PSU Tier List Rev. 8.6.0

[PSU Daniel]

2 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

Are you as qualified/knowledgeable as someone like @jonnyGURU ? To me it just sounds like you are trying to make a 'different' list just for the sake of it. 

We have some one with knowledge in the team, and it's Charles, he has spoken with Aris and Jonny sometimes.

Nope, it's not just got the sake of it, i said it, Tier B in cult list with Active Clamp even though it's a derivative of Double Forward, topology that it's not good with high power draw GPUs and/or CPUs 

[Mateyyy]

9 hours ago, PSU Daniel said:

If there's some error or recommendation, please say it 

it

[Datedorck06]

41 minutes ago, Middcore said:

 

So you and your imaginary friends for all we know?  

 

Are you associated with any site or publication?

 

You have to understand that the cultists PSU tier list is a collaborative effort among community members people here know, which has been going on for a long while. So when you show up here and present a "competing" list you claim is better as your very first post on the forum, with no background on your knowledge or credibility, people are going to be skeptical. 

 

Edit: Using an almost-identical avatar to a longtime forum member who actually does have unimpeachable bona fides in this area also looks rather weird. 

Yeah it seems that the cultist  has a lot of knowledge and background adding psu’s with active clamp to tier B and also adding psu’s that have issues with high transite power to tier A

[PSU Daniel]

1 hour ago, lee32uk said:

That doesn't make it a Tier C. 

 

Go find a psu with a perfect review. You won't find one.

In our methodology, yes, every single aspect is important, we didn't add leakege current for example, because of time.

Do you have any suggestions? 

We want to create a good tier list, I said it, in the cult list, the tier B is not planned for high power draw GPUs and/or CPUs, here that's not a problem, every single PSU from tier B is good for GPUs with more than 300W spikes.

[PSU Daniel]

1 hour ago, Middcore said:

 

So you and your imaginary friends for all we know?  

 

Are you associated with any site or publication?

 

You have to understand that the cultists PSU tier list is a collaborative effort among community members people here know, which has been going on for a long while. So when you show up here and present a "competing" list you claim is better as your very first post on the forum, with no background on your knowledge or credibility, people are going to be skeptical. 

 

Edit: Using an almost-identical avatar to a longtime forum member who actually does have unimpeachable bona fides in this area also looks rather weird. 

Well, Charles contribute with the cult List, he gave information about the internal parts of the Aerocool Cylon and EVGA BA.

So if that for you is an imaginary fried well....

 

Yeah, we are searching suggestions, so if you have some suggestion about the Methodology we are going to be glad.

 

And yes, I know that the profile doesn't have any trajectory, but with the time that's going to change, we know that it's weird a new profile making a Tier List.

[IkeaGnome]

Since your tiers seem to be based on price, what happens if a power supply that should be Tier C comes in at your arbitrary $60-$90 USD price point for Tier B? Is it ignored? Is it automatically bumped up a tier because it fits in that price bracket? Same for a unit with Tier S hardware and test results, but comes in closer to the $100 price point. Is it now tier A because it's not expensive enough for tier S?

[SavageNeo]

Tiering need a bit more improvement. You have a good psu at tier E, because of 5VSB effiency? since when that has really mattered?

 

I would create something like the "speculative tier" or something to those units which have problems with Ampere etc, to make people first look at the psus that do not have these issues.

 

I could see potential in this, but needs improvement, and more units ofc. You know keeping it simple is not the best idea, since you have ctrl + f.

[PSU Daniel]

1 hour ago, IkeaGnome said:

Since your tiers seem to be based on price, what happens if a power supply that should be Tier C comes in at your arbitrary $60-$90 USD price point for Tier B? Is it ignored? Is it automatically bumped up a tier because it fits in that price bracket? Same for a unit with Tier S hardware and test results, but comes in closer to the $100 price point. Is it now tier A because it's not expensive enough for tier S?

Nop, that's the suggested price, if it's more expensive you shouldn't buy it and better look to the next tier or search other options.

The price is not part of the methodology 

[PSU Daniel]

12 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

Tiering need a bit more improvement. You have a good psu at tier E, because of 5VSB effiency? since when that has really mattered?

 

I would create something like the "speculative tier" or something to those units which have problems with Ampere etc, to make people first look at the psus that do not have these issues.

 

I could see potential in this, but needs improvement, and more units ofc. You know keeping it simple is not the best idea, since you have ctrl + f.

Thank you for the suggestions, we are going to improve the Tier.

 

Maybe we can decrease the 5VSB efficiency requirements? 

 

About the "speculative tier" we were thinking on it because there are a lot of units not listed here, in the next update we are going to introduce that, thanks for the recommendation.

 

And, it's not just Ctrl + f, is the Revision 8.6.0, if this tier is kinda "bad" in some points, imagine the first version, anyway, we are going to improve the Tier, thanks for the suggestions.

[SavageNeo]

1 minute ago, PSU Daniel said:

Maybe we can decrease the 5VSB efficiency requirements? 

 

yeah, seems somehwta pointless. but mayby for some users that have dozen USBs connected it could make a difference. but how many of us have that many? most o us have like 4-6.

[PSU Daniel]

3 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

yeah, seems somehwta pointless. but mayby for some users that have dozen USBs connected it could make a difference. but how many of us have that many? most o us have like 4-6.

Ok, we are going to decrease the requirements, thank you for your time.

[IkeaGnome]

13 minutes ago, PSU Daniel said:

Nop, that's the suggested price, if it's more expensive you shouldn't buy it and better look to the next tier or search other options.

The price is not part of the methodology 

That's not noted anywhere on the list. It comes across as a hard requirement. 

Are you going to adjust the list for EoL power supplies? Say a power supply starts at $100, but is EoL and now sells for $600+ (AX) and no longer fits what you think is a suggested price. How does that get adjusted and how often?

[BlaDoS]

I do love how he copies Jon's profile picture to emulate a sense of "authority" on the subject.

[Middcore]

So where were versions 8.5.0 and earlier published?

[PSU Daniel]

1 hour ago, IkeaGnome said:

That's not noted anywhere on the list. It comes across as a hard requirement. 

Are you going to adjust the list for EoL power supplies? Say a power supply starts at $100, but is EoL and now sells for $600+ (AX) and no longer fits what you think is a suggested price. How does that get adjusted and how often?

Maybe we can just erase that if it's something confusing, or adjust it every time that the list get updated (we are thinking in 3/4 months per update) 

[PSU Daniel]

28 minutes ago, BlaDoS said:

I do love how he copies Jon's profile picture to emulate a sense of "authority" on the subject.

What?

Jonny uses a CX-F for profile picture?

I didn't know it, my profile is a bit new LMAO 

[IkeaGnome]

13 hours ago, PSU Daniel said:

Silverstone- // SFX Gold //

8 minutes ago, PSU Daniel said:

Maybe we can just erase that if it's something confusing, or adjust it every time that the list get updated (we are thinking in 3/4 months per update) 

I looked up 1 single unit and it's over the price limit for that tier. You already have adjusting to do.

[PSU Daniel]

27 minutes ago, Middcore said:

So where were versions 8.5.0 and earlier published?

Facebook pages and we have a Google docs

[Middcore]

Just now, PSU Daniel said:

Facebook pages 

 

Link?

[PSU Daniel]

Just now, IkeaGnome said:

I looked up 1 single unit and it's over the price limit for that tier. You already have adjusting to do.

Ok, we are going to check that 

[--SID--]

Skip the price range. It's only usable in the US while LTT has worldwide visitors.

[LukeSavenije]

Let's revive this account for a moment again... There's a lot wrong here...

 

Your voltage regulation numbers aren't deviations from zero, so 3.3v tier E and all of tier F could easily be well out of spec in the right scenarios 

 

Speaking of... the numbers also seem oddly specific, almost like you're trying to squeeze in or squeeze out certain units

 

I wouldn't even have specified beyond 18 awg, anything below that is more often than not cheap crap, because they're trying to save a few cents on cables

 

all the way down, you're somehow still expecting a crap unit to meet ATX spec ripple... and "all situations" would also imply overload beyond 110%, something many units have shown to be unable to handle continued

 

even most online UPS units won't need 17 MS to react to a power outage... why make holdup time that tight of a requirement?

 

budget in general is a really weird thing to even consider into the list

 

Because of all of these requirements and random footnotes that aren't even mentioned in the methodology, as well as having similar, if not the same platform and parts all over the place because of these weird requirements and minor differences in samples... I'm already not a fan

 

your only activity here is this, with the pfp of Jon Gerow, your team I don't see in here at all

 

outside of Jon and Aris... you've also talked to me about some units mentioned here, as well as our choice to include ACRF into tier B on Discord

 

I'm obviously biased towards my own work here... but I can't consider this worthy of much as is... 

 

ps. I guess my daily SX1000 is low-end now

[Michu458]

Greetings!!!

[fgr1234]

On 8/1/2022 at 4:05 PM, LukeSavenije said:

Let's revive this account for a moment again... There's a lot wrong here...

 

Your voltage regulation numbers aren't deviations from zero, so 3.3v tier E and all of tier F could easily be well out of spec in the right scenarios 

 

Speaking of... the numbers also seem oddly specific, almost like you're trying to squeeze in or squeeze out certain units

 

I wouldn't even have specified beyond 18 awg, anything below that is more often than not cheap crap, because they're trying to save a few cents on cables

 

all the way down, you're somehow still expecting a crap unit to meet ATX spec ripple... and "all situations" would also imply overload beyond 110%, something many units have shown to be unable to handle continued

 

even most online UPS units won't need 17 MS to react to a power outage... why make holdup time that tight of a requirement?

 

budget in general is a really weird thing to even consider into the list

 

Because of all of these requirements and random footnotes that aren't even mentioned in the methodology, as well as having similar, if not the same platform and parts all over the place because of these weird requirements and minor differences in samples... I'm already not a fan

 

your only activity here is this, with the pfp of Jon Gerow, your team I don't see in here at all

 

outside of Jon and Aris... you've also talked to me about some units mentioned here, as well as our choice to include ACRF into tier B on Discord

 

I'm obviously biased towards my own work here... but I can't consider this worthy of much as is... 

 

ps. I guess my daily SX1000 is low-end now

I got question for you. Why cooler master mwe bronze v2 in tier B "https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/"? According from users mwe bronze v2 got coil wine issues, strange sounds, even pc is power off, massive voltage drops on 12 and 3.3 rail, and many v2 models came with all capxcon caps, even bulk cap is capxcon. But xpg pylon new models got japan main cap and other elite caps with 5 years warranty and in this tier list xpg pylon is in tier C. Also i found strange, why xpg pylon 550w have 2 cables for 5-sata/2-molex/1-fdd and mwe bronze v2 550w have 3 cables for 6-sata/4-molex?

[Guest]

6 hours ago, fgr1234 said:

According from users mwe bronze v2 got coil wine issues, strange sounds, even pc is power off

Pretty much any PSU can have coil whine.  That's not an indication of lack of quality or poor design.

6 hours ago, fgr1234 said:

massive voltage drops on 12 and 3.3 rail

According toooooooo.......  ?

6 hours ago, fgr1234 said:

many v2 models came with all capxcon caps, even bulk cap is capxcon. 

So?  Capacitor plague was something that happened over a decade ago.

6 hours ago, fgr1234 said:

But xpg pylon new models got japan main cap and other elite caps

So?

6 hours ago, fgr1234 said:

5 years warranty

So does the MWE V2.

6 hours ago, fgr1234 said:

xpg pylon is in tier C.

It's double forward while the MWE is LLC.  That's why.

 

If you read the "tier requirements", a PSU has to at least have LLC to be considered Tier A.  It has to have at least ACRF or ZVS for tier B.  By default, the XPG being double forward puts it in tier C.

 

6 hours ago, fgr1234 said:

 Also i found strange, why xpg pylon 550w have 2 cables for 5-sata/2-molex/1-fdd and mwe bronze v2 550w have 3 cables for 6-sata/4-molex?

 What does this have to do with anything?