ces2019 Gender-Bias at CES 2019?

[Ravens]

Apparently CES 2019 rescinded an award and blocked a company from showcasing the robotic Ose sex toy for women, further calling it vulgar, immoral, etc, yet in past and at the current CES they have allowed male focused sex products to be showcased and have given out awards to in the past (i.e. sex robots and toys for men, VR Porn for men, etc).

Link to the original news story: https://venturebeat.com/2019/01/08/lora-dicarlo-says-ces-wrongly-rescinded-award-for-micro-robotic-sex-toy/

Link to one from the BBC (Caution: be a bit gender rhetoric heavy compared to the above link): https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46809807

 

Overall, it sounds like some gender-bias to me, for them to allow male focused sex products at CES and have given awards for in the past years and still currently allow even this year in 2019 there's other sex toys and the usual VR porn demos at CES, however block a female focused product, even one whom the CES 2019 judges vetted/reviewed and were going to give an award to based on it's robotic tech, especially since it was made in partnership with Oregon State University's Robotics and Engineering department as this device uses innovative micro-robotic "mimicry" to mimic the feeling of various parts of the human body. 

 

This is something I think may be worth a mention on The WAN Show if there's one about news surrounding CES 2019.

 

P.S. For those who think CES blocked this product simply because they want to not have adult products at CES anymore... this year's CES showcases a vibrator for men called Tentuo, company Naughty America is utilizing AR to overlay Stripper Poles into your environment along with "holographic" strippers to occupy those poles, there's an Apple Watch powered vibrator for ladies which a male partner has control over, then there's also the yearly showcased VR Porn booths/experiences, and one of the exhibitors were literally shuttling men off to one of the nearby legal vegas brothels for an Alexa/Amazon Echo powered porn experience. So in otherwords, if it's for males and made by males, it's A-OK at CES.

A bit of insight to this year's sex toys at CES 2019: https://phys.org/news/2019-01-sex-toys-vegas-tech.html however there's a lot more begin shown at CES this year than what this article is focusing on.

[dizmo]

I saw this. Seems stupid. Not surprised, either, if we're honest.

Males just afraid of being further replaced by machines. Just get better at your craft, lads.

 

Welcome to the forum.

[PlayStation 2]

Just now, dizmo said:

I saw this. Seems stupid. Not surprised, either, if we're honest.

Males just afraid of being further replaced by machines. Just get better at your craft, lads.

 

Welcome to the forum.

Women are inferior.

See: traps

[Bigbootyjudy]

While Twitter will be Twitter I don't know what to think. The judges "reviewed" the product then probably pulled a LinusxRazer CES move and stole the product so that it can't be showcased and kept it to themselves .

 

/s

[givingtnt]

Just now, handymanshandle said:

irony 

what's the irony here exactly ?

[Arika]

without knowing the real reason behind it i'm going to reserve judgment. BBC and Buzzfeed has been known for omitting things (see: making shit up) in their articles to fuel outrage. which makes me think that the issue was not simply because it was for women.

 

Regardless it seems stupid to ban such a thing (IF what is being reported is true) given than the age restriction to enter the show floor is 18.

 

Edit: Also who the hell are these women that think sex toys are empowering? I mean i know some of them are "powered" sure, but to say a vibrator is EMPOWERING is a bit of a stretch (pun unintended but deliberate)

[dizmo]

7 minutes ago, handymanshandle said:

probably

who the hell knows, probably @pinksnowbirdie

I've told you before. I find his opinion biased and suspect.

2 minutes ago, Arika S said:

without knowing the real reason behind it i'm going to reserve judgment. BBC and Buzzfeed has been known for omitting things (see: making shit up) in their articles to fuel outrage. which makes me think that the issue was not simply because it was for women.

 

Regardless it seems stupid to ban such a thing (IF what is being reported is true) given than the age restriction to enter the show floor is 18

From the article I read this morning their reasoning for disallowing it was that they didn't have a category that it fit into.

They'd already gotten the award. They took it back because for moral reasons, as well as the one given above.

[Arika]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

They took it back because for moral reasons

did they happen to make mention of what the moral reason was. simply not fitting into a category is a bit flimsy.

 

vibrators can generally can find something/somewhere to fit in (please stop me)

[PlayStation 2]

2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

I've told you before. I find his opinion biased and suspect.

hey don't discount him because he's my so

[Eaglerino]

18 minutes ago, dizmo said:

I saw this. Seems stupid. Not surprised, either, if we're honest.

Males just afraid of being further replaced by machines. Just get better at your craft, lads.

 

Welcome to the forum.

kinda late considering feminists were complaining sex robots would replace women first

[lewdicrous]

3 minutes ago, Eaglerino said:

kinda late considering feminists were complaining sex robots would replace women first

[Ravens]

9 minutes ago, Arika S said:

BBC and Buzzfeed has been known for omitting things

It's also made it's rounds through other outlets, Fortune, Guardian, Forbes, PR Newswire, NY Magazine, Business Insider, Huffington Post, etc. I just happened to just link the BBC news article. But feel free to look up the many others. 

 

 

[Ravens]

29 minutes ago, dizmo said:

From the article I read this morning their reasoning for disallowing it was that they didn't have a category that it fit into.

They'd already gotten the award. They took it back because for moral reasons, as well as the one given above.

The counter-argument to that claim that the CES official made, was the fact that the male sex toys in the past were given awards under the various categories they have at CES. IMO the robotic category it was under makes sense since it is microrobotic tech and was made with a partnership with Oregon State University robotics researchers.

 

Furthermore, "the took it back for moral reasons" holds no water when you consider that CES have given awards to male focused sex products; sex robots and sex entertainment products for men. 

 

Plus not only did the CES officials take away their award, they took away the company's space and banned their product from being showcased, even though they still allow male focused sex products to be showcased at CES..

 

While I can somewhat understand their taking away the award if it was unfortunately in the wrong category, and should have instead been under a health and well being category or whatever category the male sex products were under that won awards at past CES events, what I can't understand is CES going a step further and blocking the company from showcasing their product at CES then worse of all, going out of their way to further insult the company by calling their product immoral, vulgar, etc, yet they literally allow sex robots and other various male sex products to be showcased at CES and have zero issues with that. This fact alone here is some clear evidence of gender-bias imo.

 

Lastly to add, this year at CES 2019, one of the CES exhibitors are literally shuttling men to one of Las Vegas' legal brothels to showcase an Amazon Echo powered video-sex experience.

[handymanshandle]

Well I mean, it's not like guys can't use that sex toy either I presume. So I don't see why it was made the company get banned.

[handymanshandle]

22 minutes ago, handymanshandle said:

hey don't discount him because he's my so

yeah @dizmo :^)

[poochyena]

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CES organiser the Consumer Technology Association, which granted the award, said it had included the device by mistake and could withdraw any immoral or obscene entry at any time.

"immoral or obscene"
wut. Are they 12? Its just a sex toy

 

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'Why is CES threatened by empowered women and the products that empower them?" wrote one user.

'CES is literally one big sex toy for men and that's always been OK,' said another.

Those comments don't even make sense. What woman empowered product was being introduced? Does she know what the word literally means?

[Spotty]

1 hour ago, Ravens said:

Link to the news story: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46809807

Uhh

So CES said to this company that they didn't have a product category for this product at this years show...

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But, in a statement on the Lora DiCarlo website, Ms Haddock cites several examples of other female-oriented products included in the award category the vibrator was in.

"Two robotic vacuum cleaners, one robotic skateboard, four children's toys, one shopping companion robot - looks like all of women's interests are covered, right?" she said.

I love how the woman crying sexism and discrimination is using the argument that CES is featuring robotic shopping assistants and robotic vacuum cleaners as examples of that "women's interests" are covered by the show.

 

I guarantee you that this company knew that their product wouldn't be featured at CES 2019, and never actually intended for it to be featured. My bet is they just did this entire thing to manufacture controversy as a publicity stunt to get more attention for their product and drive sales from pissed off feminists.

 

I don't know of any sex robots that have been featured at CES in previous years that this article claims, or if any are currently featured in CES 2019, but in my opinion they don't belong at CES either.

There is an annual sex toy and adult industry trade show in Vegas. That would be a more appropriate place to showcase items like this.

[Ravens]

20 minutes ago, Spotty said:

I don't know of any sex robots that have been featured at CES in previous years that this article claims, or if any are currently featured in CES 2019, but in my opinion they don't belong at CES either.

Google search is your friend, rather than claim "I dont know of any [insert words here] that have been featured at CES in previous years"

 

Also excluding adult entertainment products from CES isn't something CES should do, since many adult entertainment innovations falls well into the electronics space.. especially when you consider things such as VR Porn and the innovations with porn experiences that are very current-tech centric. Plus the amount of real engineering, research and development that go into some of these various products are far more worthy of merit than just a boring refresh of some previous tech product that are featured year after year at CES that isn't really innovative in it's field (i.e. a boring Intel refresh of a graphic chipset no one really wants or asked for).

 

https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/oregon-startup-lora-dicarlo-raises-1-1-million-for-revolutionary-new-sex-tech-product/

 

Overall, it's an 18 and older event, and obviously sex focused products shouldn't be on the main show floor, but just relegated off to a side as it has been for years now with the past adult product exhibits at CES.

[Swes]

Without more info it’s a tough call, there’s always more to a story . Heck who knows maybe CES is trying to tone down porn/Sex toy tech and this booth was first on the chopping block for some reason to do where the booth was. 

 

I mean if was trying to sell robotic vaccums next to a vibrator demo or a VR porn setup I might be annoyed ..... 

 

i wouldnt be suprised either way if it was a case of some unconscious or conscious  sexism or if this some sort of buzzfeed BS or even all of the above ...... how can you tell? If some other booth with male orientated toys was canned I don’t think we would see so much news about it so what reference do we have? 

[Ravens]

4 minutes ago, Swes said:

maybe CES is trying to tone down porn/Sex toy tech

This year's CES does still feature products from the various male-focused sex companies, such as the VR porn demonstration booths as they have every year over the past few years now, and there's some other various random sex toys at CES, such as an Apple Watch connected sex toy (vibrator) which your partner controls, etc..

 

The only main difference between those products, products showcased in the past, and the female one that was banned. Is this product is essentially made by women for only women, unlike the other adult products at CES which are made by men for men or made by men for use by women but intended to be controlled by a male partner.

 

"CTA officials have traditionally been fine with sex tech firms showcasing their latest toys and gadgets."

 

The more you look into the topic, when you get past the gender-bias rhetoric, etc, to me it sounds more like some high-official at CES just had an issue with a female-focused sex product and/or thinks female-solo focused sex products are too taboo, even still in this day and age, but absentmindedly forgot that CES had and has male-solo focused sex products currently shown at CES, and possibly wasn't reminded about this until after the fact.

[Swes]

15 minutes ago, Ravens said:

The only main difference between those products, products showcased in the past, and the female one that was banned.

That’s my point though we don’t know. I do agree it may have been as simple as a CES exec banned it absentminded but I also wouldn’t be surprised if the company “snuck” into a part of the floor that was supposed to be say female designed products or something with all sorts of tech products like who knows say a robot vacuum or something and somebody gets upset and the booth gets canned who knows . I’ve seen so much BS from basically blatant quid pro quo harassment (from male and females mind you) to fake accusastions and stories from all sides unless you were there it’s best to not get an opinion too quickly

 

I sure wish I did  know what happened because if you can’t handle a female succeeding due to your issues with their gender you have serious issues and need at least have your ass sat down for some training but honestly buzz feed/verge/dailydot etc have so little credibility in my book till I get an official statement from CES I have no inclination to believe anyone which I think is the real sad story here..........

[Noctus]

31 minutes ago, Ravens said:

This year's CES does still feature products from the various male-focused sex companies, such as the VR porn demonstration booths as they have every year over the past few years now, and there's some other various random sex toys at CES, such as an Apple Watch connected sex toy (vibrator) which your partner controls, etc..

 

The only main difference between those products, products showcased in the past, and the female one that was banned. Is this product is essentially made by women for only women, unlike the other adult products at CES which are made by men for men or made by men for use by women but intended to be controlled by a male partner.

 

"CTA officials have traditionally been fine with sex tech firms showcasing their latest toys and gadgets."

 

The more you look into the topic, when you get past the gender-bias rhetoric, etc, to me it sounds more like some high-official at CES just had an issue with a female-focused sex product and/or thinks female-solo focused sex products are too taboo, even still in this day and age, but absentmindedly forgot that CES had and has male-solo focused sex products currently shown at CES, and possibly wasn't reminded about this until after the fact.

Were both of those emboldened statements in my quote exclusively marketed at CES for males? Since they can quite easily be used for both sexes, so would seem pointless having them as an example.

[Swes]

2 minutes ago, Noctus said:

Were both of those emboldened statements in my quote exclusively marketed at CES for males? Since they can quite easily be used for both sexes, so would seem pointless having them as an example.

Who knows ? I would seem to think they’re for both. Part of the reason why I have some skepticism over the story . As far as I’ve been able to find online it’s just regurgitated over and over the fact they withdrew the award , there’s other sex related tech at CES thus CES is terrible and should feel bad. I’m hoping to hear an official statement to see what happens .

[Guest]

Sounds like someone was a little jealous of the vibrator. 

[Swes]

6 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

Sounds like someone was a little jealous of the vibrator. 

Most likely theory I’ve heard yet