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Trudeau government promises to connect 98% of Canadians to high-speed internet by 2026

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9 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Lol if you go to any rural town you'll be paying $100/month for 1-10Mb/s. Starlink is going to be a godsend for these people

right now a friend of mine who lives in just about the middle of no where in a small farming town is getting 650mbps for the same price as me, its literally just comcast being money shlurping assholes

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2 minutes ago, Letgomyleghoe said:

right now a friend of mine who lives in just about the middle of no where in a small farming town is getting 650mbps for the same price as me, its literally just comcast being money shlurping assholes

I agree every telecom company is insanely greedy and unethical. I just recently found out huge partner on Youtube like Fullscreen are all owned by telecom companies like AT&T. 

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24 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Not that I actually live in this city but look on the map where Taupo is, yea that's 100% not 50km from the coast. Like many other towns and cities here.

Went to Taupo in 2008 for a couple of nights on KiwiEx. Stayed at the Base backpackers, went to Finns & what appears to be called Mulligans (although can't remember if it was still called that back then) and went to the Spa. Nice place.

 

 

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1 hour ago, poochyena said:

If its not true, then why don't they do it on their own?

 

means absolutely nothing. I could buy a 10 million dollar house and sell it for 5 million, giving me 5 million dollars in revenue, but you wouldn't say I was rich, would you?

I would.  You had a 5 million dollar house.

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35 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

I would.  You had a 5 million dollar house.

You'd call a homeless person with 5 million dollars in debt to be rich? yikes.

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41 minutes ago, poochyena said:

You'd call a homeless person with 5 million dollars in debt to be rich? yikes.

That could  totally not possibly be what happened.  As you well know. Buying a house for 10 million and selling it for 5 million does make -5million,  this much is true.   The only part.  Houses aren’t bought and sold anything like the way you are implying though.  Loans don’t work that way, real estate doesn’t work that way, mortgages don’t work that way.

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36 minutes ago, poochyena said:

You'd call a homeless person with 5 million dollars in debt to be rich? yikes.

Yeah, mostly because the analogy is weak. It operates on the assumption that the person that sold the home is automatically in debt because they sold it for a loss. It also operates on the assumption that they are somehow poor despite somehow convincing a bank to approve a loan for a 10 million dollar home, which requires that they had a solid income or equity to put up against the loan in the first place. If your entire analogy hinges on the premise that the person that sold their $10m home also lost their high paying job, the valuable assets they possessed that aided in the securing of their home loan AND that they paid none of that loan off prior to selling it for 5M dollars, then I'd say it's by definition, a very weak analogy. I feel like a ton of things would have to happen to make this analogy applicable to a real world scenario and I just don't see that happening, not without mistake after mistake being made, or Dan Aykroyd reprising his role from Trading Places.

 

2 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

Happens in cities too.  I got a friend who’s been watching cheap high speed internet approaching his block but not entering it for years.  He’s surrounded on two sides but it’s still unavailable to him. Apparently the issue is he’s just north of a park which causes problems.

Yeah... It's going to be a rough few months. My plan is to see if Frontier will let me buy a few 25Mbps connections and bond them together. It's still a far cry from the gigabit I've grown accustomed to, but beats some of the worst DSL connections. Spectrum offers Gigabit just a couple miles away in basically every direction, sadly it would cost around $60k to have a hub installed in my area according to the rep I spoke with. The catch 22 of living in the country is that you have no neighbors to deal with, but also no neighbors to chip in on getting fast internet brought to the area, lol.

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18 minutes ago, MageTank said:

Yeah... It's going to be a rough few months. My plan is to see if Frontier will let me buy a few 25Mbps connections and bond them together. It's still a far cry from the gigabit I've grown accustomed to, but beats some of the worst DSL connections. Spectrum offers Gigabit just a couple miles away in basically every direction, sadly it would cost around $60k to have a hub installed in my area according to the rep I spoke with. The catch 22 of living in the country is that you have no neighbors to deal with, but also no neighbors to chip in on getting fast internet brought to the area, lol.

I'm on 25Mbps (VDSL, fiber), that's what I had at my old place, and the house we bought had that service already connected, so just moving the service kinda made sense.

 

But it's super unstable in that house, I even made sure to change the wiring inside to only have a few feet before it went outside, isolated my network, etc.. it's really just a shit connection to my house. It can be fine for a week, while the bad days I'll have 3 disconnection a day. It's a pain, especially that I work from home and have to do and get calls on VoIP.

 

I'm switching to cable 100/30, unlimited, no cap, for only $5 more per month. Can't wait.

 

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36 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

That could  totally not possibly be what happened.  As you well know. Buying a house for 10 million and selling it for 5 million does make -5million,  this much is true.   The only part.  Houses aren’t bought and sold anything like the way you are implying though.  Loans don’t work that way, real estate doesn’t work that way, mortgages don’t work that way.

you are missing the forest for the trees

 

33 minutes ago, MageTank said:

It operates on the assumption

omg
no, the entire point is you can't make an assumption based on revenue.

 

35 minutes ago, MageTank said:

which requires that they had a solid income or equity to put up against the loan in the first place.

Guess the people loaning money to tech startups with 0 income weren't informed of that.

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2 hours ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

And I'm telling you the same legally allowed radios could have better range due to better coding and modulation, which leads to less errors, less interference, which allows for the reduction of guard bands, keeping the great performance. That's why we develop new stuff :D

If you change that then the clients also need to support it, but also the actual transmitting equipment does too which it won't without a firmware/software upgrade. And anything like that has to go back through the radio spectrum certification to be allowed to transmit it. All of this stuff is heavily regulated here, such is why what is being deployed is the best possible for the intended design and use case. The other good thing is the RBI towers aren't shared with mobile calling or data, they only service RBI 4G internet so connected station count is always very low.

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36 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

I'm switching to cable 100/30, unlimited, no cap, for only $5 more per month. Can't wait.

lol I read that as "only $5 per month".. 🤦‍♂️

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Just now, leadeater said:

lol I read that as "only $5 a month".. 🤦‍♂️

ah! I wish !!

 

Still, $50 CAD a month for 100/30 isn't that bad really (IMO)

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20 minutes ago, poochyena said:

you are missing the forest for the trees

 

omg
no, the entire point is you can't make an assumption based on revenue.

 

Guess the people loaning money to tech startups with 0 income weren't informed of that.

Re: you are missing the Forrest for the trees.

 

I would say it’s pretty much the exact opposite of that.
 The Forrest/tree analogy isn’t the best one to use, but to push it What I noticed is that the Forrest was not actually made of trees but of telephone poles so the chances of it successfully supporting a woodpecker population were near zero. 

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30 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

I'm on 25Mbps (VDSL, fiber), that's what I had at my old place, and the house we bought had that service already connected, so just moving the service kinda made sense.

 

But it's super unstable in that house, I even made sure to change the wiring inside to only have a few feet before it went outside, isolated my network, etc.. it's really just a shit connection to my house. It can be fine for a week, while the bad days I'll have 3 disconnection a day. It's a pain, especially that I work from home and have to do and get calls on VoIP.

 

I'm switching to cable 100/30, unlimited, no cap, for only $5 more per month. Can't wait.

 

https://linustechtips.com/profile/243728-wkdpaul/?status=281365&type=status

Sadly my only alternatives at this location is satellite internet, and I just don't know if I trust the idea of satellites from a latency perspective. The current owners have Frontier and claimed they had no issues, however they are much older and do not strike me as the "power user" type. I suppose if things don't work out well, we go with plan B, and run an extremely long CAT6 cable to my nearest neighbor with Spectrum and ask if I can borrow a cup of gigabit, lol.

 

5 minutes ago, poochyena said:

omg
no, the entire point is you can't make an assumption based on revenue.

 

Guess the people loaning money to tech startups with 0 income weren't informed of that.

I don't know. It's entirely possible that multiple people missed the point of your analogy, but I still feel it's pretty weak based on the premise alone. I am also not entirely certain that I understand your point on tech startups. I feel like someone might be confusing investing with lending. If a Tech Startup is going through the SBA, I guarantee you they'll still need collateral in the form of assets before they'll ever be considered. They take their risk management very seriously, lol.

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Well how could they do it?

 

Sateliites, sure for remote area's where no roads, no transmission lines are.

 

Fiber Optics where roads are and transmission lines, sure why not.

 

What are the costs associated with each.

Meanwhile, there are more then just some northern communities that have no potable water.

Their buildings are falling apart.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

Yup, that is the idea. EU-BR is backing the project, spectrum management agencies are aware and cooperating, Ericsson/Telefónica are commercial partners. :)

BR is about to go through brexit which may suck so very hard looking for more than well wishes from that direction may be over optomistic. 

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15 minutes ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

Brazil? Brexit? @_@

Ah.  too many countries that begin “br”. I get the sam problem with airport baggage tags. 
 

yeah Brazil != Britain

 

If Brazil still kind of applicable though.  They’ve been making those cash with rainforest slash and burn which leaves more or less wasteland behind it, and that’s got to run out eventually.  

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While I'm not an expert in government affairs, I'm somewhat confident that Canadian TelCos are already getting some kind of incentive/tax cuts/breaks or some under the table/closed doors type of treatment even before this.

 

So I'm doubtful it'll be successful seeing as how plenty of people get shitty service up and down the ladder regardless of how much you're paying the telecom for your service.

 

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1 hour ago, AkatsukiKun said:

While I'm not an expert in government affairs, I'm somewhat confident that Canadian TelCos are already getting some kind of incentive/tax cuts/breaks or some under the table/closed doors type of treatment even before this.

 

So I'm doubtful it'll be successful seeing as how plenty of people get shitty service up and down the ladder regardless of how much you're paying the telecom for your service.

 

The plan requires the telco to submit an application for an infrastructure project in an uncovered area to get that money, it's not like they're just signing a cheque of 1.75B to the telco.

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Having lived in a small town that didn't have great internet (if any internet at all), that's great news for them. Though, I'd really wonder how many small communities this is going to help. the 2% of Canadians that won't get access under that 98% is still almost 800,000 people. That's a lot of small towns.

 

I've seen some people say the government should be forced to set pricing, supply, etc. I don't agree with this at all. If you're going to do that, you're essentially running the business yourself, and as such, you should own the whole thing. I'm all for government oversight against monopolies etc, but that IMO is overstepping pretty heavily.

 

22 hours ago, williamcll said:

What is their definition of fast? I mean in comparison to Coaxial, Elon's Starlink in Canada is fast with 150Mbps download and 70ms latency.

You can get much faster speeds over cable.

22 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

That doesn't seem like enough money to do much of anything for this type of project?

It's not actually that much work. 35%+ of Canadians live in 3 metro areas, and almost 90% live within 100km of the US border (and thus, likely already have high speed internet, or it wouldn't be expensive to get it to them).

20 hours ago, thorhammerz said:

This. Have fun building on-the-ground infrastructure to link up those tiny communities sprinkled further north - it's mostly muskeg, forest, broken rocks, and tundra. It'd be more efficient to pay for a few extra satellites, but that would be categorized as efficient spending (i.e. not enough money flowing through the fingers of the bureaucrats / consultants / contractors).

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Most of the northern communities probably won't be serviced until much later. They make up such a small percentage of the population, they easily fall into that 2% that they can leave un-serviced and still meet their claims. TBH most people I know that live that far north couldn't give 2 shits if they have internet or not.

20 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

I’ve been in southern Canada in the Midwest. There’s this gigantic subterranean mountain range called the Canadian Shield. Incredibly hard pink granite.  Pokes out in a lot of places, and where it doesn’t there frequently isn’t much on top of it.  If they’ve got to lay cable in that it’s gonna be a bitch. 

You can run it on telephone poles. It doesn't have to be buried.

13 hours ago, Franck said:

Yes, very likely 50/10 to 50/50. I don't think it will be any higher download wise.

 

I wish we could have those extremely low prices here but the problem lay in the amount of clients. We do have 1/10 the US population for a very large country which drive infrastructure cost through the roof and us poor customer pay the price. for 75$ USD which translate to 98$ CAD you can barely get 50 mbps maybe 100 mbps. Oh yeah sure if you check the "first year new client" prices you can say oh but i pay 50$ CAD per month for that. yeah the first year. Once that year is passed the price bump by 30$ / month extra. I depend where you live. In vancouver for example they have incredibly low price compared to everywhere else. Go nova scottia and it's terrible, PEI not much better, Ontario in small cities far (2-3hr drive north) from toronto or ottawa as well.

Maybe if you're in a very rural area. I pay $60 for 600 down, and I think it's only another $50 a month for 1 gig. You can get 1.5 gig if you really want for like $165.

It also comes down to bargaining. If you haven't negotiated the pricing of your internet plan, you're doing it wrong.

12 hours ago, wkdpaul said:

Actually, when they say "high speed internet", they mean 50mbps down, 10 Mbps up, that's from the Gov page from the program itself, but as you said, they mention access, not affordability, so all an ISP has to do, is have a 50Mbps plan available (for 200$+ per month for exemple) and they would meet the criteria ;

https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/139.nsf/eng/h_00006.html

 

The last question on the FAQ pretty much explains it better, they're looking for a 100% coverage of 50/10Mbps internet speed, coverage doesn't mean it'll be affordable ;

 

IMO, affordable internet is more important than speed.

I think most people that live in smaller towns generally have much cheaper expenses anyway, so paying a little more for internet is a lot cheaper than paying the higher prices that go along with living in a city. Something most people seem to forget.

9 hours ago, BuckGup said:

I agree every telecom company is insanely greedy and unethical. I just recently found out huge partner on Youtube like Fullscreen are all owned by telecom companies like AT&T. 

I think that's true for most large corporations, they're mostly there to please investors.

7 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

That could  totally not possibly be what happened.  As you well know. Buying a house for 10 million and selling it for 5 million does make -5million,  this much is true.   The only part.  Houses aren’t bought and sold anything like the way you are implying though.  Loans don’t work that way, real estate doesn’t work that way, mortgages don’t work that way.

You could have paid that 10 million in cash. In which case the analogy works. Not everyone buys property with a mortgage.

6 hours ago, wkdpaul said:

ah! I wish !!

 

Still, $50 CAD a month for 100/30 isn't that bad really (IMO)

$50 actually sounds like quite a bargain.

5 hours ago, Orange1 said:

Well how could they do it?

 

Sateliites, sure for remote area's where no roads, no transmission lines are.

 

Fiber Optics where roads are and transmission lines, sure why not.

 

What are the costs associated with each.

Meanwhile, there are more then just some northern communities that have no potable water.

Their buildings are falling apart.

Those communities likely are in the 2%, not the 98%. And, frankly, small communities like that make less and less sense as time goes on.

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crazy how much effort and work it takes. 
 

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2 hours ago, dizmo said:

Having lived in a small town that didn't have great internet (if any internet at all), that's great news for them. Though, I'd really wonder how many small communities this is going to help. the 2% of Canadians that won't get access under that 98% is still almost 800,000 people. That's a lot of small towns.

 

I've seen some people say the government should be forced to set pricing, supply, etc. I don't agree with this at all. If you're going to do that, you're essentially running the business yourself, and as such, you should own the whole thing. I'm all for government oversight against monopolies etc, but that IMO is overstepping pretty heavily.

 

You can get much faster speeds over cable.

It's not actually that much work. 35%+ of Canadians live in 3 metro areas, and almost 90% live within 100km of the US border (and thus, likely already have high speed internet, or it wouldn't be expensive to get it to them).

Most of the northern communities probably won't be serviced until much later. They make up such a small percentage of the population, they easily fall into that 2% that they can leave un-serviced and still meet their claims. TBH most people I know that live that far north couldn't give 2 shits if they have internet or not.

You can run it on telephone poles. It doesn't have to be buried.

Maybe if you're in a very rural area. I pay $60 for 600 down, and I think it's only another $50 a month for 1 gig. You can get 1.5 gig if you really want for like $165.

It also comes down to bargaining. If you haven't negotiated the pricing of your internet plan, you're doing it wrong.

I think most people that live in smaller towns generally have much cheaper expenses anyway, so paying a little more for internet is a lot cheaper than paying the higher prices that go along with living in a city. Something most people seem to forget.

I think that's true for most large corporations, they're mostly there to please investors.

You could have paid that 10 million in cash. In which case the analogy works. Not everyone buys property with a mortgage.

$50 actually sounds like quite a bargain.

Those communities likely are in the 2%, not the 98%. And, frankly, small communities like that make less and less sense as time goes on.

Re: telephone poles

that would help, but it would still suck to do.  Shale granite is hard.  The problem with above ground lines is trees knock them over an animals build nests in the connection boxes and chew on things.  It would require continuous maintenance like all above ground wiring does.  Stuff usually ends up requiring a road be built.  I dunno if they still do corduroy roads in Canada.  Probably one of the last few places on earth that could spend logs like that. 

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5 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Re: telephone poles

that would help, but it would still suck to do.  Shale granite is hard.  The problem with above ground lines is trees knock them over an animals build nests in the connection boxes and chew on things.  It would require continuous maintenance like all above ground wiring does.  Stuff usually ends up requiring a road be built.  I dunno if they still do corduroy roads in Canada.  Probably one of the last few places on earth that could spend logs like that. 

Perhaps, but you do realize that the phone poles are already there, yes?

If there's someone living somewhere without phone poles, then they likely don't care about having internet either.

I don't really understand a lot of your points. It's like you're imagining a place that doesn't have infrastructure already in place.

Anywhere someone is living and wants internet already has road access.

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2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Perhaps, but you do realize that the phone poles are already there, yes?

If there's someone living somewhere without phone poles, then they likely don't care about having internet either.

I don't really understand a lot of your points. It's like you're imagining a place that doesn't have infrastructure already in place.

Anywhere someone is living and wants internet already has road access.

If telephone poles are up and being serviced it’s just a matter of hanging more wire. It also means they already can get DSL though, so there’s a good chance anyplace with telephone poles isn’t being considered. 

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