EU "Right to Repair" legislation to go into force from March

[Souldust]

11 hours ago, eddiemcgarrigle said:

To think I could be benefitting from this if my country had not been dragged out of the EU by Westminster.

the public voted, it was fair, although in hindsight, we could have made a different choice

 

 

(not saying were wrong just we will see in time how this affects the UK and if we all end up looking like Russians under Stalin) 

[eddiemcgarrigle]

19 minutes ago, Souldust said:

the public voted, it was fair, although in hindsight, we could have made a different choice

 

 

(not saying were wrong just we will see in time how this affects the UK and if we all end up looking like Russians under Stalin) 

Not wanting to get too political here but - 

 

(Dis)United Kingdom made up of Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland.  Also not forgetting the protectorate of Gibraltar.

 

England voted leave - gets to leave EU.

Wales voted leave - gets to leave EU.

Northern Ireland voted remain - gets to stay in EU.

Gibraltar voted remain - gets to stay in EU.

Scotland voted remain - gets dragged out of the EU.

 

 

[AndreiArgeanu]

 

18 hours ago, Shepanator said:

Notably smartphones, tablets and laptops are not yet included, but computers, game consoles, and most types of household appliance are covered by the laws.

 

That's contradicting, tablets, smartphones and laptops are also technically computers.

 

18 hours ago, Shepanator said:

Starting in March most household appliances sold in Europe will have to comply to new rules making them easy to repair with basic tools. As well as this manufacturers will be required to provide spare parts within 15 days and make repair manuals available to independent specialists.

Also this seems to be over exaggeration, the only appliances where the manufacturer will be required to make their appliances repairable using commonly available tools and also provide replacement parts are household washers-dryers, refrigerating appliances, household appliances and electronic displays and televisions. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though.

List of energy efficient products Regulations: by product group

 

[Sauron]

18 hours ago, Shepanator said:

Notably smartphones, tablets and laptops are not yet included

and there goes 90% of the reason we needed this in the first place...

 

better than nothing I guess.

[Souldust]

32 minutes ago, eddiemcgarrigle said:

Not wanting to get too political here but - 

 

(Dis)United Kingdom made up of Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland.  Also not forgetting the protectorate of Gibraltar.

 

England voted leave - gets to leave EU.

Wales voted leave - gets to leave EU.

Northern Ireland voted remain - gets to stay in EU.

Gibraltar voted remain - gets to stay in EU.

Scotland voted remain - gets dragged out of the EU.

 

 

im not having a argument over weather it was right or wrong on the voting, but Scotland is considered UK mainland, and if the rest of the UK-mainland voted (ignoring Northern Ireland and Gibraltar as they are not mainland) leave, than it was considered fair (in that case it was a 2/3 votes and the majority wins)

[Shepanator]

7 hours ago, AndreiArgeanu said:

Also this seems to be over exaggeration, the only appliances where the manufacturer will be required to make their appliances repairable using commonly available tools and also provide replacement parts are household washers-dryers, refrigerating appliances, household appliances and electronic displays and televisions. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though.

 

Here's the list of products which the new laws apply to (linked in OP):

Quote

Domestic and service industry lighting products:

• Directional and non-directional lamps (including ultraviolet radiation)
• Fluorescent lamps (without integrated ballast)
• High-intensity discharge lamps
• Ballasts and luminaires able to operate such lamps

Electrical devices:

• Computers and servers
• Game consoles
• Simple/complex set-top boxes
• Standby for networked equipment
• Televisions

Household appliances:

• Cookers
• Dishwashers
• Freezers
• Refrigerators
• Tumble dryers
• Washing machines
• Vacuum cleaners

Heating and cooling devices:

• Air conditioners
• Heaters
• Comfort fans
• Heaters
• Industrial fans
• Local space heaters
• Solid fuel local space heaters
• Solid fuel boilers
• Ventilation units
• Water heaters

Other products:

• Circulators
• Electric motors
• Electric power consumption standby and off mode
• External power supplies
• Imagining equipment
• Power transformers
• Professional refrigeration
• Water pumps

 

 

Basically almost every household appliance is covered it seems. Also I think splitting hairs over smartphones technically being computers is being a bit pedantic, they obviously mean desktop computers. They are just using generic language, I'm sure if you dig into the legally binding text they would be a bit more specific. I edited the OP to make this more clear

[eddiemcgarrigle]

59 minutes ago, Souldust said:

im not having a argument over weather it was right or wrong on the voting, but Scotland is considered UK mainland, and if the rest of the UK-mainland voted (ignoring Northern Ireland and Gibraltar as they are not mainland) leave, than it was considered fair (in that case it was a 2/3 votes and the majority wins)

We are never going to agree on this but Scotland is a sovereign country within the framework of a supposed union of equals.  Scotland voted 2/3 to remain in the EU.

 

Now, let's get back to the tech.

[Dabombinable]

3 hours ago, GDRRiley said:

HP on my 2008, 2012 and 2018 all don't care when it comes to ram or drives

It was probably something planned, but HP realised that it'd result in them losing some big lawsuits.

[Dabombinable]

-double post-

[wamred]

Yeah, now this just needs to come over to America. Why does Europe get all the good laws lol?

[Quackers101]

1 minute ago, wamred said:

Yeah, now this just needs to come over to America. Why does Europe get all the good laws lol?

the EU is not fully owned by big tech and their money.

to the anti-repair sponsored money in the US, although things might slowely change.

From repair, to production?

[bcredeur97]

21 hours ago, GDRRiley said:

it shouldn't make anything cost more. screws should get cheaper if they make everyone use the same types.
I can see placing being pissed the got to stock parts. which will raise other costs

I was thinking more along the lines of how much does apple make from repairs going to them instead of others/self-service or customers buying new devices because a repair isn't worth it. 

This is extra money that they otherwise wouldn't have but their investors would expect them to make up the difference somehow.

[suicidalfranco]

22 hours ago, Sir Asvald said:

Great..as soon as UK leaves the EU

Just cause the EU does it doesn't mean that the UK can't do it, or will do everything opposite to what the EU does.

 

[GDRRiley]

2 hours ago, bcredeur97 said:

I was thinking more along the lines of how much does apple make from repairs going to them instead of others/self-service or customers buying new devices because a repair isn't worth it. 

This is extra money that they otherwise wouldn't have but their investors would expect them to make up the difference somehow.

fair. I know apple really would just like you to buy something new over fixing it

 

[bcredeur97]

29 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

fair. I know apple really would just like you to buy something new over fixing it

 

so would a lot of others. Corporate Greed. 

not saying it's right, just it'll cause a stir.

[Mark Kaine]

8 hours ago, Sauron said:

and there goes 90% of the reason we needed this in the first place...

yeah, this law does not really make sense, it's exactly those devices that are often unnecessary difficult to repair (glued in batteries, soldered ram, etc...) 

[Senzelian]

On 1/11/2021 at 5:28 PM, Shepanator said:

Notably smartphones, tablets and laptops are not yet included,

 The government* will never allow that. 

 

*Apple

[Dutch_Master]

2 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

 The government* will never allow that. 

 

*Apple

Ah yes. But in contrast to the US, Apple has not enough leverage in the EU to force their views in the EC and/or EP

 

So, in time, they'll have to comply or face being fined, repeatedly and for serious coin, or eventually banned from their most lucrative market. (EU may not be the biggest in numbers, India and China see to that, but in terms of disposable income, it is)

[StDragon]

8 hours ago, Quackers101 said:

the EU is not fully owned by big tech and their money.

to the anti-repair sponsored money in the US, although things might slowely change.

From repair, to production?

Yeah, it's mess here. And there's nothing political about that statement as I'm sure all sides would agree in regards to corruption.

That all said, the agriculture industry prizes old equipment as it's not locked down with DRM. In fact, I've been told it's going way up in value because maintaining old equipment is still cheaper than vendor lock-in. John Deere is not loved by many.

[DeScruff]

On 1/11/2021 at 11:58 AM, RejZoR said:

I know Lenovo is doing this really hardcore so you can't even replace WLAN module with some other as it'll just refuse to recognize it.

That is actually the norm with every laptop maker as far as I am aware.
HP laptops will flat out refuse to boot if you have a wireless chip that isn't on the whitelist. Some are even devilish enough that it isn't enough to be the same model, it also has to be labeled as a "HP replacement part".
I flat out hate that specially since the whitelist can just be full of absolute garbage wireless chips that all have driver issues. If your lucky someone on the internet will have made a hacked bios to remove the whitelist, but honestly unless its a Thinkpad the chances of that are slim.

I actually did install such a hacked bios onto my Thinkpad because I always had problems with the Centrino 6205, where if the download speed exceeded 54mbps it would start having noticeable DPC latency issues. - This essentially meant, that playing Youtube video the sound would constantly crackle, until the whole video was loaded. I put a Wireless AC card (AW-CB160H) and never had the problem again.

[StDragon]

2 minutes ago, DeScruff said:

That is actually the norm with every laptop maker as far as I am aware.
HP laptops will flat out refuse to boot if you have a wireless chip that isn't on the whitelist. Some are even devilish enough that it isn't enough to be the same model, it also has to be labeled as a "HP replacement part".
I flat out hate that specially since the whitelist can just be full of absolute garbage wireless chips that all have driver issues. If your lucky someone on the internet will have made a hacked bios to remove the whitelist, but honestly unless its a Thinkpad the chances of that are slim.

I actually did install such a hacked bios onto my Thinkpad because I always had problems with the Centrino 6205, where if the download speed exceeded 54mbps it would start having noticeable DPC latency issues. - This essentially meant, that playing Youtube video the sound would constantly crackle, until the whole video was loaded. I put a Wireless AC card (AW-CB160H) and never had the problem again.

Dell Latitude here. I was able to upgrade the WiFi (802.11ax) to a Killer 1650x. It's just a rebadged Intel AX200NGW.

 

Any vendor that signs hardware firmware to prevent consumer upgrade/repair should be shunned and blacklisted!

[RejZoR]

33 minutes ago, DeScruff said:

That is actually the norm with every laptop maker as far as I am aware.
HP laptops will flat out refuse to boot if you have a wireless chip that isn't on the whitelist. Some are even devilish enough that it isn't enough to be the same model, it also has to be labeled as a "HP replacement part".
I flat out hate that specially since the whitelist can just be full of absolute garbage wireless chips that all have driver issues. If your lucky someone on the internet will have made a hacked bios to remove the whitelist, but honestly unless its a Thinkpad the chances of that are slim.

I actually did install such a hacked bios onto my Thinkpad because I always had problems with the Centrino 6205, where if the download speed exceeded 54mbps it would start having noticeable DPC latency issues. - This essentially meant, that playing Youtube video the sound would constantly crackle, until the whole video was loaded. I put a Wireless AC card (AW-CB160H) and never had the problem again.

Laptops with Realtek WLAN cards are nightmare if you want to use Linux on it. Coz getting drivers is like mission impossible. But wait, you can't stick Intel WLAN in it coz of whitelist shit. Yay.

[starry]

41 minutes ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

Weird, I've never had issues replacing stuff on my old Acer, Asus, Dell and Samsung laptops. 

 

Are you people using secureboot?

Secure boot isnt the issue, it just straight up wont post without signed hardware. Also a lot of devices with this nonsense baked in also have no way of disabling secure boot, dooming it to go obsolete at the hand of windows.

 

I remember trying to replace a 5400rpm boot drive with no cache in an HP laptop with an SSD, it just wouldnt post, and instead spit out text on the screen along the lines of "this isnt verified hardware, also your mom is a ho".

 

I then tried to install linux to at least get something out of it, I couldnt disable secure boot, it just wasnt an option. The bios had like 3 settings. One of them was the system clock, and another was some kind of power management setting. Absolutely useless bios, and i have a feeling it was that way on purpose.

[DeScruff]

28 minutes ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

Weird, I've never had issues replacing stuff on my old Acer, Asus, Dell and Samsung laptops. 

 

Are you people using secureboot?

No, most of the laptops I fix tend to be pre-Windows 8 machines. Machines that used mini PCIe wifi cards. I haven't had to replace a M.2 wifi card yet.
Its certainly possible things have changed or that the laptops that have this whitelist, are the ones that tend to have problematic wifi cards. - Not like the average person ever thinks to upgrade their a wifi card unless the thing is going bad.

I used to read that manufacturers did this for FCC reasons... but that always sounded fishy to me since its not like desktops have whitelists, and I fail to understand how its a manufacturer's fault if customer modification alters a device to no longer follow FCC guidelines.