NVIDIA NEW DRIVER KILLS MANTLE IN BF4!!

[ACatWithThumbs]

The difference is marginal, the graph is stretched. But holy crap the amount of fanboy the OP could pack into his posts....

The difference is pretty big.

The minimum FPS increased by a lot.

I can play now Far Cry 3 with 8xMSAA.

And Battlefield 4 with 4xMSAA+110% resolution scale without dropping under 60FPS.

 

[Askew]

Has anyone else noticed that OP is now banned?

 

I know we are not supposed to discuss bans, but if we have an admin who will ban for fanboyism that's pretty cool in my opinion so I'm going to say it anyway.

[LAwLz]

Has anyone else noticed that OP is now banned?

Hmm strange. I don't really see anything in his post that warrants a ban according to the CoC. If we're going to start banning people for being fanboys then I got a pretty sizable list of people that should be gone.

[Askew]

Hmm strange. I don't really see anything in his post that warrants a ban according to the CoC. If we're going to start banning people for being fanboys then I got a pretty sizable list of people that should be gone.

 

My guess is totting up of warnings/repeat offences, I could be wrong but as you say I doubt a ban would result from this one thread, it might not be permaban you can't tell.

 

However from now I'm going to respect the CoC and stop talking about it now it's been pointed out.

[Mooshi]

I assume this performance improvement only goes for their newest cards, essentially hyping up a lot of people by lying in their face. I'd love to see some extra frames in BF4 on my 560ti.

 

I also have a 560Ti and it seems that my system has been so crash happy with certain drivers. Most likely this will be a case of trying new drivers followed promptly with swapping with older ones again.

[LAwLz]

I also have a 560Ti and it seems that my system has been so crash happy with certain drivers. Most likely this will be a case of trying new drivers followed promptly with swapping with older ones again.

You should always do a complete uninstall of the old drivers before installing new ones. Installing drivers over other drives can often cause a lot of issues.

[Mooshi]

You should always do a complete uninstall of the old drivers before installing new ones. Installing drivers over other drives can often cause a lot of issues.

 

I always wipe drivers, though. Sometimes as far as doing all of this in safe mode. I know when games are crashing way too easy on with certain drivers on my system.

[TheMissxu]

How many of you actually believe company released data?!?

[BloodySinner]

Is the OP sponsored by Nvidia or something? I can't take this news seriously with that kind of nonsense.

[Alex780]

yeah, like every other company ever. Seriously, don't give Nvidia shit for doing that.

I don't care whether or not other companies do it. I just think it's ridiculous.

[LinusTech]

Has anyone else noticed that OP is now banned?

 

I know we are not supposed to discuss bans, but if we have an admin who will ban for fanboyism that's pretty cool in my opinion so I'm going to say it anyway.

 

OP is a flamebait troll with a history of arguing with me when I told him I didn't like his posts. He has the (dubious) honor of being the only person I have ever personally permabanned.

[Askew]

OP is a flamebait troll with a history of arguing with me when I told him I didn't like his posts. He has the (dubious) honor of being the only person I have ever personally permabanned.

 

Ah, as posted above I suspected there must have been more to it than just this thread. Previous circumstances aside though, that kind of fanboyism is annoying and can't say I'll miss it.

[mr moose]

The difference is marginal, the graph is stretched. But holy crap the amount of fanboy the OP could pack into his posts....

 

The problem is the graph is not stretched, but that they are using a more scientific comparative measure instead of the usual FPS model we're all used to.  Think of this measure like dB in audio, where it is not a representation of a set volume (in this case set FPS) but a volume as compared to a base volume or starting point (in this case gain in FPS as compared to mantle/dx)

 

The issue is that people don't quite understand it so they are assuming it is pointless or miniscule.

 

 

For the record, if when I put all that has been posted into perspective I get this:

 

1. there is an improvement, but if you turn your FPS monitor of you probably wont notice it.

2. it shows that a software update may be the difference between a game being playable or not, and so avoiding buying a new GPU/CPU

3. Mantle is good and has a place, but is not the be all and end all software innovation (maybe not even the driver of it). 

4. don't over praise any free performance offering from any company,  it probably just means they have been holding out on you with what their hardware is capable of.

[martinrox1568]

ill believe it when i see it

[SoySauciE]

OP is a flamebait troll with a history of arguing with me when I told him I didn't like his posts. He has the (dubious) honor of being the only person I have ever personally permabanned.

Yes!! thank you so much i remember someone posted a sale on a ssd and all he said was LOL you're better with a usb, the guy is such d1ck. 

good example of him being a jerk =/ 

 

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/117306-seagate-600-ssd-240gb-13499/

[A/C]

Agreed. Every time I watch a benchmark video, and he says "They're all OC'ed because OC'ing is easy", I just shake my head. It's also another reason why benchmark software is actually more reliable, and real-world performance isn't. It's entirely possible for two people with identical systems (identical overclocks, which is a stretch), and identical drivers/software have vastly different performance in the same game due to unexpected factors. At best, real-world benchmarks are a gamble; you may be lucky and get a good performer, or you may be terribly unlucky and get an awful performer.

 

Benchmark software is also the same test each time, whereas each reviewer has their own benchmark methodology for real-world tests, and each playthrough of said benchmark sequence can differ from test to test. 

 

I don't think you guys get his point. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to argue just for argument's sake.

 

He tests overclocked cards because noone else does. He could do the same thing everyone else is doing which would give him the same results everyone else is getting. He's aware that we all can go and look at anandtech or oc3d for the stock comparisons, so why should he do another one? That's accually a thought-out move on his side IMHO.

[fojacko]

you are using a 660 though. The graphs the OP mentions are showing improvements for the 770 and 780 Ti specifically.

The 700 series and 600 series are both kepler. There should still be improvements on the 600 series. The different results I got are most likely just a margin of error. I played online for a while and really couldn't see any major fps improvements, it all felt the same. And this is in the game they advertise as being largely effected by the update.

[Glenwing]

OP is a flamebait troll with a history of arguing with me when I told him I didn't like his posts. He has the (dubious) honor of being the only person I have ever personally permabanned.

 

Déjà Vu  :rolleyes:

[Ashaira]

OP is a flamebait troll with a history of arguing with me when I told him I didn't like his posts. He has the (dubious) honor of being the only person I have ever personally permabanned.

 

I personally agree on banning for personal reasons as long as it is within resonable bounds. Good man.

[KakaoDj]

OP is a flamebait troll with a history of arguing with me when I told him I didn't like his posts. He has the (dubious) honor of being the only person I have ever personally permabanned.

he was our only fanboy, people actually took him seriously??

I thought he was our Nvidia mascot  :blink:

[VSG]

I don't think you guys get his point. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to argue just for argument's sake.

 

He tests overclocked cards because noone else does. He could do the same thing everyone else is doing which would give him the same results everyone else is getting. He's aware that we all can go and look at anandtech or oc3d for the stock comparisons, so why should he do another one? That's accually a thought-out move on his side IMHO.

 

If anything, it makes less sense than showing stock numbers since those are at least reproducible. I have seen so many people here and elsewhere complain their card didn't get the FPS that Linus did and then do an RMA because of that.

[nicehat]

You'd think the OP substitutes Nvidia posters for porn...the driver gives you a 12% gain on frame rates that are un perceptibly high. Nvidia is certainly doing its advertising right with fans like these.

[A/C]

If anything, it makes less sense than showing stock numbers since those are at least reproducible. I have seen so many people here and elsewhere complain their card didn't get the FPS that Linus did and then do an RMA because of that.

 

Nobody says Linus's bencharks are a legit way of displaying performance of every card, which they just aren't, and aren't even supposed to be. Even they say that before every benchmark. Whoever bought his card based only on their benchmarks and expecting them do deliver the same level of performance whilst ignoring a plethora of other stock tests conducted by dosens of other journalists and techies is an idiot. @LinusTech said on more than one occasion that they are aware that the cards they get from vendors are cherry picked and that an average consumer shouldn't expect to get the same level of performance like they do.

 

There was also a video in which Linus explains why they overclock their cards (basically what I said up there), but as I'm at work right now I can't waste my time trying to find it.

[ACatWithThumbs]

Here is a side by side comparison:

There is almost a 10FPS difference.
 

[A/C]

Here is a side by side comparison:

There is almost a 10FPS difference.

 

 

 

Don't forget that every driver update brings an almost 10fps difference to a title or two, just remember far cry 3 driver update...