Can ANY graphics card REALLY do 8K??

[GabenJr]

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Nvidia marketed the RTX 3090 as an 8K gaming GPU and received a lot of criticism for not REALLY being up for it. Can AMD beat Nvidia at their own game with the Radeon RX 6900 XT and a good overclock?

 

 

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[Letgomyleghoe]

2.8 ghz go brrrrrt.

[ShrimpBrime]

Brrrr Thug Life! XD

[FakeKGB]

I wonder when Linus will run an RTX 3090 with a PCIe-capable Pentium 4.

[Skiiwee29]

NGL, LMG/LTT is partly responsible for the bad misrepresentation of the "8K" gaming... Anyone... anyone???

 

 

[SpiderMan]

3 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said:

NGL, LMG/LTT is partly responsible for the bad misrepresentation of the "8K" gaming... Anyone... anyone???

 

 

They want that clickbait title and views ya know!

[DJRWolf]

I do not think they can happen but due to my inexperience I thought I would ask.

 

Could an AMD AIB swap out the GDDR6 for GDDR6X?

[GDRRiley]

32 or 64gb of ram would make sense here

[Hymenopus_Coronatus]

43 minutes ago, DJRWolf said:

 

Could an AMD AIB swap out the GDDR6 for GDDR6X?

Probably not

[Streetguru]

1 hour ago, GabenJr said:

 

So how come you guys didn't test Radeon Image Sharpening/Radeon Boost Vs DLSS? I use it like all the time on my 5700 to do 4k stuff

[SolarNova]

3 hours ago, GabenJr said:

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Realistically for gaming.... 8k is only worth it in the 55" to 65" range. Any larger the PPI drops to less desirable levels, by which i mean u'd be better of with a smaller 4k display and sitting closer. Any smaller than 55  and you looking at PPI levels to high to make a difference at the suitable viewing distance. 8k at 88" is 100ppi, thats a little less than 27" 1440p level.

 

Also realistically speaking, 8k gaming performance is years away. The 3090 and 6900XT perform more or less the same as the GTX 780 did at 4k when it was launched.

Similarly at that time the 780 was touted as a 4k capable card.

Ofc we know better, 4k gaming only actually became possible in enough games when cards as powerful (or better) as the 1080ti came about, which was 4 years later.

Taking into account the 1080ti's somewhat anomalous performance compared to historic performance increases, i'd say we have at least another 5 years, at least 3 generations, before we see 8k gaming legitimately possible, and possible on actual consumer gaming cards, not these overpriced ,sort of Titan but not really, cards we have right now.

 

We havnt even hit 4k 144, or even 4k 120 yet, thats a marker for when a resolution has hit 'fully capable' and the next resolution up can start to be 'acceptable in more eye candy games.

[dogwitch]

1 hour ago, SolarNova said:

Realistically for gaming.... 8k is only worth it in the 55" to 65" range. Any larger the PPI drops to less desirable levels, by which i mean u'd be better of with a smaller 4k display and sitting closer. Any smaller than 55  and you looking at PPI levels to high to make a difference at the suitable viewing distance. 8k at 88" is 100ppi, thats a little less than 27" 1440p level.

 

Also realistically speaking, 8k gaming performance is years away. The 3090 and 6900XT perform more or less the same as the GTX 780 did at 4k when it was launched.

Similarly at that time the 780 was touted as a 4k capable card.

Ofc we know better, 4k gaming only actually became possible in enough games when cards as powerful (or better) as the 1080ti came about, which was 4 years later.

Taking into account the 1080ti's somewhat anomalous performance compared to historic performance increases, i'd say we have at least another 5 years, at least 3 generations, before we see 8k gaming legitimately possible, and possible on actual consumer gaming cards, not these overpriced ,sort of Titan but not really, cards we have right now.

 

We havnt even hit 4k 144, or even 4k 120 yet, thats a marker for when a resolution has hit 'fully capable' and the next resolution up can start to be 'acceptable in more eye candy games.

on top  of that i see no dev of games even use the standard for 4k or 8k. that used around the world with everything else related to it. but for games

[Strategic]

7 hours ago, SolarNova said:

Also realistically speaking, 8k gaming performance is years away. The 3090 and 6900XT perform more or less the same as the GTX 780 did at 4k when it was launched.

Similarly at that time the 780 was touted as a 4k capable card.

 

We havnt even hit 4k 144, or even 4k 120 yet, thats a marker for when a resolution has hit 'fully capable' and the next resolution up can start to be 'acceptable in more eye candy games.

Mmh, "years away". 5nm gpu's might already solve the problem, amd already promised that RDNA 3 will increase the performance per watt by 50% compared to RDNA 2. That would basically mean another 50% fps jump. As for ray tracing improvements and super sampling is going to be one big black box how much they will improve it with RDNA 3.

https://technosports.co.in/2020/11/13/amd-indicates-the-release-of-rdna-3-in-2021-claims-50-improved-performance-per-watt-over-rx-6000/#:~:text=According to the report%2C Radeon,about the benefits of both.

 

Ah well, I expect RDNA 4 (5nm+ in 2022/2023) and RDNA 5 (3nm in 2023/2024) to have big jumps in performance per watt. As for Nvidia it's a big question mark if they will speed up releasing every year instead of every 2 years and if they shorten it the question is whether Samsung or maybe if TSMC has some 5nm left for nvidia to release their gpu at the same time as AMD. In the end the consumer wins, I don't care for 8k gaming for myself. But I'm planning to switch over to 4k 144hz, I'm currently using 1440p 170hz (gigabyte M25Q, amazing monitor!) and a 4k 60hz LG monitor for watching movies. Believe me, you seriously can see a big difference between 1440p 27inch and 4k 27inch regarding aliasing and picture clarity (square blocks at edge), but I'm waiting for nvidia 4000 series/ RDNA 3 to replace my potato 1080 Ti, so I can double my fps (I hope by then, corona isn't a thing anymore that causes the extra gpu demand and production constraints by chip makers).

 

 

 

 

[LOST TALE]

I'd have switched to 4k 144hz a long time ago. gtx 670 could do 4k60 on all battlefield games (low with ultra textures and mesh). I tested it with virtual super res long ago.

 

DP 2.0 is taking forever to be adopted because everyone says you can't take advantage of 4k high refresh while runnign games on extreme +++ uber settings. Really a disservice to people who prefer functional clarity over eye candy.

[The1Dickens]

I can do 8K in Monster Hunter: World at 30 fps. At least running around the Gathering Hub. With all settings turned down to the lowest.

11 hours ago, GabenJr said:

Nvidia marketed the RTX 3090 as an 8K gaming GPU and received a lot of criticism for not REALLY being up for it.

Well, maybe not REAL 8K, but 7680 x 4320...

 

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[weeblord]

Video was pretty cool, but I was hoping to see how lesser cards (3070, 2060, even 1070) could do 8K just for shits and giggles.

[gal-m]

Nah, not really.

[SolarNova]

To those pointing out resolution viability by reducing graphical fidelity settings to low...

Stop.

That argument isnt valid.

 

Graphical fidelity settings matter more than resolution when your talking 1080p and higher.

its better to run a game at 1080p Very High/Ultra with 'basic' AA (as much as i hate low end AA)

than to run at 4k Low

Thus arguments like "my 'insert slow GPU here' can run 'insert game here' at 8k low and get 'insert playable fps here'", just dont fly.

 

Resolution helps, but graphical settings make more of an impact in visual fidelity. If a game has 6 settings ( Very low to Ultra), generally speaking if u set a game to 'very high' ull be getting the best quality:performance. You dont drop down to low/very low just to crank resolution up.

 

I'd also argue that running DLSS 8k, isnt running 8k. Thats like saying running 1080p + AA is equal to running a higher resolution.

Dont get me wrong, DLSS is a great form of 'AA', but its not native, And ofc it is proprietary to Nvidia.

 

[The1Dickens]

2 hours ago, SolarNova said:

To those pointing out resolution viability by reducing graphical fidelity settings to low...

Stop.

That argument isnt valid.

"That's just, like, your opinion, man."

[Broxxar]

Minor note on this video— Linus mentions that:

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the framebuffer alone...is nearly 128 megabytes

This is width × height × 32 bits-per-pixel. To support bloom and other HDR post processing effects like eye adaptation— a triple-A game is likely using an RGBA half precision framebuffer with 16 bits per color totaling 64 bpp. Tack on another 24 bits depth + 8 bits stencil, an RG16 buffer for velocity vectors, another 32bpp buffer for normals, maybe another for specular or whatever else. At 8k you would practically be pushing a full gigabyte per frame to get all the data needed to compose the final image. That's pretty wild and you're definitely stressing out that poor 128MB cache.

[dogtooth97]

What case is it in the video?

[progamer21]

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Nvidia marketed the RTX 3090 as an 8K gaming GPU and received a lot of criticism for not REALLY being up for it. Can AMD beat Nvidia at their own game with the Radeon RX 6900 XT and a good overclock?

 

 

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