to beat their competitions prices, you're insane.

 

And having a more "powerful" gpu means absolutely fuck all if you don't have the support to back it up. (metaphor) Take a Bugatti Veyron and a Nissan GTR Alpha 12. The GTR Alpha 12 has around 1500 horsepower and costs about a 5th of the price of the veyron, yet the veyron is still faster overall. Why? Because you get what you pay for, and all the power in the world means nothing if you can't put it to the road. Same applies for GPU's, you can have all the hz and memory and whatever else you want, but if you don't have the driver support to back it up and play the games, then it means nothing.

1. In my experience actually using it in BF4 it does work quite well, and significantly reduces CPU overhead just as it claims to. There are already a decent amount of upcoming games slated to have mantle support. Its a brand new API that is still in beta, who knows how much it will be adopted in the end, but at this point the people going 'mantle suxxxx no games have it' are just spewing speculative nonsense. Even when new directx versions come out we don't usually see tons of games adopt it right away... There are probably more games that support mantle already than directx 11.2...

 

2. Are you trolling? AMD is not the reason behind the next generation console's weak hardware. Linus has said this several times on the WAN show: the reason behind the disappointing hardware in these consoles is that MS and Sony cheaped out and refused to take a loss on the hardware like they've done in previous generations. We all know AMD has far more powerful hardware available than what's in the consoles, MS and Sony could have easily gotten a more powerful solution from AMD.

 

3. more speculative nonsense.

 

5. Prices were low before the mining crash. I got my r9 280x for 299 when they were first released before the miners bought them all up, it was excellent price/performance.

 

 

6. AMD's drivers work fine, you are just flinging FUD.

[Trik'Stari]

1. In my experience actually using it in BF4 it does work quite well, and significantly reduces CPU overhead just as it claims to. There are already a decent amount of upcoming games slated to have mantle support. Its a brand new API that is still in beta, who knows how much it will be adopted in the end, but at this point the people going 'mantle suxxxx no games have it' are just spewing speculative nonsense. Even when new directx versions come out we don't usually see tons of games adopt it right away... There are probably more games that support mantle already than directx 11.2...

 

2. Are you trolling? AMD is not the reason behind the next generation console's weak hardware. Linus has said this quite several times on the WAN show: the reason behind the disappointing hardware in these consoles is that MS and Sony cheaped out and refused to take a loss on the hardware like they've done in previous generations. We all know AMD has far more powerful hardware available than what's in the consoles, MS and Sony could have easily gotten a more powerful solution from AMD.

 

3. more speculative nonsense.

 

5. Prices were low before the linecoin crash. I got my r9 280x for 299 when they were first released before the liteminers bought them all up, it was excellent price/performance.

 

 

6. AMD's drivers work fine, you are just flinging FUD.

Mantle "support" is where it was when I checked it out a year ago. Same games, same "support is coming" line. Support isn't "confirmed" until it actually exists. And Linus himself said Freesync is 2 years away from market. I blame AMD for consoles because they are an accessory to bilking millions of gamers for millions of dollars with lies and deceit. They know what their hardware is capable of, they also know how Sony and MS advertise, by selling to them they are essentially culpable of Sony and MS's bullshit. Granted they are a company and want to make money, they still could have said "no, your going to advertise that as something it's not, either buy better hardware or get what you want somewhere else" and then Sony and MS would have been fucked and had no choice.

[kev507]

I think AMD wins in price/performance. I just picked up 2 MSI r9 290X's for $400 each on sale. They're maybe 90-95% as fast as a 780ti and cost a hell of a lot less. At this point the major advantage I see with Nvidia is GameStream and maybe MAYBE driver support. Although Nvidia isn't perfect there either. A few months after Rome II Total war came out, my fps on a 690 jumped from ~30 to ~100 because the original SLI profile was so broken. Also I think Nvidia has a huge advantage when it comes to reference cards, which is important for some people. Many cases on the market are designed with blower style GPU's in mind and manufactures specifically recommend them for cases like the Prodigy M if you want dual GPU's, so if you want dual GPU power in certain cases, AMD really isn't an option

[Guest]

Mantle "support" is where it was when I checked it out a year ago. Same games, same "support is coming" line. Support isn't "confirmed" until it actually exists. And Linus himself said Freesync is 2 years away from market. I blame AMD for consoles because they are an accessory to bilking millions of gamers for millions of dollars with lies and deceit. They know what their hardware is capable of, they also know how Sony and MS advertise, by selling to them they are essentially culpable of Sony and MS's bullshit. Granted they are a company and want to make money, they still could have said "no, your going to advertise that as something it's not, either buy better hardware or get what you want somewhere else" and then Sony and MS would have been fucked and had no choice.

 

1. Mantle hasn't been around for very long at all, its not even out of beta yet. Did you just expect it to magically appear in every game? As I mentioned before, there's already been upcoming games with mantle support confirmed, we will just have to wait and see. When DX12 is released do you also expect that to immediately appear in every game too? Because that's certainly not happened with DX10 and 11 either. Running around screaming mantle suxxx because these games aren't out yet is just pointless and stupid.

 

 

2. Are you kidding me? You are being completely absurd. Sony and MS asked AMD for the hardware and AMD gave it to them. AMD is not responsible for any 'lies and deceit'. Stop trying to fling blame around where it doesn't belong. If you are disappointed with the new consoles, you know who to blame. MS and Sony.

[NeatSquidYT]

The reason I really don't like AMD is that they don't innovate as much as nVidia.

[Bloodkil933]

The reason I really don't like AMD is that they don't innovate as much as nVidia.

Nvidia doesn't innovate any more than AMD lol.

[NeatSquidYT]

Nvidia doesn't innovate any more than AMD lol.

Shield, ShadowPlay. What have AMD done apart from copy nVidia?

P.S. Mantle dosent count, it's not widely used, nor does True Audio.

[Bloodkil933]

Shield, ShadowPlay. What have AMD done apart from copy nVidia?

P.S. Mantle dosent count, it's not widely used, nor does True Audio.

How have AMD copied Nvidia in any way?

 

Yeah, because Gsync is "widely used", and Mantle is still in BETA, of course it's not widely used. Was DX11 widely used when it first came out? No.

 

Fanboy rant more pls.