Ryzen 3000 to get a soldered IHS

[Bouzoo]

2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

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This'll have to do:

 

[RejZoR]

Aren't all Ryzens soldered?

[ravenshrike]

25 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

be a man and just run it without cooling while baking a steak on it

Clearly you eat steak at those fancy frou frou restaurants where they given you less food than seen in Africa during famines.

[LukeSavenije]

43 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Just throw it all in a tub of 3M novec

I'm voting for liquid helium

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

1 hour ago, VegetableStu said:

how would one delid that thing?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Somehow I managed to luck out twice when buying Intel.  Both my i5-2500 and my 5930K happened to have a soldered IHS.  I only started to pay attention to those things afterwards.  My next CPU will probably be a higher-end Ryzen 2, so it looks like I don't have to worry about TIM and delidding on that one either.  Yay!

[Trixanity]

Is there any confirmation on Picasso being soldered?

46 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Aren't all Ryzens soldered?

Not Raven Ridge.

[RejZoR]

But Raven Ridge is a low part mobile chip. I meant ryzens on desktop. All AM4's are soldered afaik.

[GoldenLag]

7 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

But Raven Ridge is a low part mobile chip. I meant ryzens on desktop. All AM4's are soldered afaik.

Nope. APU parts are paste. Thats why the APUs dont have the best temps

[Drak3]

2 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

This sounds good from one side, as paste is generally worse, but delitting will be a bit harder now.

Delidding has little benefit if the solder is half way decent, differences of a degree or two.

[sof006]

6 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

i mean, how would one delid that thing? o_o there's like SMDs along the perimeter of the inside of the lid

well there's the threadripper method, but i think this is getting waaaaay too involved

Basically you don't delid it. It would gain you little to no benefit due to it already being soldered.

[Jito463]

On 6/4/2019 at 4:56 AM, Quadriplegic said:

Or be a man and run direct die cooling.

People forget that prior to the Pentium 4 and Athlon 64, that's exactly what we did (and gosh darn it, we had the chips on our dies to prove it).

 

*EDIT*

Forgot to include a pic for reference.

Spoiler

An extreme example, but a good case for why heat spreaders became a thing (not the only reason, but still a reason).

Edited June 5, 2019 by Jito463
Added picture

[Brooksie359]

4 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

Nope. APU parts are paste. Thats why the APUs dont have the best temps

Yes but they are fairly inexpensive for what you get so it's not as big of a deal. 

[GoldenLag]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

Yes but they are fairly inexpensive for what you get so it's not as big of a deal. 

sure, but they are allready pasting everything, better temps on the APUs would just make them even better

[Brooksie359]

44 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

sure, but they are allready pasting everything, better temps on the APUs would just make them even better

It might be more difficult to do with it having a graphics portion of the APU. 

[Limecat86]

5 hours ago, Jito463 said:

People forget that prior to the Pentium 4 and Athlon 64, that's exactly what we did (and gosh darn it, we had the chips on our dies to prove it).

 

[Fnige]

11 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

tub of oil and make chips or something

what about using it to light up the stove-tops?

[Nowak]

11 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Aren't all Ryzens soldered?

The R3 2200G and R5 2400G are pasted.

[Trik'Stari]

I find myself curious as to the performance difference between stock with a water cooling block, and using a direct die cooling block after delidding.

[Drak3]

Just now, Trik'Stari said:

I find myself curious as to the performance difference between stock with a water cooling block, and using a direct die cooling block after delidding.

Actual performance is highly unlikely to change. Cooling performance is likely to be minor.

 

That was the trend with x99 and older mainstream Intel CPUs.

[Stefan Payne]

16 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Aren't all Ryzens soldered?

Ryzen CPU are, Ryzen APU are not (yet). 

Allegedly Picasso is also soldered.

15 hours ago, Trixanity said:

Is there any confirmation on Picasso being soldered?

Yes, there is.

Though not officially, only Pics from someone disassembling one.

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-3000-ryzen-5-3400g-and-ryzen-3-3200g-specs-overclock-detailed/

[leadeater]

32 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

I find myself curious as to the performance difference between stock with a water cooling block, and using a direct die cooling block after delidding.

Not sure about the smaller chips but it does a decent amount on big power hungry Skylake-X

 

 

102 vs 86 OC full load.

Edit:

Sorry think this is not correct for what you wanted, wasn't a delid LM vs direct die.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i9-7900x-overclock-ln2,5618-4.html (has stock, delid and direct die)

[Doobeedoo]

Yeah great news with this practice and neat being more dies.

[WereCat]

tbh, I pretty much expected this considering that previous Ryzens had soldered IHS (except APUs)