AMD is really falling behind NVIDIA

[totjup5]

Purely on performance, no. But in features you are right. They also have a genius strategy with shield. Since I bought a shield I'm locked into the nvidia ecosystem for my next upgrade.

[Real_PhillBert]

Until AMD get's their thermals under control I will continue to be a member of the green team.

[I/O]

Purely on performance, no. But in features you are right. They also have a genius strategy with shield. Since I bought a shield I'm locked into the nvidia ecosystem for my next upgrade.

Just like Apple LOL and AMD has lots of features to but less gimmicks.

[I/O]

Until AMD get's their thermals under control I will continue to be a member of the green team.

They do the Tri x is 10c cooler than reference nvidia and on par with the top end most expensive aftermarket nvidia 780.

[Real_PhillBert]

They do the Tri x is 10c cooler than reference nvidia and on par with the top end most expensive aftermarket nvidia 780.

Thermodynamics says otherwise. Even if the GPU is a lower temp, that heat is still being produced and released into the case. Nvidia counterparts do not release as much waste heat as the AMD cards do. There is no arguing this. Its physics.

 

Temps of the GPU core are only a small factor.

[Briggsy]

Until AMD get's their thermals under control I will continue to be a member of the green team.

 

I would hold my breath on that statement until the gtx 980 is released. Nvidia made Kepler half as dense as Fermi, and thermals were greatly improved (Fermi high end cards were furnaces). the Maxwell architecture is twice as dense as fermi, and although on the 750Ti the die is small enough to cool quickly, I am curious to find out how the big dog Maxwell cards cool. efficiency and how well you can pull the heat from the Core aren't locked together. just look as Hawaii. huge performance improvement over tahiti, same power draw but hot hot hot because of density!

 

Also, holy thread necro batman. 

[Real_PhillBert]

I would hold my breath on that statement until the gtx 980 is released. Nvidia made Kepler half as dense as Fermi, and thermals were greatly improved (Fermi high end cards were furnaces). the Maxwell architecture is twice as dense as fermi, and although on the 750Ti the die is small enough to cool quickly, I am curious to find out how the big dog Maxwell cards cool. efficiency and how well you can pull the heat from the Core aren't locked together. just look as Hawaii. huge performance improvement over tahiti, same power draw but hot hot hot because of density!

 

Also, holy thread necro batman. 

Oh I am very familiar with the fermi cards... I still use one...

 

But I agree, I havent seen a wattage draw on them yet so we will have to wait and see.

[Bullzi]

Not a fanboy buttt

http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/amd_radeon_r9_390x_cooler_leaked/1

[I/O]

Thermodynamics says otherwise. Even if the GPU is a lower temp, that heat is still being produced and released into the case. Nvidia counterparts do not release as much waste heat as the AMD cards do. There is no arguing this. Its physics.

 

Temps of the GPU core are only a small factor.

Not enough to make difference. Your trying to nit pick now is all.

[Real_PhillBert]

Not enough to make difference. Your trying to nit pick now is all.

Nitpicking with facts... Yeah I guess I am.

[I/O]

Nitpicking with facts... Yeah I guess I am.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7601/sapphire-radeon-r9-290-review-our-first-custom-cooled-290/4 10c cooler than 780 seems cool enough to me.

[Real_PhillBert]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7601/sapphire-radeon-r9-290-review-our-first-custom-cooled-290/4 10c cooler than 780 seems cool enough to me.

Lol you don't get it. I am more concerned about the amount of heat the card is producing. This (minus a little bit) is the amount of power the card is consuming since it is doing no work, all of the energy being pumped in needs to be dissipated. If you look at the article you posted, on full load of furmark the very cards you are claiming to be superior are using between 50 and 100 watts more power than the 780. What does this mean? 50-100 additional watts of heat energy that are being released into the case. THIS IS PHYSICS AND IS INESCAPABLE. 

 

In this comparison the 780 will produce SIGNIFICANTLY less heat energy, and therefore lower in case temps. Do you have an air cooler on your CPU? AIO that pulls air from inside the case? Cooling the rest of your components in a hotter environment is not an ideal situation.

 

Thank you for proving my point with your own charts.

[I/O]

Lol you don't get it. I am more concerned about the amount of heat the card is producing. This (minus a little bit) is the amount of power the card is consuming since it is doing no work, all of the energy being pumped in needs to be dissipated. If you look at the article you posted, on full load of furmark the very cards you are claiming to be superior are using between 50 and 100 watts more power than the 780. What does this mean? 50-100 additional watts of heat energy that are being released into the case. THIS IS PHYSICS AND IS INESCAPABLE. 

 

In this comparison the 780 will produce SIGNIFICANTLY less heat energy, and therefore lower in case temps. Do you have an air cooler on your CPU? AIO that pulls air from inside the case? Cooling the rest of your components in a hotter environment is not an ideal situation.

 

Thank you for proving my point with your own charts.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7601/sapphire-radeon-r9-290-review-our-first-custom-cooled-290/4 In that case the 780ti is about on par in Crysis 3. Once again you are nit picking.

[kungfury7]

How the fuck is dat??? I'm an Nvidia Fan Bitch but really, this motherfucker hasn't released anything in almost two years! If anything Nvidia is like a major porn star who banged a bitch hard all the time, but lately his wang is always flaccid. But hey, dat's about to change soon tho... hopefully, at least in my wettest of GPU dreams anyways.

[Real_PhillBert]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7601/sapphire-radeon-r9-290-review-our-first-custom-cooled-290/4 In that case the 780ti is about on par in Crysis 3. Once again you are nit picking.

Way to change the goal post, a minute ago we were discussing 780's lol

 

An up to %25 reduction in heat output is hardly a "nitpick." 

 

Your an AMD fan, that's fine, but dont go around saying the amd cards to not produce more heat energy. Regardless of what you may think I am not an AMD hater, I have used more than a few AMD products in the past, and been very happy with them. 

 

I will concede that the equivalent Nvidia cards are more expensive, but they (IMHO) provide a better overall package.

[Sintezza]

AMD cards do not realy use that much more power then theire Nvidia equilivants.

I dont know why people allways bring power ussage as a point of the discussion. cause its totaly irrellevant.

Power consumption is depending on allot more then just the GPU, so please stop about this crap

 

For example if i have a 290 with a 8+6 pin power connector and a 780 with a 8+6 power connector.

Then both cards can never use more then 300W.

And the power ussage will be very equaly, if both cards are on full load.

 

So please just stop about the nonsense

[I/O]

Way to change the goal post, a minute ago we were discussing 780's lol

 

An up to %25 reduction in heat output is hardly a "nitpick." 

 

Your an AMD fan, that's fine, but dont go around saying the amd cards to not produce more heat energy. Regardless of what you may think I am not an AMD hater, I have used more than a few AMD products in the past, and been very happy with them. 

 

I will concede that the equivalent Nvidia cards are more expensive, but they (IMHO) provide a better overall package.

Some people don't care about heat output. I like it as it's an indicator of high performance. More heat, more power consumption, more performance ... "it's simple dynamics"

[ContemplatingBeluga]

Alright guys. Time has come for me to upgrade. R9 280 or GTX 760. The 760 costs 10 dollars more here.

[I/O]

AMD cards do not realy use that much more power then theire Nvidia equilivants.

I dont know why people allways bring power ussage as a point of the discussion. cause its totaly inrellevant.

Cause power consumption is depending on allot more then just the GPU, so please stop about this crap

Ya it's not apples to apples at all.

[ICantThinkOfAnyGoodName]

Some people don't care about heat output. I like it as it's an indicator of high performance. More heat, more power consumption, more performance ... "it's simple dynamics"

More power consumption does NOT mean more performance. Just as an example, the GTX 650 Ti uses 110w power and delivered less performance than the 750 Ti, which uses just 60w power. It is all about the architecture the cards are based on. And in terms of performance per power and performance per heat output, Nvidia's current architecures are superior to AMDs.

[I/O]

More power consumption does NOT mean more performance. Just as an example, the GTX 650 Ti uses 110w power and delivered less performance than the 750 Ti, which uses just 60w power. It is all about the architecture the cards are based on. And in terms of performance per power and performance per heat output, Nvidia's current architecures are superior to AMDs.

That's not an apples to apples comparison. You need to compare Maxwell to Maxwell not GK 106 to maxwell. I don't care about power consumption just performance. What are you on battery power ?

[I/O]

hope your fire insurance policy is uptodate amd owners 

Back in the day my friends spewed that nonsense you guy's sopeak so I always went nvidia. Then when I actually took a chance and went Radeon then ATi I found out that for allot less money I got better performance than my friends with their troll GTX 280s. Moral of the story don't listen to fanboy's and hype rhetoric and never buy into the gimmicks like physx.

[ComradeHX]

Way to change the goal post, a minute ago we were discussing 780's lol

 

An up to %25 reduction in heat output is hardly a "nitpick." 

 

Your an AMD fan, that's fine, but dont go around saying the amd cards to not produce more heat energy. Regardless of what you may think I am not an AMD hater, I have used more than a few AMD products in the past, and been very happy with them. 

 

I will concede that the equivalent Nvidia cards are more expensive, but they (IMHO) provide a better overall package.

Yet you are still arguing about relatively minor concerns such as case temp; which are much more easily solved than GPU temp problem.

[Sintezza]

heat output is irrelevant aswell

[Sintezza]

heat output is irrelevant aswell

 

oops dual post.