How to get the community's opinion about my idea without getting it stealed?

[Laniakea]

I have an idea, plan, invention, sort of... But how do I get people's opinion, their suggestions without my idea being stealed??? Do I get a patent??? I mean the idea is even not setteled yet so I can't. And not even mentioning that I absoloudley don't have money for that. Like a new thing in nanotechnology or or something about passanger planes that a plane company can easily implement and won't even hesitate. Rain your thoughts!! It can be an important topic.

[2FA]

If it's a solution to a problem, ask people if they experience the problem and if they would want a solution. Include vague details that may help if you want.

[Laniakea]

Just now, 2FA said:

If it's a solution to a problem, ask people if they experience the problem and if they would want a solution. Include vague details that may help if you want.

No it's an invention, like iphone 1 or PC. How do I do that?

[2FA]

Just now, LOLLIPOPSJSJSJ said:

No it's an invention, like iphone 1 or PC. How do I do that?

Depending on complexity, it would be hard to replicate unless you got really detailed.

[Laniakea]

On 4/25/2018 at 11:00 AM, 2FA said:

Depending on complexity, it would be hard to replicate unless you got really detailed.

Or think of it like inventing the touchscreen. They'll make it around and eventually it will become stolen.

 

If I say "hey I have an idea, you will be able to use your computer without the need of a mouse but I don't wanna give so many details." they will invest in that technological area and workaround it like they invented it. Hopefully I made it clear.

[Eduard the weeb]

get a copyright law or have proof you came up with it, this happened to the game Exploding Kittens they posted to Go fund me if I'm correct the game HAHA exploded and someone filed copyright, the only reason they got it back was because they had proof they had come up with the idea before the copyright was filed

[Razor Blade]

At least in the USA, copyright and patent protect different things. Your idea could be copyrighted so even if someone makes a product based on the idea they either have to buy the copyright or pay you.

[Laniakea]

2 minutes ago, Eduard the weeb said:

get a copyright law or have proof you came up with it, this happened to the game Exploding Kittens they posted to Go fund me if I'm correct the game HAHA exploded and someone filed copyright, the only reason they got it back was because they had proof they had come up with the idea before the copyright was filed

How do I get a copyright of a thing that doesn't exist?? And money for copyright though I talked about it. It is a concept, not a thing yet. Like if I say I will invent a thing that can fly, has two wings and can carry people but I'm not sure about the details, how does it work?

[Razor Blade]

2 minutes ago, LOLLIPOPSJSJSJ said:

How do I get a copyright of a thing that doesn't exist?? And money for copyright though I talked about it. It is a concept, not a thing yet. Like if I say I will invent a thing that can fly, has two wings and can carry people but I'm not sure about the details, how does it work?

You need to submit the right paperwork including very detailed descriptions of how everything works. That's why it would be a good idea to have someone that knows copyright laws help you.

[Eduard the weeb]

2 minutes ago, LOLLIPOPSJSJSJ said:

How do I get a copyright of a thing that doesn't exist?? And money for copyright though I talked about it. It is a concept, not a thing yet. Like if I say I will invent a thing that can fly, has two wings and can carry people but I'm not sure about the details, how does it work?

https://goodinaroom.com/blog/how-to-copyright-protect-your-ideas/ 

[Laniakea]

1 minute ago, Razor Blade said:

You need to submit the right paperwork including very detailed descriptions of how everything works. That's why it would be a good idea to have someone that knows copyright laws help you.

That was very helpful thanks

 

1 minute ago, Eduard the weeb said:

https://goodinaroom.com/blog/how-to-copyright-protect-your-ideas/ 

I'll ofcourse google what copyright is if the right thing is to start with a copyright. I just want to open a topic in this forum or like write an article about it and communicate with people. Is the copyright ultimade solution? And the only one?

[AshleyAshes]

ITT: People don't know the difference between copyright and patent. >.>

[Blasteque]

1 hour ago, 2FA said:

If it's a solution to a problem, ask people if they experience the problem and if they would want a solution. Include vague details that may help if you want.

Start with this.  Once you have a small group of people that seem knowledgeable about the basic subject or show particular interest in the basic idea, then you can contact them with a private message and exchange an NDA.  This is the only way be to completely sure without going through the hassle of a patent or a copyright.

 

(As @AshleyAshes alluded to above, copyrights and patents have specific uses, though there is some overlap.  When it comes to inventions, copyrights are generally only useful for a specific implementation (for instance: a tire tread pattern can not be patented as it would infringe on the tire patent, but the tread pattern can be copyrighted).  A patent would be used for the first/more generalized invention.  Bottom line: if you get the people involved on an NDA, you can deal with the patent later.)

[Laniakea]

44 minutes ago, Blasteque said:

Start with this.  Once you have a small group of people that seem knowledgeable about the basic subject or show particular interest in the basic idea, then you can contact them with a private message and exchange an NDA.  This is the only way be to completely sure without going through the hassle of a patent or a copyright.

 

(As @AshleyAshes alluded to above, copyrights and patents have specific uses, though there is some overlap.  When it comes to inventions, copyrights are generally only useful for a specific implementation (for instance: a tire tread pattern can not be patented as it would infringe on the tire patent, but the tread pattern can be copyrighted).  A patent would be used for the first/more generalized invention.  Bottom line: if you get the people involved on an NDA, you can deal with the patent later.)

The bad thing is that people that would look knowledgeable about that subject are only gonna be scientists, or have a lot of experience about nanotechnology. And I think it is a new thing too, soo go patent?

[Yoinkerman]

Kid that's not how inventing works.  You don't come up with a "nanotechnology" concept and claim its the next sliced bread and that everyone's going to steal it.

[Laniakea]

1 minute ago, Yoinkerman said:

Kid that's not how inventing works.  You don't come up with a "nanotechnology" concept and claim its the next sliced bread and that everyone's going to steal it.

I'm sure you don't know what I'm thinking about so I don't blame you

[Real_PhillBert]

I'm gonna be honest with you, and you wont like it; unless you're loaded, don't bother. 

 

Lets assume your idea is new, unpatented and groundbreaking; can you afford to get it patented? Figure between $10,000 and $20,000 to get a patent. And if you can afford to get it patented, can you afford to defend it when someone with virtually unlimited resources decides to build it anyway? If you answered either of the previous questions with "no," you shouldn't bother. I'm sorry but if your idea is truly revolutionary, and large corporations can develop and sell your idea, they will do so. Your patent will not stop anyone. 

 

The company I work for (and most other reasonably large companies) has an entire department dedicated purely to patenting anything and everything that the engineers like myself do to our products. If you're not prepared to defend your patent against a company with seemingly unlimited legal resources, you will lose, even if you do have the legal rights to it. I'm sorry, but it is what it is. 

 

IMHO getting a patent on your own as a private entity is almost always a waste of time and money. 

[Razor Blade]

@AshleyAshes If there is a design or product then they could file for a patent. Otherwise not really sure how just an idea could be patented... that's the only reason I was suggesting copyright.

[NumLock21]

You're talking about nanotechnology and planes. Don't know what idea you have, but they already have something like this.

 

[dizmo]

@Real_PhillBert said pretty much exactly what I was thinking as I read through this. Don't bother, for his exact reasons. Plus unless you have very specific ideas, that are immediately actionable, it's not worth it. Not only that, lots of people patent something only to have someone alter it slightly, a lot of times in a better way, and sell more copies making yours obsolete. Or they manufacture it in China and sell it worldwide. There's so many shortfalls.

 

Not only that, stealed isn't a word. Something to consider before you go off trying to patent things.

[AntiTrust]

you could just get everyone to pinky swear they wont steal your idea

[Laniakea]

On 25.04.2018 at 10:26 PM, Real_PhillBert said:

I'm gonna be honest with you, and you wont like it; unless you're loaded, don't bother. 

 

Lets assume your idea is new, unpatented and groundbreaking; can you afford to get it patented? Figure between $10,000 and $20,000 to get a patent. And if you can afford to get it patented, can you afford to defend it when someone with virtually unlimited resources decides to build it anyway? If you answered either of the previous questions with "no," you shouldn't bother. I'm sorry but if your idea is truly revolutionary, and large corporations can develop and sell your idea, they will do so. Your patent will not stop anyone. 

 

The company I work for (and most other reasonably large companies) has an entire department dedicated purely to patenting anything and everything that the engineers like myself do to our products. If you're not prepared to defend your patent against a company with seemingly unlimited legal resources, you will lose, even if you do have the legal rights to it. I'm sorry, but it is what it is. 

 

IMHO getting a patent on your own as a private entity is almost always a waste of time and money. 

I agree with your opinion, yeah sady everything you said is true. But I mean then, I'm gonna say what can I do life is still going and smile 

On 26.04.2018 at 6:26 AM, NumLock21 said:

You're talking about nanotechnology and planes. Don't know what idea you have, but they already have something like this.

 

I purposely tried to pick unrelated words  It worked so, It doesn't have a fingerprint of my idea.

[Laniakea]

And one last question guys, what will happen if I make this idea into a funding project like indiegogo or kickstarter? 100% certainty that it will get stolen, I guess... How do I take off with little to no money? Not manufacturing, just research and development.

[Cole5]

8 minutes ago, LOLLIPOPSJSJSJ said:

And one last question guys, what will happen if I make this idea into a funding project like indiegogo or kickstarter? 100% certainty that it will get stolen, I guess... How do I take off with little to no money? Not manufacturing, just research and development.

You cant, if you have a great idea patent it and sell it, 

[dcgreen2k]

4 hours ago, LOLLIPOPSJSJSJ said:

And one last question guys, what will happen if I make this idea into a funding project like indiegogo or kickstarter? 100% certainty that it will get stolen, I guess... How do I take off with little to no money? Not manufacturing, just research and development.

Make sure your idea is good enough for people to spend money buying it, then put it on a crowdfunding website. I can guarantee that nobody is going to steal your idea. Finally, once you have enough money, how will you develop it? Since you're 16 years old, I'm positive that you don't have the required equipment to research and develop nanotechnology.

 

Also, stop worrying that someone will steal your idea as soon as you mention it and immediately make millions of dollars. This is the internet, where nobody gives a shit about what others do or think of.