6600XT kind of sucks.

[Action_Johnson]

What a bummer. AMD had 6mo to make something that would definitely be better, and instead we basically get a 5700-5700XT with way less memory bandwidth, unusably slow RT, PCI-E 8x (bummer for anyone on intel 10th-gen or older), and it's at virtually the same MSRP as the 5700XT was. 

 

WOMP WOMP. Why anyone would consider this over a 2070, 2070 Super, 3060 or 3060Ti is beyond me. You'd have to find this for unusally cheap, or really hate Nvidia to get this card. 

 

Wouldn't you rather have a 2070 over this? Only case I can think of for the 6600XT is from a power perspective, where you're trying to build a gaming PC with a 400W PSU. R3 3100 + 6600XT would only use about 300W max. 

[da na]

It seems useless, yes. But at this point, people will buy any card they can get even if it's a cut-down 5700XT at twice the price it should be.

[xAcid9]

12 minutes ago, Action_Johnson said:

PCI-E 8x (bummer for anyone on intel 10th-gen or older)

Any reviewer tested this? Gen3 8x vs Gen4 8x.

RTX 3080 only lost 4% performance going from Gen4 16x to Gen2 16x. 

[Mister Woof]

2 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

Any reviewer tested this? Gen3 8x vs Gen4 8x. 

 

 

[AlwaysFSX]

Even with component supply issues probably being a thing, AMD strikes again. throws confetti What happened to them trying to make cards that performed better for the money than their previous generations?

[Action_Johnson]

1 hour ago, Mel0nMan said:

It seems useless, yes. But at this point, people will buy any card they can get even if it's a cut-down 5700XT at twice the price it should be.

True

[xg32]

it's basically a 5700xt for the same price 2 years ago lol, amd's really bad at cutting down products and selling it at a price that makes sense...or they actually think they can charge a premium over nvidia which is even worse.

[Mister Woof]

you'd think they would have learned about the PCIE x8 issue with the bad press they got on the 5500XT...guess not

[Gohardgrandpa]

39 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

you'd think they would have learned about the PCIE x8 issue with the bad press they got on the 5500XT...guess not

This is sad.  They know damn well it will sell, people can't get cards. The funny thing is people probably won't be able to get this card either due to no stock. 

 

Siege 1080p bench courtesy of tech Jesus,  it's a $400 with tax 5700xt  performance wise if you can even get it at MSRP. Who knows what the companies will actually sell these for 

 

[Aragorn-]

Thing is, the 3060 also kinda sucks. Its not really any faster than a 2060Super.

 

MSRP is higher ofcourse on this card, but those are fabricated anyway.

 

The 8x thing is clearly a cost saving measure, but PCIe4 is fairly popular at this point so not a complete deal breaker.

 

It all really hinges on what price the cards are actually available for. If the various cost savings mean they can get the boards out the door and stay close to the MSRP, its clearly a better buy than paying 1.5x+ for a 3060...

[Aragorn-]

2 hours ago, xAcid9 said:

Any reviewer tested this? Gen3 8x vs Gen4 8x.

RTX 3080 only lost 4% performance going from Gen4 16x to Gen2 16x. 

Depends on the game. H/WUB has tested it. Massive drop in Doom Eternal due to hitting VRAM limits (swapping out to system ram needs as much bandwidth as possible) Other games only a tiny change.

[Mister Woof]

4 minutes ago, Aragorn- said:

Thing is, the 3060 also kinda sucks. Its not really any faster than a 2060Super.

 

MSRP is higher ofcourse on this card, but those are fabricated anyway.

 

The 8x thing is clearly a cost saving measure, but PCIe4 is fairly popular at this point so not a complete deal breaker.

 

It all really hinges on what price the cards are actually available for. If the various cost savings mean they can get the boards out the door and stay close to the MSRP, its clearly a better buy than paying 1.5x+ for a 3060...

MSRP doesn't matter right now. Virtually all of the AMD 6000 series at MSRP is unobtanium, and what is readily available makes them terrible price/performance buys.

 

The RTX 3060, even if terrible value at MSRP, is significantly more obtainable at marked up prices than any of the 6000 series.

 

Same goes for every other 3000 series card in the stack.

AMD is just a terrible value right now because of its abysmally pitiful stock and market prices.

 

Like, right now, the $479 6700XT is available at major retailers for $1000. One. Thousand. Dollars.

 

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?st=6700xt&_dyncharset=UTF-8&_dynSessConf=&id=pcat17071&type=page&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=&sp=&qp=&list=n&af=true&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&keys=keys

 

So, if you can get a 3060 for under $600, it's a great deal. Relatively.

 

RTX cards at actual MSRP are far from rare, especially at Best Buy.

[Aragorn-]

We've no idea how obtainable the 6600xt is going to be though.

 

Personally, i picked up a 6900xt recently, significantly cheaper than the 3080 in this region, so your comments certainly dont apply everywhere.

[Mister Woof]

2 minutes ago, Aragorn- said:

We've no idea how obtainable the 6600xt is going to be though.

 

Personally, i picked up a 6900xt recently, significantly cheaper than the 3080 in this region, so your comments certainly dont apply everywhere.

Of course it depends where you are. However, given the data that 3090s alone account for more GPUs than the entirety of the 6000 series as a whole...not optimistic.

 

In the USA - getting 3000 series cards at or near MSRP is 10x easier than AMD cards at the same.

 

Every 3 weeks or so there are loads of people getting FE cards off Best Buy, and daily Microcenters across the state are getting supply of 3000 series for only slight markup.

[IkeaGnome]

Kind of unrelated to topic at hand. 

I think in a perfect world. Everyone could get the GPU they wanted, and every store had the stock of them. 6800 XT and 3080 do well. 3090 gets bought by workstation and people who game on more money than brains. 3060 doesn't sell except in budget prebuilts. 3070 sells to the more budget minded. 6900 XT goes way of the 3090. 6600xt matches the 3060. 6700 XT matches the 3070. The deciding factor between the two brands is basically RTX and Cuda cores or "I don't want/need either". 

[Gohardgrandpa]

Don't worry I'm sure these cards will be on stockx at launch for a markup. You won't be able to get one from a online store 

[Youn]

I can see probably one use... AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT Challenger ITX 8GB is 179 x 124 x 40 mm, 2-slot card.  This is useful if your very space limited in your case... Otherwise there probably isn't a huge reason besides cards just don't exist. 

[unboxgeeks]

I could get 3060 TI for $777, 3080 for $1350 and 3070 for $940 I went for 3070, as I didnt feel as the 3080 benefits worth the extra... your thoughts? 2K/144Hz monitor here.

 

I do wonder though your thoughts 6700XT vs 3070, if considering its pure, net render power, how both comparable?

[Sat1600]

Unlike Nvidia, AMD drops prices on cards when necessary. The rx 590 dropped at a stupid msrp of $280. Soon enough they were under $200.

 

In this market, AMD should charge whatever they can get away with. I'm not sure why they should leave money on the table for scalpers. They can always drop the price if the market changes.

 

Also if MSRP was $300, and street value is $500, that is attractive to scalpers. But at $380 the scalper has to pay tax, ebay fees, shipping,  and go through the time and effort for much less profit. At $380 you are more likely to to get one at msrp

[Quartz11]

Still waiting to upgrade my gpu due to the recent astronomical prices, but this PCIe x8 deal is making me sad.  I have an i9 10900kf on a Z590 motherboard, which is just a bit off the mark for getting PCIe 4.0 support, so I guess I’ll be skipping this GPU from consideration and keeping a close eye on any further GPU releases that limit PCIe lanes...

[Zodiark1593]

On 8/10/2021 at 10:07 AM, Action_Johnson said:

What a bummer. AMD had 6mo to make something that would definitely be better, and instead we basically get a 5700-5700XT with way less memory bandwidth, unusably slow RT, PCI-E 8x (bummer for anyone on intel 10th-gen or older), and it's at virtually the same MSRP as the 5700XT was. 

 

WOMP WOMP. Why anyone would consider this over a 2070, 2070 Super, 3060 or 3060Ti is beyond me. You'd have to find this for unusally cheap, or really hate Nvidia to get this card. 

 

Wouldn't you rather have a 2070 over this? Only case I can think of for the 6600XT is from a power perspective, where you're trying to build a gaming PC with a 400W PSU. R3 3100 + 6600XT would only use about 300W max. 

Honestly, the behavior of both vendors makes me hate both AMD and Nvidia equally, enough so that I’d prefer not to hand those two pricks any of my money again. 

[Action_Johnson]

YIKES

 

 

[Gohardgrandpa]

Yeah that's a rough one there

[SiG]

The only variant of this, the ASRock 6600XT Challenger ITX, was the version I wanted to get since it's the only one that could fit inside my chasis...yet I couldn't find it anywhere at launch.

On 8/10/2021 at 7:20 PM, Youn said:

I can see probably one use... AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT Challenger ITX 8GB is 179 x 124 x 40 mm, 2-slot card.  This is useful if your very space limited in your case... Otherwise there probably isn't a huge reason besides cards just don't exist. 

This so happens to be my use case.

[Youn]

Yeah, either the ASRock Challenger ITX was a paper release or it's a release to OEM makers to replace the 2060s they have at the same size. IE. Dell.