Free wire-melter with every purchase - AMD Senior VP predicts 700 watt GPUs by 2025

[WhitetailAni]

11 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

 

https://i.imgur.com/5Z8V0Fp.mp4

 

Probably a good description of what cooling will look like too.

 

But as others have said the real issue is that whilst they cna make te low end more efficent they're really struggling to top the previous generations performance at the top end without silly power budgets.

Do what Kepler did, when replacing Fermi. Not too much performance improvement, but a crap ton of efficiency gain.

[Zodiark1593]

13 minutes ago, FakeKGB said:

Do what Kepler did, when replacing Fermi. Not too much performance improvement, but a crap ton of efficiency gain.

Well, that involved moving from 40nm to 28nm, and the top end chip wasn’t even available to gamers until much later in Kepler’s life. 
 

We could use a repeat of Maxwell though. More efficiency and a substantial  performance bump at the same node size.

 

[porina]

2 hours ago, Vishera said:

That's a deal breaker for a lot of people including me,

I had rather ger a 160W~200W card that is cool,quiet and doesn't take more than 2 slots.

Lower power options will be available regardless. I'm pretty sure perf/W is, on average, improving with each generation. Would need a more controlled test to quantify.

[starsmine]

5 hours ago, porina said:

Lower power options will be available regardless. I'm pretty sure perf/W is, on average, improving with each generation. Would need a more controlled test to quantify.

This is my thoughts. 
perf/w is still increasing gen over gen. no reason to upgrade every gen either as well. 1080s are still cards that go very strong and had no reason to be upgraded to 30 series imo.
Go oh, well 300 w already increases temps in my room to much, ill just wait a whole three years and get a 250w card that is 2x faster.

[Senzelian]

Not a great time for gaming laptops I assume...

[PocketNerd]

How about.... no?

[starsmine]

11 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

Not a great time for gaming laptops I assume...

if perf/watt is still increasing, gaming laptops shouldnt care?
a 60w-100w laptop in 2023 will still be faster then a 60-100w laptop in 2022.

[Senzelian]

8 minutes ago, starsmine said:

if perf/watt is still increasing, gaming laptops shouldnt care?

Depends.

 

Imagine you can't get a RTX 4080 in a GPU anymore, because of power constraints. Or maybe you can still get one, but now you're carrying a 350w power brick with you around to even be able to use it. Yes you could potentially scale down to a RTX 4070 or 4060, but that might not deliver the performance you like.

 

Of course it's going to be better than last generation, but that's the point: It's last generation. Games do not stop to develope either and next generation engines demand more power. 

 

My point is: If we're already mad about GPUs needing more power on desktops, then we should be even more mad about it for gaming notebooks.

[starsmine]

8 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

Depends.

 

Imagine you can't get a RTX 4080 in a GPU anymore, because of power constraints. Or maybe you can still get one, but now you're carrying a 350w power brick with you around to even be able to use it. Yes you could potentially scale down to a RTX 4070 or 4060, but that might not deliver the performance you like.

 

Of course it's going to be better than last generation, but that's the point: It's last generation. Games do not stop to develope either and next generation engines demand more power. 

 

My point is: If we're already mad about GPUs needing more power on desktops, then we should be even more mad about it for gaming notebooks.

the names are fake to begin with. they straight up changed the GPU classes. xx60 used to mean sub 200. now its sub 400. Inflation was NOT 100%. There is no shame in getting a mobile version of a 4060.

Yes games dont stop developing and demanding more power, but for a laptop, dead ass, you do not see the benefits of going over 1080p. GPU rasterization performance is growing faster then engine demands are. that is WHY we see people playing 4k 120hz now. when 40k 60hz was a dream on the 10 series cards.

There was novelty gaming laptops that shoved desktop 680s into them for... reasons. Batteries and power delivery and cooling engineering has only gotten better since then.

[Senzelian]

5 minutes ago, starsmine said:

Inflation was NOT 100%

It's not only inflation. 

Increased ressource prices, chip shortages, higher wages...

 

Especially copper and gold have doubled in price at the beginning of 2020 till 2021.

[Zodiark1593]

1 hour ago, Senzelian said:

Depends.

 

Imagine you can't get a RTX 4080 in a GPU anymore, because of power constraints. Or maybe you can still get one, but now you're carrying a 350w power brick with you around to even be able to use it. Yes you could potentially scale down to a RTX 4070 or 4060, but that might not deliver the performance you like.

 

Of course it's going to be better than last generation, but that's the point: It's last generation. Games do not stop to develope either and next generation engines demand more power. 

 

My point is: If we're already mad about GPUs needing more power on desktops, then we should be even more mad about it for gaming notebooks.

So is the answer to hold back the maximum performance that can be achieved on desktop simply so gaming laptops can achieve some semblance of parity?

[Senzelian]

4 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

So is the answer to hold back the maximum performance that can be achieved on desktop simply so gaming laptops can achieve some semblance of parity?

Don't let Nvidia see that... 

[Zodiark1593]

4 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

Don't let Nvidia see that... 

Oops, I said the quiet part out loud again, didn't I?

[Donut417]

On 7/11/2022 at 3:54 PM, BachChain said:

that graphics cards will break the 700w power consumption threshold within the next couple years;

This worries me. Me and my mom's bedroom are on the same 15 amp breaker, at 120votls thats around 1800 watts peak. If the GPU is using 700 watts full boar and then you have to take in to account the rest of the system. So your going to need a 1000 watts PSU or more. Add in monitor(s) and other bullshit like Air-conditioning. 

[ZetZet]

2 hours ago, Donut417 said:

15 amp breaker, at 120votls thats around 1800 watts peak.

That's not how breakers work. 15A breaker would hold 15A indefinitely. I would handle peaks up to 20, 25, 30 amps for a period of time, which is known as the trip curve. I know from practice European style 16A C rated breaker holds 20 amps for 15-20 minutes.

 

 

 

Also you guys are all drama queens. RTX 3090 is among the most power efficient cards in terms of performance/watt. It's just also pushed to the max, don't buy at top end cards if you don't want top end performance. 

[dizmo]

This is just advanced marketing. Then they'll come out with some "new technology" or design that brings down the power consumption, looking to gain some market clout. 

[Sauron]

On 7/11/2022 at 9:54 PM, BachChain said:

700 watts, on top of being an absurd number on its own, is notable in that it exceeds the 600w limit of the recently announced ATX 3.0 12VHPWR "High Power" connector, effectively making it outdated even before it has a chance for widespread adoption.

Does it? You can just have two connectors on the card as we do right now... or would you rather use 4 normal connectors instead?

On 7/12/2022 at 12:52 AM, Fasterthannothing said:

This is absolutely stupid we are going back technology wise.

Are we? It's not inherently a bad thing to draw more power if it results in better performance... there are practical concerns but we're starting to get past them, with the new ATX standards and better cooling.

On 7/12/2022 at 12:52 AM, Fasterthannothing said:

I honestly thought at some point we would get to 3070 performance in an Ultrabook but that's obviously not happening.

There's no reason to believe it won't, performance per watt is still increasing significantly with every generation.

[Beerzerker]

Neato!
Doubles as a GPU and year round heater for the home - Talk about bang for the buck!
The next BIG thing isn't FPS from the card, it's RPM's of the power meter acheived when you bench it!
Of course if your meter is digital then you can't compete in this one - Sorry about that.

[Blademaster91]

1 hour ago, Sauron said:

Are we? It's not inherently a bad thing to draw more power if it results in better performance... there are practical concerns but we're starting to get past them, with the new ATX standards and better cooling.

It seems like any concern for power draw went away after the Nvidia GTX 10 series, while AMD's cards draw less power, anything more than midrange seems to have a 3 fan 2.5 to 3 slot cooler on it. And with cards needing large coolers I think anything larger will be too impractical, a 700W GPU would require a 1500W PSU to have enough power for the CPU and the rest of the system, so I don't see how it would be a good thing.

On 7/13/2022 at 12:01 AM, ZetZet said:

That's not how breakers work. 15A breaker would hold 15A indefinitely. I would handle peaks up to 20, 25, 30 amps for a period of time, which is known as the trip curve. I know from practice European style 16A C rated breaker holds 20 amps for 15-20 minutes.

 

 

 

Also you guys are all drama queens. RTX 3090 is among the most power efficient cards in terms of performance/watt. It's just also pushed to the max, don't buy at top end cards if you don't want top end performance.

While you could run a 15 amp breaker to its rating limit I don't see why you'd want to, and you'd need a window AC unit to manage the room the PC is in because a PC drawing 700W would be a space heater, even a GPU drawing 300W is enough to make a room much warmer.

And while an RTX 3090 has good performance per watt, those cards run very hot and often require VRM mods or a full waterblock to cool them.

[Sauron]

25 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

a 700W GPU would require a 1500W PSU to have enough power for the CPU and the rest of the system

Doubtful that the rest of your system is drawing more than 500W unless you have some ultra high end system.

[Donut417]

46 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

While you could run a 15 amp breaker to its rating limit

Read somewhere that breakers can’t do sustained max, they are actually only rated for 80% and the max rating is more or less a peak amount it can handle. 

[Blademaster91]

36 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Read somewhere that breakers can’t do sustained max, they are actually only rated for 80% and the max rating is more or less a peak amount it can handle. 

That makes sense 80% is 1500W, I've heard you can go up to 1800W watts for appliances like a water kettle but that is probably peak load.

[Shreyas1]

I mean at this point it might be worth it just to have a dedicated power brick for just the GPU

[starsmine]

On 7/14/2022 at 10:24 AM, Sauron said:

Doubtful that the rest of your system is drawing more than 500W unless you have some ultra high end system.

Transient loads my dude

[Elijah Kamski]

Where can I get this heater?