Intel is losing billions

[Sharkyx1]

So, it just seems none of you read, Intel is losing Billions on mobile, they are still massively in the black, its just they are investing in mobile because one day they think they will be able to steal that market, 

 

Intel lowering prices on consumer CPUs will not help them, they keep prices in check knowing what they need to sell, and they have no reason to price compete with AMD, a company that sells less than them in price and numbers.

[ijKs Snow]

Anyone remember the Conan O Brien episode where he went to Intel HQ? Hilarious.

 

"I love how your gray walls, match the gray accents, which matches the grayish blue floors" lololol

[jmaster299]

Missing out on and Losing are two entirely different things. Losing implies they are seeing a decrease in profits year over year. Intel is still the king for desktop and laptop CPUs and they are focusing more on the gamer/enthusiast crowd.

[GoodBytes]

Hence Iris Pro. That thing trades blows with the A10-7850K (I know it's a fair bit behind but considering it's not the main feature it's damn impressive) and is coming as standard on all Broadwell Chips

Yay! Iris Pro... Still too slow, because the mobile version will be much slower.

And, like always: No actual full DirectX and OpenGL support, let alone DirectCompute and OpenCL.

In addition, it has abysmal multi-monitor setup, and buggy drivers, and features that makes no sense, such as Intel's Display Power Saving Technology, which does nothing beside dynamic contrast ratio at a software level. Meaning, beside the reduction of colors due to the software adjusted colors, when enabled, it dims the screen when it's dark, making you increase the screen brightness, and decrease the brightness when a bright screen comes on. Not very cleaver there Intel.

And Intel continues with its software optimized driver list, where if your game or software is not part of Intel list, it will probably give you very poor performance, or crash. Why can't they make 1 driver for all software. Hire the expertise, instead of trying to figure it out yourself. They clearly don't have the know how.

And what other false marketing claims the company does at every Intel GPU version. For example, Haswell Y and U series are not 4K ready, despite Intel's marketing claims. The U series can only do 30Hz (well I guess it's "4K ready".... my as well be 1Hz). The Y series 2560 x 1600 at 60Hz max. As you can see here: https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/quick-reference-guide-to-intel-processor-graphics

[Misanthrope]

CEO: WE NEED A BACK UP PLAN

Scientists: We do...

CEO: No... not that..

Scientists: IT MUST BE DONE!

 

few weeks later...

 

Intel has introduces consumer 8-Core unlocked processors at 250$!!!

 

And then you had sex with 2 pornstars and then! and THEN! your dog licked your face and you woke up.

[SOLO_AVENGER]

Go ARM or go home!

 

Doesn't it cost even more for sophisticated fabrications plants to match ARM's power efficiency? 

ARM doesn't actually own any fabrication facilities, they just design a chip and give it to a manufacturer. They sort of make the blue prints for the chip!

[7850OC]

The Verge is reporting that Intel is losing billions each year on tablets and smartphones, as few devices uses its processors, and PC sales have been dropping.

Source: http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/15/5618126/intel-is-losing-billions-every-year-on-tablets-and-smartphones

Image Source: http://bgr.com/tag/intel/

sad but true  :blush:

 

http://youtu.be/rXWkCo8Xby4

[Misanthrope]

There's a lot of talk about how they should keep waiting and playing the long game but has anybody actually looked at their financials? Because I haven't I honestly don't know if they even have enough bank to do so.

[gunsman]

Intel has yet to get their phone SoCs to market and it will take some time to get good design wins. Medfield should be a strong competitor to qualcomm's 801, especially since they are using powerVR GPUs instead of their rather sub optimal ivy-bridge offering in bay trail. Honestly, intel has the man power and the resources to make damn good mobile SoCs. If they can just stop slacking in the GPU area they may have a chance, luckily the 805 is not really improving the CPU side, this may give intel some time to get it right. Hell, maybe they can even license kepler out from nvidia and use that. Maybe it is just the enthusiast in me, but i would love to see a joint nvidia/intel mobile SoC using intel's great CPU cores with nvidia's maxwell. both nvidia and intel aren't doing so great in the mobile market and that just might give them the advantage they need to put themselves on the map.

[That Norwegian Guy]

 Intel has been under pressure to explain why personal computers haven't been selling quite as well.

 

Hate to be the genius here, but maybe it's because four generations ago (Bloomfield) it was possible to get more RAM on a consumer platform vs. today (48 vs 36) and maybe a little because Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge and Haswell are pretty much identical in performance, with Ivy Bridge being the overall better performing one and it's not even the most recent.

 

Tell that to the investors...

[Gunzkewl]

How are they "losing" millions if they never had the phone/tablet market before. Intel is late to the mobile market and that's why they can't make profit.

[The_Strict_Nein]

Hate to be the genius here, but maybe it's because four generations ago (Bloomfield) it was possible to get more RAM on a consumer platform vs. today (48 vs 36) and maybe a little because Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge and Haswell are pretty much identical in performance, with Ivy Bridge being the overall better performing one and it's not even the most recent.

 

Tell that to the investors...

 

And of course we live in a Universe where More always = better

[MzCatieB]

if they are losing for mobile/table then why dont they just push more for Laptop and Desktop..

[klotza1]

Tegra K1 anybody? Intel has some stiff competition in the mobile device market, it seems arm is here to stay.

[Legion]

How are they "losing" millions if they never had the phone/tablet market before. Intel is late to the mobile market and that's why they can't make profit.

 

R&D.

[mr moose]

So, it just seems none of you read, Intel is losing Billions on mobile, they are still massively in the black, its just they are investing in mobile because one day they think they will be able to steal that market, 

 

Intel lowering prices on consumer CPUs will not help them, they keep prices in check knowing what they need to sell, and they have no reason to price compete with AMD, a company that sells less than them in price and numbers.

maybe some didn't, but the company reports an on average $2B yearly profit, so to lose over $3B in one sector is not exactly trivial.

[samuel]

Yay lower priced ultra books!

[Phillyphries]

If Intel finds some way to crack the mobile market, that will be a great day for everyone.

 

However, their shit is just so expensive!

[AHaskin14]

meanwhile, like 80% of new pc builds have a 4670k or 4770k.

[rashdanml]

maybe some didn't, but the company reports an on average $2B yearly profit, so to lose over $3B in one sector is not exactly trivial.

Profit is still profit. Yes, they've lost a large amount in one sector, but Intel has obviously made up for it through other sectors. If they succeed in time, they'll profit in the mobile sector too. 

[qwertywarrior]

the only good cpu tablet they have ever done was the baytrail

and its gonna get better

 

give it time

[thirdworldking]

They should just cut their prices on i5's and i7's to a more like amd range and stop wasting time with tablets and phones.

no that wouldnt work because the mobile market is huge compared to the desktop and laptop market

[ofr057]

I would like if intel had a good mobile chip , I am thinking on getting a surface 2 this year

 

I could see a beast phone with a intel chip based on a blackberry phone

[mr moose]

Profit is still profit. Yes, they've lost a large amount in one sector, but Intel has obviously made up for it through other sectors. If they succeed in time, they'll profit in the mobile sector too. 

I never said they weren't making a profit, I was simply pointing out that the loss is not trivial, especially when they are trying to break into the mobile market so late in the game.  Whether it pays off or not is a different story and I guess how well Arm continue to improve their product will determine that.

[kuddlesworth9419]

PC sales have been dropping but PC hardware has been rising. Funny that isn't it.