zen 4 AMD Ryzen 7 7800X with 10c/20t and Ryzen 3 7300X with 4c/8t have been spotted

[BiG StroOnZ]

Summary

An AMD Ryzen 7 7800X with 10 cores and 20 threads and Ryzen 3 7300X with 4 cores and 8 threads have been discovered in a Geekbench submission. The 7800X processor scored 2097, and 16163 points in single and multi-core Geekbench tests. In the same test, Ryzen 3 7300X scores 1984 and 7682 points.

 

 

 

 

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Given that AMD doesn't have 10-core "Zen 4" CCDs, the 7800X is a dual-CCD chip, like the Ryzen 9 7900X. It has two CCDs with 5 cores, each; and more importantly, 32 MB of L3 cache, each. The engineering sample of this processor is configured with a base frequency of 4.50 GHz, and 5.40 GHz boost. AMD would likely replace the 7700X at its $399 price-point with the new 10-core 7800X, and lower the 7700X to a price-point closer to that of the i5-13600K.

 

The Ryzen 3 7300X has a single "Zen 4" CCD, with four cores disabled, but with the L3 cache left untouched at 32 MB. The chip has an impressive 4.50 GHz base frequency, and 5.00 GHz boost. The specs on paper should make the 7300X a formidable rival to the likes of the Core i3-12300, especially given that Intel is expected to rebrand "Alder Lake" into the 13th Gen for the lower end of its product-stack.

 

My thoughts

AMD is finally going to compete in the entry level to midrange area with these parts, and I feel that is necessary to help Zen 4 sales thrive. The 10c/20t 7800X should replace the price point of the 7700X and will offer competitive performance against Intel's 13700k. While the 4c/8t 7300X could be priced appropriately to compete with the Core i3. Performance wise, the Ryzen 7 7800X is halfway between the 7700X and 7900X; while the 7300X basically matches the Ryzen 5 5600X in multithreaded performance. According to TweakTown these parts will be released in the coming weeks, supposedly after RDNA 3 launches. Also, worth mentioning is the 7700 non-X, but that might be an OEM only part (hopefully it isn't). 

 

Sources

https://www.techpowerup.com/300326/amd-wakes-up-to-intels-multi-threaded-advantage-ryzen-7-7800x-a-10-core-20-thread-processor-also-readies-ryzen-3-7300x

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/89152/amd-ryzen-3-7300x-cpu-teased-4-cores-and-8-threads-at-up-to-5-0ghz/index.html

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7-7800x-with-10-cores-and-ryzen-3-7300x-with-4-cores-have-been-spotted

https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/18237412

https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/18237804

[jaslion]

Am5 needs all the help it can get. I still don't think this will give it a big boost but it's a step in the right direction for zen5 in the future when everything goes ddr5.

 

Currently the new platform is just far too expensive and doesn't offer anything over the cheaper competition or an older platform that would make most users want to get it. It has it's niche usecases but thats about it for relivancy rn.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

7300x looks good on paper but then you look at the mobo and ram costs, 5600 is still cheaper with a used b3/450 or x3/470 board

 

7800x eh not too sure about that one, 13700k would still win in multicore by sheer amount of cores and thats not considering cheap b660/h670/z690 + ddr4 which may still make the 13700k cheaper than the 7800x

[porina]

While the 10 core is a gap filler, I'm not sure it makes much sense. 8 cores has the advantage of single CCD. If you need more cores than that, why not a lot more cores? The quad? Definitely need the lower tier mobos to come out for that one.

 

Have to wonder if this is done for competitive reasons or manufacturing. We haven't had a 5 core CCD precedence before have we? 8, 6, 4. I guess a 5 core by itself is stretching it a bit thin but 10 sounds better.

 

Also mildly amused by 7800X CPU name since I owned one in 2017. Held several records on hwbot with it although they've been knocked off now.

 

Edit: random thought on my part - could AMD troll 7700X3D holdouts? If they're moving two CCDs lower in the range, they could do a 4+4 configuration which would have double the cache of 7700X and increased usage potential of DDR5 bandwidths, at the cost of split CCDs for those workloads that may be more sensitive to it.

[starsmine]

1 hour ago, porina said:

While the 10 core is a gap filler, I'm not sure it makes much sense. 8 cores has the advantage of single CCD. If you need more cores than that, why not a lot more cores? The quad? Definitely need the lower tier mobos to come out for that one.

 

Have to wonder if this is done for competitive reasons or manufacturing. We haven't had a 5 core CCD precedence before have we? 8, 6, 4. I guess a 5 core by itself is stretching it a bit thin but 10 sounds better.

 

Also mildly amused by 7800X CPU name since I owned one in 2017. Held several records on hwbot with it although they've been knocked off now.

 

Edit: random thought on my part - could AMD troll 7700X3D holdouts? If they're moving two CCDs lower in the range, they could do a 4+4 configuration which would have double the cache of 7700X and increased usage potential of DDR5 bandwidths, at the cost of split CCDs for those workloads that may be more sensitive to it.

7800x has twice the L3 for what its worth, over the single ccd 7700x. so it may be very advantageous in specific workloads.

[porina]

2 minutes ago, starsmine said:

7800x has twice the L3 for what its worth, over the single ccd 7700x. so it may be very advantageous in specific workloads.

I see it potentially providing value if most of the following are met:

• Workload is not adversely by having two CCD instead of 1
• Workload benefits from 10 cores vs 8
• Workload benefits from more overall cache from 2 CCD vs 1

Thing is, the 12 core already exists with the same considerations. Would you want to lose 2 cores for a lower price? Maybe you have a workload that doesn't scale with cores but can still use the cache? Of course, any value judgement can only be made once we see it in the shops with real pricing. My gut feel is it is squeezing into a gap that doesn't need to be filled based on specs alone. If it is used as a weapon through pricing is a kinda parallel angle to this.

 

The other thought I had was going this route might imply there's sufficient defective or lower bin dies to be worth doing this. We didn't see any of these with Zen 3 I think? I don't recall a 4 core chiplet offering unless I forgot? As good as TSMC are, maybe there's a bit more salvage to recycle on the lower end here.

[CommanderAlex]

Pretty unusual to see the 7800X have 2 CCD and 5 cores each, considering Ryzen Master wouldn't allow uneven core disabling on my 5950X. I'm sure the BIOS is like this too.

[Doobeedoo]

Quite intereating SKUs hmm. I just want to see the X3D though. We'll see about those squeezing and slot between naming. Just give me single CCS 8 core with 3D cache. 

Hoping by them DDR5 normalizes in price. At least in EU prices are insane even for worse kits vs the sweetspot that is cheaper elsewhere.

[StDragon]

Single core is weak sauce. It's not a CPU for gamers.

[tim0901]

5 hours ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

While the 4c/8t 7300X could be priced appropriately to compete with the Core i3.

Unless AMD can solve the platform cost, it won't compete here at all. The cheapest AM5 B650 board is still nearly 2x the price of the cheapest B660 board, let alone the likes of H610. DDR5 doesn't help matters either. With current AM5 platform costs, AMD would practically have to give away the 7300X in order to compete with the 12100 on price:

 

12100: £135

B660 board: £110

8GB DDR4: £30

Total: £275

 

Cheapest AM5 motherboard: £200

8GB DDR5: £45

Remaining budget for CPU: £30.

 

5 hours ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

The specs on paper should make the 7300X a formidable rival to the likes of the Core i3-12300, especially given that Intel is expected to rebrand "Alder Lake" into the 13th Gen for the lower end of its product-stack.

I still hate this take - it doesn't matter if Alder Lake is rebranded on the lower end if it's priced right. Intel wants to sell me a rebadged 12400 for the price of a 12100 (which is the current rumour)? That sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me and would likely destroy any hopes of the 7300X having much success, given the 12400 gets a geekbench score of ~1700 for single thread and ~9000 for multithread.

 

Also the 12300 is one of those stupid CPUs that nobody should buy. It's barely 5% faster than the 12100, but costs 20% more (50% more than the 12100F).

[starsmine]

11 minutes ago, tim0901 said:

Unless AMD can solve the platform cost, it won't compete here at all. The cheapest AM5 B650 board is still nearly 2x the price of the cheapest B660 board, let alone the likes of H610. DDR5 doesn't help matters either. With current AM5 platform costs, AMD would practically have to give away the 7300X in order to compete with the 12100 on price:

 

12100: £135

B660 board: £110

8GB DDR4: £30

Total: £275

 

Cheapest AM5 motherboard: £200

8GB DDR5: £45

Remaining budget for CPU: £30.

 

I still hate this take - it doesn't matter if Alder Lake is rebranded on the lower end if it's priced right. Intel wants to sell me a rebadged 12400 for the price of a 12100 (which is the current rumour)? That sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me and would likely destroy any hopes of the 7300X having much success, given the 12400 gets a geekbench score of ~1700 for single thread and ~9000 for multithread.

 

Also the 12300 is one of those stupid CPUs that nobody should buy. It's barely 5% faster than the 12100, but costs 20% more (50% more than the 12100F).

by the time the 7300x drops, there will be <£150 b650

But yes, unless a user has a reason to go AMD,  I do not see the 7300x being a big seller. 

[BiG StroOnZ]

1 hour ago, tim0901 said:

Unless AMD can solve the platform cost, it won't compete here at all. The cheapest AM5 B650 board is still nearly 2x the price of the cheapest B660 board, let alone the likes of H610. DDR5 doesn't help matters either. With current AM5 platform costs, AMD would practically have to give away the 7300X in order to compete with the 12100 on price:

 

12100: £135

B660 board: £110

8GB DDR4: £30

Total: £275

 

Cheapest AM5 motherboard: £200

8GB DDR5: £45

Remaining budget for CPU: £30.

 

I still hate this take - it doesn't matter if Alder Lake is rebranded on the lower end if it's priced right. Intel wants to sell me a rebadged 12400 for the price of a 12100 (which is the current rumour)? That sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me and would likely destroy any hopes of the 7300X having much success, given the 12400 gets a geekbench score of ~1700 for single thread and ~9000 for multithread.

 

Also the 12300 is one of those stupid CPUs that nobody should buy. It's barely 5% faster than the 12100, but costs 20% more (50% more than the 12100F).

 

Don't forget that AMD promised AM5 B650 motherboards starting at $125. Now unless AMD is outright lying, those should eventually pop up. Perhaps even, they were waiting for the launch of the 7300X for those lower end B650 motherboards to be released.

 

As far as the rebrand goes, I don't disagree with you on that front, if it performs well and is priced well who cares. But it should be noted the 7300X here is scoring 1984 single thread and 7682 multithread. This is also most likely an Engineering Sample, so final performance is yet to be determined. Meaning, there's still a possibility of the 7300X being more competitive with final silicon. 

[BigDamn]

I'm assuming the 7800x would be two six core CCDs with a single core disabled each, due to being faulty. The single threaded performance is uninspiring, but these are just engineering samples.

 

That said, the 7300x is definitely the most intriguing. With Ryzen 7000 running notoriously hot (by design), I wonder if they'll take a different approach here. I think this is a good opportunity for AMD to reclaim the efficiency crown, with lower power targets and therefore lower heat output. This would make AMD a compelling choice for small form-factor PCs, provided the performance is still there. This may also shed light on AMDs approach with it's Zen 4 laptop CPUs, which have yet to be announced.

 

Overall I like this move by AMD for competitive reasons. Gap filler CPUs paired with price cuts and (supposedly) cheaper motherboards, with the addition of AMDs excellent track record of maintaining its consumer platforms makes them a very good long-term option. Everyone knows Intels DDR4 facade will come to an end soon, and may even be met with a new socket or lack of motherboard backwards compatibility (which Intel is notorious for). AMD may have a higher upfront cost, but it's a platform that will last.

[AndreiArgeanu]

37 minutes ago, tim0901 said:

Intel wants to sell me a rebadged 12400 for the price of a 12100 (which is the current rumour)?

Most rumours I can find around say that the CPU is quad core unfortunately. I was hoping they'd do the same thing they did with the i3 1215U and load it up with a few E cores. Like an additional 2-4 e cores.

[starsmine]

29 minutes ago, BigDamn said:

I'm assuming the 7800x would be two six core CCDs with a single core disabled each, due to being faulty. The single threaded performance is uninspiring, but these are just engineering samples.

 

That said, the 7300x is definitely the most intriguing. With Ryzen 7000 running notoriously hot (by design), I wonder if they'll take a different approach here. I think this is a good opportunity for AMD to reclaim the efficiency crown, with lower power targets and therefore lower heat output. This would make AMD a compelling choice for small form-factor PCs, provided the performance is still there. This may also shed light on AMDs approach with it's Zen 4 laptop CPUs, which have yet to be announced.

 

Overall I like this move by AMD for competitive reasons. Gap filler CPUs paired with price cuts and (supposedly) cheaper motherboards, with the addition of AMDs excellent track record of maintaining its consumer platforms makes them a very good long-term option. Everyone knows Intels DDR4 facade will come to an end soon, and may even be met with a new socket or lack of motherboard backwards compatibility (which Intel is notorious for). AMD may have a higher upfront cost, but it's a platform that will last.

There are no 6 core zen3 or zen4 CCDs. there are ALL 8 core. 

[CommanderAlex]

9 minutes ago, starsmine said:

There are no 6 core zen3 or zen4 CCDs. there are ALL 8 core. 

I believe he is referring to toned down CCDs that are 8 cores at the maximum. They are disabling a couple defective cores to make it a 10C with 2 CCDs. 

[dizmo]

Hm. Interesting. Not sure how many people will buy the 7800x but I guess it all comes down to price. I don't see many situations where you need 10 cores and going 12 cores doesn't make more sense. Gamers are likely still better off with the 13600k. 

6 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

7300x looks good on paper but then you look at the mobo and ram costs, 5600 is still cheaper with a used b3/450 or x3/470 board

 

7800x eh not too sure about that one, 13700k would still win in multicore by sheer amount of cores and thats not considering cheap b660/h670/z690 + ddr4 which may still make the 13700k cheaper than the 7800x

Fun fact: it's always cheaper when you're buying used. 

1 hour ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

 

Don't forget that AMD promised AM5 B650 motherboards starting at $125. Now unless AMD is outright lying, those should eventually pop up. Perhaps even, they were waiting for the launch of the 7300X for those lower end B650 motherboards to be released.

 

As far as the rebrand goes, I don't disagree with you on that front, if it performs well and is priced well who cares. But it should be noted the 7300X here is scoring 1984 single thread and 7682 multithread. This is also most likely an Engineering Sample, so final performance is yet to be determined. Meaning, there's still a possibility of the 7300X being more competitive with final silicon. 

AFAIK AMD doesn't set board pricing, so I'd take that as pure marketing hopes. 

[porina]

https://chipsandcheese.com/2022/10/27/why-you-cant-trust-cpuid/

 

Why those results may be faked and how.

[BiG StroOnZ]

56 minutes ago, porina said:

https://chipsandcheese.com/2022/10/27/why-you-cant-trust-cpuid/

 

Why those results may be faked and how.

 

Interesting, but I'm wondering why they think they are fake. Is it because the 10 core seems unlikely? And is the 4 core really that outlandish?

 

Found the corresponding Geekbench links:

 

https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/18237412

https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/18237804

 

Also, noticed Videocardz took their article down:

[starsmine]

51 minutes ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

 

Interesting, but I'm wondering why they think they are fake. Is it because the 10 core seems unlikely? And is the 4 core really that outlandish?

 

Found the corresponding Geekbench links:

 

https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/18237412

https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/18237804

 

Also, noticed Videocardz took their article down:

10 core seemed very unlikely to me, both how it was leaked, and how it would have to physically be done. 
I dont think the 4 core is outlandish, I just dont think AMD has enough "bad" chiplets to make the sku viable or the mobo/ram prices either. If it comes out I would imagine late q2 at the earliest. I feel like a very low end dragon range using those chiplets might make more sense as well, just a pure office machine since its not an APU.

[tim0901]

2 hours ago, AndreiArgeanu said:

Most rumours I can find around say that the CPU is quad core unfortunately. I was hoping they'd do the same thing they did with the i3 1215U and load it up with a few E cores. Like an additional 2-4 e cores.

Ah ok. Hunting around I think I was getting confused with the 13400, which is rumored to get those 4 e-cores and therefore basically become a 12600k.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

This is quite strange 

[NicoV]

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Interesting, but I'm wondering why they think they are fake. Is it because the 10 core seems unlikely? And is the 4 core really that outlandish?

Read the first paragraph of the article carefully, they were the ones who created the fake scores.

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Single core is weak sauce. It's not a CPU for gamers.

https://chipsandcheese.com/2022/10/27/why-you-cant-trust-cpuid/ They don't say this outright, but the low single core scores are probably because the test is being run in a virtual machine, incurring a slight penalty.

[Gamer Schnitzel]

Every time I build a new PC I want to use AMD but somehow AMD always manages to mess everything up. Why the fuck should I buy DDR5 if it literally does not give any significant FPS boost??????? I will probably build another PC next gen anyway. Why should I buy DDR5 NOW??? "Future proofing" because everyone changes their hardware ??? I actually have a brain and just build a new PC instead of swapping items and throwing the old stuff in the trash. Get your shit together already AMD and don't you fucking dare release decent GPUs but overprice them like you did with last gen. Having a little more FPS than NVIDIA in  rasterization does not mean you are at the same level.

[BiG StroOnZ]

10 minutes ago, NicoV said:

Read the first paragraph of the article carefully, they were the ones who created the fake scores.

 

Yeah, I read it a few times, interesting choice of wording for sure. I'll get a moderator to lock the thread.