Some people seem to hate Linux

[Willpiam]

I don't know why but it seems that some people are more than just dismissive of Linux. I recently posted a comment on a floatplane video detailing my current OS setup. This is the comment I made:

 

Since we’re talking operating systems I’ll go ahead and share my OS setup. I use XUbuntu (ubuntu Linux with the XKFC(*meant to say XKCE) Desktop environment). As a collage student (in computer programming) I’m actually supposed to be using windows 10. However I get threw most days without touching windows. My laptop came with a HHD preloaded with Windows. I promptly bought an m.2 ssd and chucked xubuntu onto it. I also carry an external ssd with a windows 10 virtual machine on it.

If I have to use windows I do so in a vm. Usually this is because I’m writing C code and so code I write for Unix won’t work (without tweaks) on Windows (which is what my prof uses). I’m also supposed to be using Microsoft Visual Studio for C/C++ code and for that I also need windows. The only reason I ever boot into the hhd with Windows is to use this one stupid anti cheating browser my school uses for online tests. Apparently it knows when it’s in a vm and refuses to let you write your test.

Linux is so solid now that I only really boot into windows on my hhd once a month or so. And the only time I use that vm windows is to write C code. It’s actually working really well for me.

I’ve only really mentioned so far how I use Windows when I have to but I’d like to point out that most of what I do is in Linux and it’s smooth, painless, and looks really quite pretty!

I have a dock at the bottom of my screen just like a Mac (but more customizable) and I’ve even found software online to control my keyboards RGB. I’m not worried about getting a virus from that rgb software though because it’s code is on github for the whole world to review!

I game on Linux! Steam is apparently a lot faster to load on Linux. Doom (2016) is my go to so I was thrilled when the first proton announcement listed Doom as white!

I also make games (I have a game programming course I’m still very much just learning) in Unity! Blender would be nice to have on Linux. OH WAIT IT IS! Eclipse is what my prof makes us use for java development. Is it on Linux? Sure is baby! What about Spotify? WE GOT IT! Firefox? Yep! Chrome? We’ve got chromium which is essentially open source chrome. We’ve also got orical and tor!

Guys I use PIA VPN on my ubuntu laptop!

Are you a retro gamer?WE’VE GOT ALL THE EMULATORS!

There’s so much great stuff it’s really worth looking into this. To me it’s blatantly obvious that anyone still using windows 7 because they don’t like 10 need to jump the windows boat altogether.

Windows is only going to get more unstable, more malicious, and less secure as time goes on. It’s a pile of hot garbage. Its on development team can’t keep track of the mess they’ve created! Why does it seem that every setting page has two versions of the same thing baked into the OS? What’s up with registrie editing?

Jump ship. Come to Linux. We’ll be happy to have you.

 

I checked on that comment 10 hours later and it had 3 dislikes.  Now I know this is the internet and I shouldn't care so much about such things but this is making me feel kinda sore. I can't see how my comment could be anything but constructive. The only explanation I can think of is that people disliked it because it was "more Linux propaganda." In the video I commented on Linus mentioned another Linux video in the works. Maybe he could mention some of this disdain some people seem to have for Linux.

 

This isn't the first time I've witnessed people hating on windows. There seems to be a "Screw Linux" mentality in the mainstream tech area. I honestly don't understand it. Do people just not like hearing about it? Do people think Linux is something of a joke? 

 

I think a great video would be for Linus to review Linux the same way he reviews phones and laptops. Take somebody's daily driver away and swap it out for a Linux solution.  Check out /r/unixporn for an idea of how sweat a linux system can get!

 

Maybe I'm just a butt hurt Linux user. But I think there's a real discussion to be had here.

 

Sent From My Sic Ubuntu Laptop

 

[Shreyas1]

There aren't  many people  that use Linux, so I don't think such a video would appeal to many people. Such a video would probably be better for a smaller, more focused channel.

 

Also, some people just install their OS and forget about it. As long as they can play their games and use the internet, they don't care about/ don't want to take the time to switch their OS. 

 

 

[Neftex]

16 minutes ago, Willpiam said:

I’m not worried about getting a virus from that rgb software though because it’s code is on github for the whole world to review!

if this is your idea of secure software, youre naive af

 

now reasons why linux sucks? most games perform better on windows with less hassle to get them working. the second part is true for most things actually. when i install linux i usually cant use the first distro i choose because something isnt working properly

[Radium_Angel]

Linux is very user friendly....

...it's just picky about who its friends are 

 

With the advent of Steam play, gaming will be a solved issue under Linux, sooner or later. What the *nix world desperately needs is some large-scale user-oriented company to port their software over, like the Adobe CC...

[Wolly9102]

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Windows would have to be directly responsable for the death of a loved one

Please clarify this option

[Ashleyyyy]

for me it's too unstable. I got a linux machine to lock up a few weeks ago when I opened chromium while discord was open. 

[Dissitesuxba11s]

3 minutes ago, Wolly9102 said:

Please clarify this option

This is joke in case someone takes it seriously. Correlation doesn't imply causation.

[WereCatf]

30 minutes ago, Willpiam said:

and it had 3 dislikes

I can immediately spot several things for why someone might give a dislike for your comment, like e.g. " Windows is only going to get more unstable, more malicious, and less secure as time goes on." -- this is just idiotic and baseless railing at Windows. Your whole post reads just like typical Linux-advocate's post would, and then you proceed to tell people to "jump ship" and move to Linux.

 

It's one thing to talk about one's own experiences with the OS and what one sees as its strengths, and an entirely different thing to then start railing at other people's choices and placing yourself on a pedestal because of your choice of OS.

[Dissitesuxba11s]

But it will make me miss my report deadlines!!!   /s

[DildorTheDecent]

How do you know if someone is vegan uses Linux: They'll tell you about it.

[2SidedPolygon]

As another reason I'm not keen on switching, I'm not a big fan of the idea of screwing around with the command line.

[Sauron]

11 minutes ago, 2SidedPolygon said:

I'm not a big fan of the idea of screwing around with the command line.

I wasn't either until I tried it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ turns out for some things it's much more convenient. Then again the windows cmd kind of sucks, so I see why you may have had a bad experience with it. Powershell is an improvement, but I still wouldn't consider it particularly convenient compared to *nix shells (though that may be because I'm used to something different).

 

Regardless, you can avoid the command line in many Linux distributions if you want to - on something like Ubuntu you won't need to touch it any more than you would on Windows (unless you have driver problems, in which case I pity your sorry soul )

[WereCatf]

18 minutes ago, 2SidedPolygon said:

As another reason I'm not keen on switching, I'm not a big fan of the idea of screwing around with the command line.

3 minutes ago, Sauron said:

I wasn't either until I tried it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I never learned to dislike the command-line in the first place: when I started fiddling with computers, we didn't have GUIs!

 

[wasab]

57 minutes ago, Neftex said:

if this is your idea of secure software, youre naive af

 

now reasons why linux sucks? most games perform better on windows with less hassle to get them working. the second part is true for most things actually. when i install linux i usually cant use the first distro i choose because something isnt working properly

Only if you use if for the first time and isn't this true for all OS?

[wasab]

45 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

I can immediately spot several things for why someone might give a dislike for your comment, like e.g. " Windows is only going to get more unstable, more malicious, and less secure as time goes on." -- this is just idiotic and baseless railing at Windows. Your whole post reads just like typical Linux-advocate's post would, and then you proceed to tell people to "jump ship" and move to Linux.

 

It's one thing to talk about one's own experiences with the OS and what one sees as its strengths, and an entirely different thing to then start railing at other people's choices and placing yourself on a pedestal because of your choice of OS.

Windows definatly seems to bloat itself out and slows down as time goes on. I had clean install Windows 3 times within 3 months period the first time I had it installed on my custom built PC. 

[Guest]

I don't even know what's the point of this poll, I mean, when you say "I dislike Linux" what do you exactly mean? Because it's just the kernel, it's not like Windows where you get everything, like the windows explorer, music player, and you can't change it without any third party utility

Hating Linux just means you hate the kernel, uhm ok? So you hate also your android phone, etc... Do you understand what I mean here?
What you are referring about It's an entire community, and distribution projects, and the whole OS is made from programs from different developers around the world who can also be companies or not

Now if you hate some things about general things that happen on Linux desktop distributions it's still just incorrect, for example if you say you dislike there is no hardware support it's not the OS, linux kernel or distribution fault, it's not like Windows where it come and it says "Yo, there is my OS which comes preinstalled on your computer and it's supposed to work because the vendor made the drivers"

Would you really blame Apple for not being able to get MacOS working on regular PC's when you should hackintosh aka putting drivers on it? I don't think so

if a computer comes out with Windows preinstalled in mind and doesn't have drivers for Linux, you can only go telling hardware vendors to make drivers to it or tell people/developers/hackers to reverse engineer the windows driver (like for nvidia nouveau's driver or broadcom wifi ones)

Do you need to manually compile a driver on Android which uses Linux? I don't think so, it comes preinstalled

It is a distribution fault for example not having a driver that exist on other distributions or in the mainline kernel, and that's why distribution bug reports exist, it gets fixed, but it's totally fine since it's in the 1% market share, you wouldn't have that much issues if you are using common hardware or even better natively supported linux computers like Dell XPS developer edition, which exist and is everything plug&play even if you format it, even the touch screen

it's just that some linux fanboy told you "lol switch to linux idiot everything works here" and you get this mad if something doesn't work to you?
but again, why would you listen to people rather than understand what actually is?

Would you say Windows sucks if some device you are trying to set up works on MacOS and not on Windows because it doesn't have drivers?

It's pointless, you are either a Windows fanboy just trying to spit out bad things you do not like as usual or do not understand how to correctly compare them

I mean, you either be a fanboy when saying "I hate this because it's an OS without drivers and I can't get my thing to work, like the OS said it would"
What? When did Linux said to be a Windows replacement and that it's supposed to work on everything?
It just can't
Linux it's just what it is. If it is supported, use it. It's not supposed to work on everything without vendor intervention in some cases, if Adobe doesn't make its suite and you say "Linux doesn't have programs then it sucks" you are just saying "there is no developer which develops for linux, than I blame the fact it's so less used than Windows" which is basically a chicken and egg paradox anyway, but really, wtf? it is really that hard to understand?? People just blaming the OS probably do not even know what the actual reason is

I don't know where the all this brainwash comes from, for the record I'm not even a Linux user on my desktop, I don't use if because I can't play all the games I can on Windows, but for this reason I'm not blaming Linux, I use it on my laptop when I work and program for example, now I could say I hate "This specific linux code of the kernel sucks" and even in this case you could blame a developer which is arrogant and does not want to fix it or change things, how you could blame a community project? You can change or ask other people to do that, with no problems if you do not like it in most of the cases, you could blame it for bad designs for example ALSA and pulseaudio and in this case for ALSA you can say Linux audio sucks, because the developers already know that and did almost nothing in all those years and prefer to workaround things.

Back to earlier, It's not like Linux developer do not want or have not the will to support every desktop and device in the world.
I'm just saying most of people criticism is not right, and it is not a "Linux OS" fault.

You want to see how a good "I hate linux it sucks" statement is? (most of them, this article is a little flamebait)
https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html

Windows comes as a proprietary, big OS, and it's an entire, completely different thing you can't modify, or you could ask them for some changes, and if they don't listen to you, then it's legit to say it sucks, because there couldn't be any other project to legally replace it, another example is Windows Updates, then I could say dislike Windows itself, because it comes out with it preinstalled and I can't modify it

Another example, if I hate a desktop environment would you say "I hate linux" or "I hate KDE?"

If you are going to compare Linux to Windows you need to be really more specific, because it's so generic that it wouldn't make that much sense

Just because there are different people who only say it sucks, uhm ok?

They wouldn't even say for example "I hate the fact most linux desktops do not have what I need if you compare it to Windows one" which would this be considered a decent criticisms but just "lol linux sucks lmao windows everything works because that's what I've been using for 10 years"

You are legit to say you hate something when it really couldn't be otherwise, and it's really their blame, like I hate Xfce project because I got contact with the developer and did not wanted to make something that will automatically disable desktop effects when games are opened leading to bad performance if , and it was the main developer. Now I could fork it, but in this case doesn't make sense. Doesn't come with every Linux OS so it doesn't make sense to say "Linux sucks"

Or I hate GIMP because since idk how many years it's still not new user friendly even though people already criticized it
I do not want to start a flame war on it, but I couldn't use either GIMP or Photoshop, but think photoshop is more intuitive, so I hate GIMP. or "typical Linux most common open source graphic editing program"
 

1 hour ago, 2SidedPolygon said:

As another reason I'm not keen on switching, I'm not a big fan of the idea of screwing around with the command line.

Screwing around where exactly? You do not have to use the command line everytime
 

1 hour ago, Neftex said:

now reasons why linux sucks? most games perform better on windows with less hassle to get them working. the second part is true for most things actually. when i install

linux i usually cant use the first distro i choose because something isnt working properly

So you hate the fact people are trying a way to get Windows native games to work on a completely different and unsupported OS, and only god knows how much work and effort it required, and released their software an an alpha like wine and DXVK, so you blame the entire OS which could be perfectly fine for others? Interesting

Really, you people do understand how to compare two OS in it's best, just because most of Linux native games are ported badly from Windows (which happens on MacOS too) does it mean Linux suck?
It's just the developer does not want to, you can either decide if you feel personally offended to blame the developer for an 1% market share OS but personally I won't

For the record, in the last year it's only a click to install games wine and without all the manual effort required with Lutris

Edited March 6, 2019 by Guest

[Willpiam]

1 hour ago, Neftex said:

if this is your idea of secure software, youre naive af

 

now reasons why linux sucks? most games perform better on windows with less hassle to get them working. the second part is true for most things actually. when i install linux i usually cant use the first distro i choose because something isnt working properly

That's not my idea of secure. But its irrefutable that if you know what the code looked like before it was compiled that's way more secure than downloading mystery.exe from some site. Obviously it doesn't help much if you examine the source code but download it precompiled. I'm specifically talking about downloading source code from github to compile it yourself. (Which A. isn't hard and B. Only necessary when you want to use some program less formal or something non corporate. 

 

 

[WereCatf]

2 minutes ago, wasab said:

Windows definatly seems to bloat itself out and slows down as time goes on

Could just as well just be whatever crap you've installed on it. At least I'm still running the same install I did two years ago and I ain't seeing any reason to do any clean install.

[Sauron]

1 hour ago, Willpiam said:

I think a great video would be for Linus to review Linux the same way he reviews phones and laptops. Take somebody's daily driver away and swap it out for a Linux solution.  Check out /r/unixporn for an idea of how sweat a linux system can get!

I don't think that's a great idea - first of all many of Linus' employees work with Adobe products, which don't work (well) on Linux. Secondly, the comment section would be a mix of the following:

"Linux sucks, it can't run gamez"

"LOL Noobuntu? Use gentoo or gtfo"

"Can you review [insert distro] next time?"

"OMG at minute 10 [that thing you couldn't manage] is so easy, you just need to copy and paste these 15 commands!"

 

In short, I doubt there's anything to gain - those who were going to use Linux already do, and those who don't are unlikely to change their mind after such a video. Also, I wouldn't expect Linus or anyone in his crew to spend the time and effort required for a proper "rice" and, besides, there's probably more value for his audience in reviewing the "out of the box" experience.

7 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

I never learned to dislike the command-line in the first place: when I started fiddling with computers, we didn't have GUIs!

Heh, the earliest memories I have of using a computer were with windows 95, and by the time I could read we had 98 and 2000 (in dual boot lol).

[WereCatf]

8 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Use gentoo

Been there, done that! For a couple of years, actually!

 

But then ditched Linux on the desktop later on and went back to Windows.

[JoostinOnline]

People probably disliked your comment because it's so biased. Even your survey is incredibly biased. Fanboys aren't nearly as likeable as they seem to think.

 

It could also be the very poor grammar.

[wasab]

19 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

Could just as well just be whatever crap you've installed on it. At least I'm still running the same install I did two years ago and I ain't seeing any reason to do any clean install.

My hard drive has nothing but porn. Why is it slowing down mate? 

[WereCatf]

1 minute ago, wasab said:

My hard drive has nothing but porn. Why is it slowing down mate? 

Must be because all the tiny data-gnomes inside have..... their hands full.

[Franck]

1 minute ago, WereCatf said:

Must be because all the tiny data-gnomes inside have..... their hands full.

Nah, he's a dev. He's forgetting he has 6 billions third party libs installed here and there in sys32 and custom boot to load half of those at startup...... Plus 10+ HP printer drivers / softwares.

[Willpiam]

1 hour ago, Wolly9102 said:

Please clarify this option

Well I used humor to create a hypothetical situation in which one would switch to Linux due to windows being directly responsible for the death of a family member.

 

BTW: I wasn't going to create a poll. I just learnt of the option and wanted to try it. Unfortunately you can't edit them once you post.